Mostly the reasons seem to be around the belief it has become less powerful, empty and simply a routine so they feel it is losing its strength.
[Irrelevant point] to stop taking the knee
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If it were up to me he'd do community service along with a suspended jail sentence. Maybe 6 months
Because being a multimillionaire stops you hearing the n words, or seeing the monkey chants, or being hit by bananas, or being described by your athletic ability rather than your skill and game intelligence no matter how you play, or stops limiting your retirement prospects if you want to go into management?
The problem with trying to explain "white privilege" to people is its name. I guess it could be something like "person from the majority group's non-disadvantage" could work, but that's a bit wordy.
just say "Any of your obstacles, hardships and disadvantages in life are unlikely down to you being white"
Anything to be said for chemical castration?
Is Marcus Alonso the best person to decide that though?
It's symbolism vs logic for me. I've seen a hell of a lot of taking the knee but nothing about what's actually being done. Haven't Hungary been handed a measly 1 game ban for racially abusing England players?
I read in the Manchester United rule book this year that racial abuse is not even a lifetime ban. I think it was a few years. That's absolutely mental.
I read in the Manchester United rule book this year that racial abuse is not even a lifetime ban. I think it was a few years. That's absolutely mental.
But pointing to a badge isn't pointless?
not really. I mean I would like to know how he has come to that conclusion or what communities have told him this? Was it the London Spanish community?
Anyways he is probably bandwagonin off of black folks who have said the same like Zaha or Les Ferdinand.
Maybe he has dodgy knees and is trying to gain the physical upper hand
For himself, yeah
Is a man the best person to decide if our "anti violence against women" protests are losing their strength?
To determine his own opinion, yes. He isn't deciding for you or the FA, FFS. Why so insecure about someone else's choices? If he wants to point, he can. If someone else wants to sing a lullaby, they can.
It is pointless as well. Just stand up like Zaha and get on with the game.
To be honest I don't really care what he does. He can do nothing if he wants. He can also feel from his own personal experience that racism doesn't exist and isn't even a problem. its his own opinion I guess
Everything becomes more normalised and less impactful over time though, that doesn’t mean you just stop it and give up.
The fact people boo it is just mind-boggling. Until lifetime bans and/or heavy fines start getting handed out in meaningful amounts there is no real deterrent for these troglodytes.
depends on what the endgame was
That's great. And his comments say the opposite of the bolded bit.
I'm a spin doctor
Chelsea seem to have been involved with a few racism-related issues:
Terry & Ferdinand
Mikel & Clattenburg
Now Alonso & taking the knee
Terry & Ferdinand
Mikel & Clattenburg
Now Alonso & taking the knee
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You missed the biggest one - didnt they have a youth coach who used to bully and beat up young black players?
Shit you're right! Add that to the list of good deeds
He obviously thinks kneeling is a chore and he's done it enough now. Calling a cab when you've had a drink is obviously a chore too for him.
You can’t be serious?
It was Terry and Anton Ferdinand wasn't it?
Why wouldn't I be? You think he deserves any less?
Yes. Terry's defence being that, after getting caught on camera saying [obviously racist term], he said "no, I didn't call you a [obviously racist term]" after Ferdinand had apparently accused him of doing so.
Rio Ferdinand then actually got punished for racism for calling Ashley Cole "choc ice" for defending Terry. It also basically caused the end of Rio's England career as he refused to share a dressing room with Terry until he apologised.
Ah totally right, mixed the Suarez & Terry situations up!
No, but equally he isn't obliged to do it. If he chooses to do it or not is his personal choice. I mean, what is the point of people doing a gesture if they do not believe in it and/or do not want to do it? All that is going to do is breed resentment because if he is a racist (not saying he is) making him take the knee isn't going to change his mind as they only way you do that is through open debate and education.
Additionally, I am finding this thread quite peculiar as it is not as if he is the first person to break away from it as both Zaha and Toney have stated themselves that they aren't fans of it. Zaha in particular made some pertinent points about how going down this route is counter to his upbringing in being told to stand tall and be proud to be black; whilst doing so also makes him feel like he is putting a target on his back. Is this really what we want people to feel like?
Personally, with the way some people are carrying on it reminds me very much of my reading of history on Puritan England where if anyone decided to question any Church doctrine they were labelled a hectic and hounded (or worse.)
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Are you talking about Alonso? You think he should get a 6 month sentence for not taking the knee? If so, of course he should get less. There should be no punishment. It’s a matter of choice. Your stance is along the lines of what you might find in North Korea, where people get locked up for not performing gestures. You seem a bit tapped, to be honest.Why wouldn't I be? You think he deserves any less?
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It was perfectly valid for Zaha to decline for personal reasons. For him to say it's degrading goes beyond personal opinion, and makes him sound ignorant about the issues at hand that drove many of his peers to take the knee.
It was perfectly valid for Zaha to decline for personal reasons. For him to say it's degrading goes beyond personal opinion, and makes him sound ignorant about the issues at hand that drove many of his peers to take the knee.
You're insane.
Oi, Alonso, if you don't keep performing the anti-abuse gesture we approve of, we'll give you tons of abuse.
100% on the money.
Look Alonso shouldnt even be fecking playing football right now he should be locked up or finishing his sentence for manslaughter in Spain.
He's not pointing to the Chelsea's badge, if that's what you meant. But to his sleeve with anti-racism slogan.
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I don't think he is ignorant of the issues at hand. I think he is aware that from his perspective the issues at hand will be unaffected by taking a knee and that it is essentially an effort to "do the least" whilst giving themselves (footballers and footballing bodies) a big pat on the back. The phrase "conversations do not equal closed sales." Its like being at work thinking you are doing a lot but you are just a busy fool. Essentially doing a whole lotta nothing. I believe this is what he thinks.
That's the crux of it.
No. I meant the "No room for racism" badge.