I think he'll replace them both as neither of them are anywhere near to United's level. However I do believe that we'll have a change of system. We're really relying on individual talent. That's basically Ole ball in a nutshell.
We are an awfully coached team
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Exactly. We need a coach and Ole isnt a good enough one.
I use this analogy to all of Ole defenders. It doesnt matter if the car could fly or shoot rockets if the driver is still a truck driver. He still doesnt know what to do with it
Too true but the yankee leeches clearly don't give a shit about how poorly we are playing every week, they just want top 4 money and absolutely nothing else matters at all so we are stuck with this situation
How long will Ronaldo stand for this I wonder?
Chelsea fans wanted to keep Lampard depsite Tuchel being a better manager.
Despite him being being a shit manager he's probably done better than I thought he would but he's reached the end of his tenure this nonsense can't continue.
Ole has to go now. No point prolonging this. Season is still early to salvage something
Ole is clueless, incompetent and flat out a terrible manager.
Ole is clueless, incompetent and flat out a terrible manager.
Spot on.
The majority of this thread is just tiresome knee-jerk stuff from people who've already decided which side of the black-and-white Ole In/Out "debate" they're on, and the loudest ones on each side pop up after every game depending on whether we win or not.
Always enjoy your posts in the midst of all of it, even when the more rabid ones on either side (thinking of that Jezpeza character with his "patterns of play are a made up thing and you're an expert in clueless guff" shite from last week here) are piling on.
Just getting by through individual brilliance. If Pep or Tuchel had this squad we would win the league.
You just dont know which united will turn up. We can win by four and then drop points.
You just dont know which united will turn up. We can win by four and then drop points.
No plan B as always. 4231 with two defensive midfielders at home is beyond a joke. Tactically inept. Does Ole know there are other formations besides 4231
every one keeps saying that but is it true? I followed Arsenal and AC Milan when they were in that situation and managers stuck with these sort of owners tend to focus on balancing the books rather then actually winning. I remember Berlusconi going on live TV stating that Kaka won't be sold only for Milan to sell him few weeks later. Leonardo was quite happy with that crap show. On the other hand there's barely any toy Ole wanted that it wasn't given to him. Till the time of writing he had spent around 200m in defense alone. Ole is proven to be a quite expensive top 4 manager.
If you ask me, Ole is kept because he constantly hit the minimum requirements and he's popular with the fans. The latter is a huge issue with the Glazers who know that they are hated by the majority of fans. The moment the United supporters turn against Ole then he'll be a goner.
But Varane said Ole pays a lot of attention to coaching and the sessions are very detailed, so it's all good.
Actually whenever we play shite game this tiny clip will convince me I'm absolutely wrong and there's no problem with our coaching. We wouldn't see this bit of play otherwise.
He hasnt got a clue, he and the Wumminator are just wind-ups not interested in any sort of honest discussion.
Does the club have a personal development policy for the staff? Perhaps we could use some budget to set Ole up to do some coaching lessons.
Anyone who claims our approach, style of play and tactical outlook isn’t: ‘hope Bruno has a good game’ is lying to your face.
He already has his badges mate!
This is what surprises and annoys me. When he first came he played 433. He made some tactical changes in big games too. Away at PSG the first time playing 442. Playing a false 9 and split strikers against Liverpool. Playing wing backs a couple times too. The kind of tweaks and adjustments you'd expect a good manager to make, and most of his decisions worked.
Now, there just isn't a plan B at all. It's repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
I'm trying to think - can we find any player (apart from Luke Shaw and his crossing) that has specifically improved under Ole? I don't mean the likes of Greenwood who is progressing with his natural talent levels, but anyone who Ole (and by extension our coaching team) has specifically improved as a player?
We shouldn't obsess about a low block.
At times today Villa were pressing high up the pitch.In one incident they had 4 players pressing our RB.
It was quite an open game in my opinion. We just can't break teams down.
We have virtually no crosses coming in from the right flank. AWB is worrying me and I'm not sure Sancho is proving to be the answer either.
DDG is turning into a blame merchant and I've got to be honest so is Bruno. Bruno be causing us issues. His amazing start to his United career seems to make him AND our tactics untouchable
Pogba is a luxury player who might be able to embelish a top side who are already firing on all cylinders.
McFred.....frustrate me also but they are what they are. They are limited in their abilities and if they keep getting picked then is that their fault or the managers?
I guess Fred but he's still very poor, Rashford went a level up. That's it probably, maybe McTominay.
I won't get to watch the full thing, but I'll see it on MOTD. Funnily enough, when I was keeping an eye on the score, I thought it looked like we were doing ok purely from a stats POV. However, I had a few mates who were watching it, saying we were fairly poor in the group chat. Still a very poor result when a win was needed.
Yeah to be fair we had a lot of space in the first 20 and should have done more. After that, I just felt that in the periods of short dominance in possession, the lack of ideas in breaking down a defence is just so tiring to watch. In the end, we mostly resort to hammering in a hopeful cross but apart from Shaw, nobody can properly cross a ball!!
If I were Ronaldo, I'd be fuming at the quality of the crosses in this team considering he's one of the best in the air. No Shaw, no magic.
The Spur 6-1 defeat changed him. From there he has stuck with 4231 without blinking
As I’m sure many people have said much better, I’d be a lot more amenable to Ole - who undeniably has his benefits - if I felt he had the fortitude and sense to surround himself with a coaching set up that could cover for his inadequacies… if he’s basing himself on SAF (which we have every reason to believe he is) he’d surely be aware that Fergie had 4 or 5 different coaches in his time, each helping to provide an entirely different tactical approach in each of his successful eras (the Queiros assisted 08 side shared very little with the Kidd or McClaren sides, for example)….
But as is, he somehow seems gormlessly satisfied with a rag tag crew of Carrick & McKenna - both of whom seem to have been here during numerous disastrous regimes without any reprecusion - as well as Mike “big balloon” Phelan, who aside from simply being the last Fergie appointee that wasn’t currently doing anything, was also inadvertently (though probably not) coach during the Fergie era with the least attractive football….Whose last success was based entirely on buying Van Persie and telling everyone to pass to him!
All of which makes me a lot more pessimistic about “the plan” than I would be if I genuinely felt the issue was JUST Ole
in short, I’d be more than happy to keep Ole if I could be confident he could seek out a modern progressive coaching set up… but my biggest concern is that he seems more than happy to continue with the whole “jobs for the boys” bullshit that did for the Liverpool boot room in the 90s, out of sheer loyalty and misguided altruism
But as is, he somehow seems gormlessly satisfied with a rag tag crew of Carrick & McKenna - both of whom seem to have been here during numerous disastrous regimes without any reprecusion - as well as Mike “big balloon” Phelan, who aside from simply being the last Fergie appointee that wasn’t currently doing anything, was also inadvertently (though probably not) coach during the Fergie era with the least attractive football….Whose last success was based entirely on buying Van Persie and telling everyone to pass to him!
All of which makes me a lot more pessimistic about “the plan” than I would be if I genuinely felt the issue was JUST Ole
in short, I’d be more than happy to keep Ole if I could be confident he could seek out a modern progressive coaching set up… but my biggest concern is that he seems more than happy to continue with the whole “jobs for the boys” bullshit that did for the Liverpool boot room in the 90s, out of sheer loyalty and misguided altruism
This! He seemed more progressive when he first came. Now he just seems to have a set way of setting the team up, which isn't working unless his players pull a rabbit out of the hat.
I'm convinced that Ole just throws the players out there in a formation and hopes for the best.
What low block? Villa didn't even play a low block. We're just crap against almost everyone.
That's exactly what he does. We don't play with any purpose. We've now got Sancho looking like he's joining VDB on the 'players Ole doesn't know what to do with' list. There'll be others. He's here because he once reminded everyone of the past when being reminded of the past was something that we needed to make ourselves feel better. The beginning, middle and end of the list of qualifications he has for the job he holds.
I've been looking back, and I remember having these same debates back in 2019. Back then the narrative was ''Pipe down, give him a few transfer windows to bring in his own players''.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/appointing-solskjaer-was-a-mistake.446742/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/why-are-we-dropping-the-standards-for-ole.450451/
Apr 21, 2019:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/appointing-solskjaer-was-a-mistake.446742/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/why-are-we-dropping-the-standards-for-ole.450451/
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Sept 9, 2019:
Nov 29th, 2019:
Insane that we're still having this same conversation pointing out the same stuff in 2021.
It's not just about Villa today. My frustration is built up over 8 years.
But yes, it did stick out to me today (again) that we have a lack of ideas when they pile the defenders in the box to keep everything tight and restrict us to long shots. I'm sure we're not the only team that faces this, but we have no idea what to do, except to shoot wildly even more.
We had 55 shots in the last two games, with the amount of actual goal threat generated by that a fraction of what it should have been. 10 shots on target, 21 blocked, 24 off target. That tells you we shouldn't have been taking shots from those positions but instead working the ball to better positions. Which other teams learn to do through, you guessed it, coaching.
That's pretty much exactly how I see it as well. Ole does seem to be a good man manager who has done well (although not perfect) with the team-building, as we obviously have a much better squad now than we did with the previous couple of managers. But the actual coaching of the team with patterns of play and players knowing when and where to move...that's not good at all and doesn't seem to be improving. Ole may not be playing a big role in working on those things in training himself, but it's ultimately up to him to ensure the coaching staff does the necessary work.
I never wanted him employed in first place. That post-Jose, feel good, 'sounds of the 90s' run he had immediately after Mourinho went was probably, in hindsight, the worst thing to happen to us.
If that run of games didn't go so well there's not a chance in hell he'd have been given the job on a permanent basis.
I think Ole has said himself it was McKenna and Carrick during the 4-3-3 run, he implemented his own formation later.
When teams used to do this to us during 06-13 I used to feel like our forwards were under instructions to try and win free kicks right around the box.It's not just about Villa today. My frustration is built up over 8 years.
But yes, it did stick out to me today (again) that we have a lack of ideas when they pile the defenders in the box to keep everything tight and restrict us to long shots. I'm sure we're not the only team that faces this, but we have no idea what to do, except to shoot wildly even more.
No idea if that’s true; I’d be interested to see if stats would support the idea.
Lots forget where we were and how we felt before Ole became manager and built this team
As much as I don't rate Ole, it would be unfair to sack him at this stage in the season. We have made our bed, now we have to lie in it.
That sums it up perfectly.
We do seem to be repeating every mistake from the 90s Liverpool playbook.
Yeah, we finished second the season before. Ridiculously people were suggesting that was a reason why we should stick with a manager when it became clear he wasnt up to the job.
Morons, huh?