He wasnt ready for Cardiff but ready for ManUnited
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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He doesn't has the fund he want to build the team, look at Man City getting a player for 100 million. You can not blame him or compare him with crazy spending Man City or Chelsea.
Feels like the wheels are falling off for him. The biggest issue isn't the results it's the performances. United never seem to gather momentum under Solskjaer. That's the biggest issue, that's why he's record is also poor in KO competitions.
I don’t see Utd ever winning the Prem with Ole In charge.
Doubt he'll last to Christmas. He's not improved us much at all. He's had enough time and been backed enough. He needs to take responsibility for his failure I think.
There was a thread about our expectations before the season started. I remember writing that I only expected consistency, that's it. Season has just started and I've already seen as many fantastic performances as absymal. There are big problems and It's not the squad, so what is it?
No way. It is the referee or VAR's fault every time.
I think he will. Unfortunately for Oleout fans he's not as bad they make him out to be. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets results against City and Liverpool in a few weeks and the coaching change noise quiets down. But his teams have a patterns of having a couple games of bad performance then there's a resurgence usually against a good team then they go on a run of good form, then suddenly it resets back to phase 1 of poor performances. We will probably make top 4 but this won't be good enough for the EPL or UCL. But if the fanbase is still divided over him, I could see the Glazers bringing him back for another season. At there's a huge sections of fans who would back him if that was the result which gives the Glazers cover. UTD are stuck in a purgatory because he just never gets bad enough for a clear majority of fans to turn on him
Where are these top class coaches that OGS could get then? What’s stopping said top class coaches asking us why not just make them the head coach? I don’t think OGS has the allure like Sir Alex had, like he can just pull in Walter Smith on a temporary basis or even Carlos Queiroz twice. OGS has chosen his coaches and I can’t see him changing them unless they leave.
We seem to have reached familiar territory again with him being on the verge of being sacked, ahead of some tough games. In the past what followed is good results out of absolutely nowhere.
Villarreal is a must win. Even a draw doesn’t do him any favours in my opinion.
We seem to have reached familiar territory again with him being on the verge of being sacked, ahead of some tough games. In the past what followed is good results out of absolutely nowhere.
Villarreal is a must win. Even a draw doesn’t do him any favours in my opinion.
Our midfield were overrun for a long period in second half and he did nothing to fix it other then relying on counter attacks. Ya, we lost Shaw and Maguire but we are at home for god sake and why can't we be more adventurous and not stick to the McFred double pivot from the start? The line-up is so predictable now. So easy for the opposition manager to set their game plan.
Really hope it happens again cause we can't afford to fall behind already.
Has to happen quickly. On paper we have some of the best players in the world but right now are constantly getting outplayed by mid-table teams.
If we are out of contention for the title and CL come end of November, he should be sacked. I hope we're earmarking potential replacements in case we fall out.
Or losing to City at home, failing to register a single shot.
Solid proof of someone totally out of their depth.
Errm yeah, of course. Are Liverpool fans sucking brentford off or something? Do you realise your post doesn't make much sense?
Ole under pressure , tough run of games, knives out, everyone calling Ole Out - this is exactly the time ole gets wins in a row
Don't forget, we were lucky to against Wolves too, an absolute shocking performance that day!!
I think a formation change might be needed, right now I simply hate this 4231 formation.
Drop Bruno?
He is literally the hear beat of the team. Anything positive usually comes from him.
Conveniently ignoring the fact that Liverpool's manager has already achieved greatness for them. This place
Sure it would.
But they have Klopp. Someone who's won the league and CL.
We have Ole. It's not the same at all.
Of course there will be more question marks on Ole than Klopp.
The difference is that these managers have a huge credit to their name via the success they've achieved. Same reason why SAF was given time when he first came here. Ole has zero credit whatsoever. Nobody is arguing about the occasional bad performance, every team in the world has those. But with us it is not a single bad performances, it's a plethora. In fact, a good performance from us is something out of the extraordianry. Even when we win we look unconvincing.
People such as yourself loved to harp about Pep's last week draw with Southampton. But the reality is we all knew that it was an one-off and City would come back and dominate teams because they have a quality manager that actually knows what he is doing. And we've seen that against Chelsea yesterday. And we're going to continue to see it so long as he remains there. Klopp may draw against Brentford today, but you know he is going to continue smashing team tomorrow, the week after, the month after, etc. With us... well, it's the opposite. We know that we're going to continue to be shit and no miracle is going to happen that is gonna make us play better with Ole at the wheel. And yes, we're gonna win most of our games because of the quality of the team, but we're never going to be convincing. At no point have we looked convincing in our games apart from the Leeds game. Even when we win it is in such laboured manner that it really takes the joy out of the win itself.
People like to moan about Mourinho's bad football, but Solskjaer's football is just the same. We're negative, we don't produce good movement or attackign quality and the Young Boys game was all you need to know about Ole as a manager, tbh. He's not fit to be United's manager and no talk of "United's way" is ever going to change that. The only United way I know of is winning with dazzling football on display
It's like saying we had never let a lead against smaller teams go in vain under Sir Alex. Point they are missing is that most of the people understood then that SAF will turn it around and it's just a blip. We have seen Klopp turn it around in last 3 years.Conveniently ignoring the fact that Liverpool's manager has already achieved greatness for them. This place
With Ole it seems like a normal occasion rather than a blip. It's amazing how people look at result with their pre conceived bias and just flat out ignore how bad we have been this season
I still maintain we were stupid to hand him a long term contract when he was caretaker after Jose retired. We had a plan to use that interim period and the summer to find a suitable manager. But after the PSG result we jumped the fecking gun and gave it to him full time! File this along with the other numerous mistakes this club has made since fergie left. A fecking shit show!
Here we are, 3 years later, no discernible pattern of play, a complete failure in Europe, a defense incapable of keeping a clean sheet (this despite spending 50m on a fullback, 80m on a CB and 40m on a world class cb), playing two CDMs at home, poor in game management and quite frankly looking so out of his depth.
All the hype, the euphoria this summer after our summer signings, all gone! We will not win anything with him and I feel it will be another season wasted yet again. Our stupid and incompetent board will not get rid of him until it's too late! I honestly don't know where we go from here...I just cannot take another failure in the CL and be in the dreaded EL, cheering on city to win the league over Liverpool. Dear god I miss the times under Fergie
Here we are, 3 years later, no discernible pattern of play, a complete failure in Europe, a defense incapable of keeping a clean sheet (this despite spending 50m on a fullback, 80m on a CB and 40m on a world class cb), playing two CDMs at home, poor in game management and quite frankly looking so out of his depth.
All the hype, the euphoria this summer after our summer signings, all gone! We will not win anything with him and I feel it will be another season wasted yet again. Our stupid and incompetent board will not get rid of him until it's too late! I honestly don't know where we go from here...I just cannot take another failure in the CL and be in the dreaded EL, cheering on city to win the league over Liverpool. Dear god I miss the times under Fergie
Football is sex. You can have the proper tools but if you dont know how to use them they dont add anything. You can have a passionate sex but if you dont have a proper technique then its a disaster waiting to happen.
He will get sacked eventually but it will be a long painful process. Utd supporters just need to accept that. I really hope that Utd appoint someone decisive when Woodward departs. I think that could make a big difference. Maybe they should employ two, one for commercial and one for football.I still maintain we were stupid to hand him a long term contract when he was caretaker after Jose retired. We had a plan to use that interim period and the summer to find a suitable manager. But after the PSG result we jumped the fecking gun and gave it to him full time! File this along with the other numerous mistakes this club has made since fergie left. A fecking shit show!
Here we are, 3 years later, no discernible pattern of play, a complete failure in Europe, a defense incapable of keeping a clean sheet (this despite spending 50m on a fullback, 80m on a CB and 40m on a world class cb), playing two CDMs at home, poor in game management and quite frankly looking so out of his depth.
All the hype, the euphoria this summer after our summer signings, all gone! We will not win anything with him and I feel it will be another season wasted yet again. Our stupid and incompetent board will not get rid of him until it's too late! I honestly don't know where we go from here...I just cannot take another failure in the CL and be in the dreaded EL, cheering on city to win the leagueep over Liverpool. Dear god I miss the times under Fergie
Really bad result for him yesterday. Three losses in four is a bad run of form and if it doesn’t stop almost immediately it’s gonna create a really negative atmosphere.
The amount this has to be repeated on this forum is amazing really. The shocking inability of so many to comprehend why a manager with credit in the bank gets more leeway than one who has none. That there's an indelible difference between someone who has guided teams to Prem and CL titles and someone who spent £300m in the transfer market to achieve 74 points in the league and embarrassment in Europe.
Right up there with the "we can't hire any more experienced or decorated managers because LVG and Mourinho failed" drivel that is fed out on an endless loop by some people.
So your saying Ole should win every game until he wins the PL or CL? No leeway until then? And should dominate every team, every game?
He's done well to get us back to a respectable position but I think he's taken us as far as he can. Bring in Conte in the summer (earlier if we fail to get out of the CL greoup stage or look like we won't make top 4).
I could see things going sour for a lot of Ole defenders (in fact I'm already seeing a slight shift among so-called influential fans on social media after yesterday) if we lose on Wednesday. But the likelihood of this happening is close to zero, because in typical Ole fashion we'll probably win and play well and everything is rosy again. Rinse and repeat.
Klopp done that 2-3 seasons ago, Pep have been constantly doing that since he joined city except his first season.. If we want to compete with that (for the trophy) then yes, that’s what we should want.. but, the majority of the fans don’t even want that kind of dominance, we just need to see improvements and more competence, and not to rely to moments of magic every other match.
It's not so much 'Ole fashion' as it is that our team is just stacked with good/great players. The quality in the team will ensure that we won't really ever totally capitulate and lose 10 in a row. When the players rise to the occasion or are on song for a bit, we generally pick up wins. They've got their own professional pride too and wouldn't want to keep losing. We've seen this pattern repeat itself so much over the past 3 years that I truly believe it's just how the players react to losses and setbacks, independent of whatever contribution Ole and his coaches have. For better or for worse, this also ensures that we will be there or thereabouts Top 4 at the end of the season, locking in our Championship-quality manager for yet another year.
Almost 3 years and we still don't know what style we are good at apart from counter attacking. If that is not an indictment of the manager, then might as well give him a 10 year contract and let him complete the transition to us being the new Arsenal (the one which was under Wenger's final years).
Top 4 with some cup runs but no trophies or playing style. The genius of some of our players will always bail him enough for us to stay in contention for top 4.
Top 4 with some cup runs but no trophies or playing style. The genius of some of our players will always bail him enough for us to stay in contention for top 4.
After 4 seasons and spending 300mn he should have won something even if you excuse the lack of trophies, we should be winning and dominating most games given the teams we have faced.
Yet this season barring Newcastle and leeds we haven't looked great. That's 2 decent games out of 8 played, there's only some much leeway for a manager who keeps spending big money on players while failing to even win mickey mouse trophies.
So what is you point? You would rather we lose on Wednesday?
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Bang head on wall.
So you are saying we should not question Ole, maybe until we are in relegation zone? And lose to every team in every game?
See how irritating it is when you craft a strawman argument.
He's clueless, the young boys debacle was the last straw for me, never seen such a cowardly, inept response to a red card. The performance and results since then dont do him any favours.
He needs to go at the end of this season, done a great job at rebuilding but that's his ceiling, he probably knows it as well.
His comment is what annoys me, this whataboutism.... yes, another club did not get the result they wanted, so we should be happy we lost at home to Villa.
It is not even the result, it is the problems that we have and Ole can't solve them as he's not a very good manager. Some people just can't seem to realize that and rather close their eyes
He does not seem to be the reflective kind of guy
You have no fecking shame, this type of spin Ty would be proud of, imagine thinking reaction would be the same.
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