I've seen this floating around in this forum and it's irked me greatly.It is just sad but mainly because United fans have seen two technical managers failed one after another. And things seemed to improve a bit under Ole, who tries miserably to copy Sir Alex's style. Sir Alex was never a technical genius. He has a naturally gifted charismatic personality. So even when he just said, lads, it's Tottenham. It made mattered, players were ready to go through brick walls for him. Most United fans have grown up watching this and think this could work with Ole too since he is a United legend. But sadly things don't work that way.
When Ole goes, and we fall back into the rat race to the bottom we were on before he came in, perhaps he'll get some credit for the work he's done here.I almost lost it earlier this week, several posters suggested that he should take the DOF job, as if Murtough didn't exist.
See ? That's basically it for you, no matter how many names we suggest you and others will just invent any excuse for him to not be good enough for United job, he plays defensive football, he's short term, he falls with the squad, he has limitation, he has a hair transplantation..etc. Just any excuses to stick with Ole.United fans aren't oblivious to the importance of good managers. Most of us spent 30 years watching the greatest manager of all time lead our club.
We also watched 3 different types of managers come in and fail, each leaving the club in a shit state behind them. Two of those were world renowned, successful managers whose resumes piss all over half the flavour of the month options half the people in this thread would have us replace Ole with.
If there was a bona fide Klopp or Pep available to us right now, I doubt there's a United fan alive who would be too upset at us bringing him in. But who is that?
We could hire Conte, have him come in and play 5 at the back playing 2 of Ronaldo, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard and Martial every week. We could watch him fall out with everyone at the club over the next 2 seasons, possibly winning a title while doing so, before flouncing and leaving a holy show behind him.
We could hire Zidane, ignoring the fact that many Madrid fans would suggest he has many of the same tactical limitations as Ole, and when he went through a poor patch after a few months, we'd have the same genius Monday morning quarterbacks in here, shitting all over the club and crying about how bad an appointment he was.
Or we could hire Pochettinho, the Emperor without any clothes, who managed to come second with a Billion pound squad in a league full of clubs who would struggle to win League 2.
Find the world class manager who is interested in building something proper at United, and most of us would welcome a move upstairs for Ole and a new technician in the dugout. Until that happens, shut the feck up and support the manager and the club.
The only periods of success in the club's history have come off the back of a long term approach.United fans are bred to stick with the manager. That works when the manager is good.
Unfortunately we've currently got a manager that can't get half a tune from a world class squad/guitar.
Tuchel rests the same amount of players and is 1.0 up in 9 mins. Chelsea will win handsomely.
United should have lost today.
It also doesn't help when forums like these are censored so much. Content from anyone with an opposing or critical view is deleted or threads locked.
Free speech and all that....
It’s quite tiresome when people highlight one fixture as a barometer. Utd dropping points away to Southampton is ok in isolation. It’s not ok if it’s part of a run that includes losing to Young Boys, West Ham, Aston Villa and then drawing with Everton.Chelsea comparisons going well then
The club was a shit state under the 3 of them. Press leaks, disharmony, no joined up thinking in terms of recruitment or player development. There entire atmosphere at the club is lightyears ahead under Ole.See ? That's basically it for you, no matter how many names we suggest you and others will just invent any excuse for him to not be good enough for United job, he plays defensive football, he's short term, he falls with the squad, he has limitation, he has a hair transplantation..etc. Just any excuses to stick with Ole.
Ridiculous to assume that since Klopp or Pep isn't available we can't do better than what we have.
You can support the manager if you like him but you have no business to tell others to shut up and do like you. Ole isn't good enough to be a manager for United. I'll take Conte 100%. I'll take Zidane 100%. This is it, this is my opinion and many others. It's not your job to tell us to "shut the feck up".
And for the record I hope you were also supporting Mourinho, LVG and Moyes, otherwise it's pure hypocrisy what I'm reading here.
I know we've been shit, I'm just not sure why Chelsea are being heralded as if they're storming past every team 4-0.It’s quite tiresome when people highlight one fixture as a barometer. Utd dropping points away to Southampton is ok in isolation. It’s not ok if it’s part of a run that includes losing to Young Boys, West Ham, Aston Villa and then drawing with Everton.
That's bollocks. Looking at football as a whole, SAF was the exception, not the rule. We will probably never see his like again, and it certainly isn't Ole. You forget SAF had already broken the dominance of Celtic and Rangers before coming to us.The only periods of success in the club's history have come off the back of a long term approach.
We burned through 3 supposedly top Managers in 7 years - I for one am not keen to repeat that.
Well i'm glad others did forum or not, and we progressed after Jose. Pressure from fans can help a club to make decisive decisions which can (sometimes not) make a team go forward.You’re right, I disliked Jose but never once did I become a little brat on a forum calling for his head.
If you're choosing the manager to support and not the others because you thought they were shit, people also have the right to not support the current manager because they think he's not good enough. You can't come and tell us "shut the feck up and support the manager and the club". Why are you even pairing the manager with the club in one sentence ? We ARE supporting the club. Managers come and go and I have the right to not support him when I think he's not good for us and we deserve better.The club was a shit state under the 3 of them. Press leaks, disharmony, no joined up thinking in terms of recruitment or player development. There entire atmosphere at the club is lightyears ahead under Ole.
Have whatever opinion you like - I've never once criticised anyone for not thinking Ole is good enough. It's the idiots who choose to belittle and mock him, who refuse to acknowledge the good he has done and who can't ever ignore an opportunity to have a cut off him or the club that I can't stand.
3 top managers? Are you counting moyes? Mourinho came off his worst season ever and van gaal was past it too. We've missed out on top managers in their prime.The only periods of success in the club's history have come off the back of a long term approach.
We burned through 3 supposedly top Managers in 7 years - I for one am not keen to repeat that.
What are you on about? Ole can get all the credit that he deserves without someone thinking that he is supposed to become a DOF or that he hasn't reached his limits.When Ole goes, and we fall back into the rat race to the bottom we were on before he came in, perhaps he'll get some credit for the work he's done here.
Moyes couldn't do it. Van Gaal couldn't do it. Mourinho couldn't do it. But all the keyboard geniuses would have us believe the answer to our problems is the next name off the block.
Too many fans either can't or won't see that the football side of our club isn't run as well as clubs like Bayern or Chelsea. Short term appointments that rip up the playbook and start from scratch don't work here. In fact, they cause more harm than good.
We have a manager who at the very least, holds the best interests of the club above his own. He's established us in a much stronger position than any of the 3 who proceeded him did, and he has installed an infinitely healthier and happier culture in the squad and at the club.
Yeah I'm with you.If there’s one club I wouldn’t want to become like, it’s Chelsea.
I agree with this, I have been Ole in all the way because he is doing the right things for us in terms of culture, patience in getting in the right players etc, but I always reserved judgement on whether he is the right manager to actually make it all work when we got a good squad together, so far this season from what I have seen he is not, the performance against villareal was the most concerning (even though we won) the importance of the match can not be understated and yet we stood off them let them run through us and could have been 0-4 down at ht, slow, unimaginative and unfocused in attack, there is a lack of clever movement and we move the ball far too slow. They are a competent side villareal but they are playing greater than the sum or their parts, we needed to get into them early on high octance, press the feck out of them, get the crowd up and make them crumble in the cauldron but none of that happened, I have no doubt that is what he wanted he has said it often enough but it appears his management style is not able to regularly motivate the players to produce, but going back to your post, I would rather keep Ole here than bring in another blinkered egotist who wants it his way or the highway and undo all Ole's good work, having said that the club need to identify the right candidate and latch onto him, if he is not available right now, let him know they will wait for him by continuing as we are but they need to be ready to pounce and be willing to cut loose the current manager at whatever time of the season it is, they are extremely loyal the club to their credit and detriment, but they need get this handover correct as they fecked up the SAF transition and we see what that meant.United fans aren't oblivious to the importance of good managers. Most of us spent 30 years watching the greatest manager of all time lead our club.
We also watched 3 different types of managers come in and fail, each leaving the club in a shit state behind them. Two of those were world renowned, successful managers whose resumes piss all over half the flavour of the month options half the people in this thread would have us replace Ole with.
If there was a bona fide Klopp or Pep available to us right now, I doubt there's a United fan alive who would be too upset at us bringing him in. But who is that?
We could hire Conte, have him come in and play 5 at the back playing 2 of Ronaldo, Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford, Sancho, Lingard and Martial every week. We could watch him fall out with everyone at the club over the next 2 seasons, possibly winning a title while doing so, before flouncing and leaving a holy show behind him.
We could hire Zidane, ignoring the fact that many Madrid fans would suggest he has many of the same tactical limitations as Ole, and when he went through a poor patch after a few months, we'd have the same genius Monday morning quarterbacks in here, shitting all over the club and crying about how bad an appointment he was.
Or we could hire Pochettinho, the Emperor without any clothes, who managed to come second with a Billion pound squad in a league full of clubs who would struggle to win League 2.
Find the world class manager who is interested in building something proper at United, and most of us would welcome a move upstairs for Ole and a new technician in the dugout. Until that happens, shut the feck up and support the manager and the club.
Awful comment, top red meme aside.When Ole goes, and we fall back into the rat race to the bottom we were on before he came in, perhaps he'll get some credit for the work he's done here.
Moyes couldn't do it. Van Gaal couldn't do it. Mourinho couldn't do it. But all the keyboard geniuses would have us believe the answer to our problems is the next name off the block.
Too many fans either can't or won't see that the football side of our club isn't run as well as clubs like Bayern or Chelsea. Short term appointments that rip up the playbook and start from scratch don't work here. In fact, they cause more harm than good.
We have a manager who at the very least, holds the best interests of the club above his own. He's established us in a much stronger position than any of the 3 who proceeded him did, and he has installed an infinitely healthier and happier culture in the squad and at the club.
Guess you should have waited till their match ended to post such pointless comment.Chelsea comparisons going well then
Don’t think anywhere is questioning what Ole has done as a manager for us over the past 2.5 years and he must be given credit. But this is not a black and white analysis which you want it so much to be. The club ownership as loathsome as they are have backed him the past two summers. He has gotten basically what he wanted with world class talent. Truly world class. Is it wrong to scrutinise Ole when it is plainly obvious that this tactical acumen, in game management and substitution patterns have paled in comparison versus other top managers this year? I have no problem with supporting the manager but the thing that is worry for Ole that he is running out of excuses. A team with this much talent cannot be performing so poorly.When Ole goes, and we fall back into the rat race to the bottom we were on before he came in, perhaps he'll get some credit for the work he's done here.
Moyes couldn't do it. Van Gaal couldn't do it. Mourinho couldn't do it. But all the keyboard geniuses would have us believe the answer to our problems is the next name off the block.
Too many fans either can't or won't see that the football side of our club isn't run as well as clubs like Bayern or Chelsea. Short term appointments that rip up the playbook and start from scratch don't work here. In fact, they cause more harm than good.
We have a manager who at the very least, holds the best interests of the club above his own. He's established us in a much stronger position than any of the 3 who proceeded him did, and he has installed an infinitely healthier and happier culture in the squad and at the club.
If it's not the way forward, then why have they been far more successful than us in the past 8 years?"why aren't we more like Chelsea?" the thread
Even if you don't support Ole, having a managerial merry go round isn't the way forward. Chelsea just make it look so.
I pretty much made the same comment to this guy. Ole has got to stop playing favourites.Awful comment, top red meme aside.
New managers (including the ones we hired) didn't get to spend 200M to buy different players to support their vision. They got that money because every top club spends that money in today's era. It's not just us that does it, every single club spends money when they hire a new manager. Obviously certain managers play certain ways but this myth that a manager needs a team exactly suited to his playstyle before he can be considered good/bad is pathetic. Look at the players we have bought, City (who probably have the most specific way of playing in world football) were interested in almost all the players we have bought. These players weren't brought in for Ole, they were brought in because they are good and have value to a club.
Your second point, I'd take Mourinho's time here over Ole any day of the week. At least we won stuff. If he wasn't trying to be fired like the narcissist he was, we would have finished top 4 again. Not to mention he spent way less than Ole and won. Yes, the players seems happier now, but as a fan I don't really care. I don't care that they all go post heart emojis on a pathetic instagram post after a missed penalty (note I don't care about the missed penalty, shit happens, but the reaction post game was peak weak mentality) and seem to all smile all the time. I'd rather the manager challenge the players. Just look at how complacently they play. Fred is still getting games.
And the best part is that we are talking about Man Utd. Club who had best manager in history and who did great things with having some average players in squad.It has always irked me that some United fans refuse to believe that managers have levels just like players and you simply can't win with average manager who has no plan and tactical nous. We've seen the likes of Klopp, Pep etc. build teams that play identically dominating brands of football across multiple leagues. It's as if they have some sort of formula, a secret recipe that if given time and adequate resources will definitely result in successful teams that dominate games and win silverware. Why are some United fans and the board completely oblivious to this?
All top clubs work like that. IT is a way forward."why aren't we more like Chelsea?" the thread
Even if you don't support Ole, having a managerial merry go round isn't the way forward. Chelsea just make it look so.
Leicester have arguably been more successful than us too, but they aren't the example to look to nor or Chelsea. Liverpool and City are probably better examples and they don't sack their managers over nothing.If it's not the way forward, then why have they been far more successful than us in the past 8 years?
So LvG & Mourinho won trophies and Ole hasn't in a longer time than either of them were given but somehow he's established a much stronger position. Happier culture? Clock is ticking on that one. More & more discontent is starting to appear & our squad is losing patience. All hell will break loose this season and this mythical harmony will be gone if he's allowed to see out the season.When Ole goes, and we fall back into the rat race to the bottom we were on before he came in, perhaps he'll get some credit for the work he's done here.
Moyes couldn't do it. Van Gaal couldn't do it. Mourinho couldn't do it. But all the keyboard geniuses would have us believe the answer to our problems is the next name off the block.
Too many fans either can't or won't see that the football side of our club isn't run as well as clubs like Bayern or Chelsea. Short term appointments that rip up the playbook and start from scratch don't work here. In fact, they cause more harm than good.
We have a manager who at the very least, holds the best interests of the club above his own. He's established us in a much stronger position than any of the 3 who proceeded him did, and he has installed an infinitely healthier and happier culture in the squad and at the club.
I don't see how Chelsea scraping past 10 man Southampton makes it irrelevant.Guess you should have waited till their match ended to post such pointless comment.
No one said Chelsea play breathtaking football. The reality is, though, they're well run machine and an overall solid team, meanwhile United are a disjointed mess tactically.I don't see how Chelsea scraping past 10 man Southampton makes it irrelevant.
Ultimately, we're crap, but they're hardly setting the world alight, as some seem to be making out.
And I suppose you also accepted LVG and Mourinho 100%, with their sleepy 85mins football that we were all subjected to. I slept through most games under these managers. Conte will be the same if not worse I guarantee. Did you not watch him manage Chelsea?See ? That's basically it for you, no matter how many names we suggest you and others will just invent any excuse for him to not be good enough for United job, he plays defensive football, he's short term, he falls with the squad, he has limitation, he has a hair transplantation..etc. Just any excuses to stick with Ole.
Ridiculous to assume that since Klopp or Pep isn't available we can't do better than what we have.
You can support the manager if you like him but you have no business to tell others to shut up and do like you. Ole isn't good enough to be a manager for United. I'll take Conte 100%. I'll take Zidane 100%. This is it, this is my opinion and many others. It's not your job to tell us to "shut the feck up".
And for the record I hope you were also supporting Mourinho, LVG and Moyes, otherwise it's pure hypocrisy what I'm reading here.
Fans are always too caught up in work rate, determination, “heart” and playing for the badge as reasons why a team fails or a player is important, when in reality modern football is so tight that tactical tweaks and technical ability has never been more important. But hey keep running Scott out there because he’s big and has passion I guess. Plays hard.Nope it was the same with Moyes too. It's not just the support for the manager but also pure refusal to believe that training and tactics have any bearing on performance. They believe that our poor performances are down to lack of determination which is ridiculous. For example people blame players for making poor passes but if you look at the off the ball movement then it's clear as a daylight that our players who have the ball have really limited options.
If the manager is seen to be making progress they stay. Klopp nor Guardiola were immediately successful. They were able to take their teams to the next level. Ole has made progress but I think we're seeing his limitations as a manager now. Let's not forget Real went back to their old manager when they tried to replace him with Benitez, as did Bayern after Guardiola left.All top clubs work like that. IT is a way forward.
Integrity and Tradition probably also mean something to Bayern, and they had no issue ejecting LvG after a domestic double and CL final, or Carlo Ancelotti after a league title, the moment things begin to unravel.I would literally rather never win the champions league again than become a dodgy money, manager sacking, young player hoarding, plastic football club.
Integrity & Tradition mean something here.
