Ole Sack Watch

[KeanoMagicHat]

Wow that is proper weird then

So strange at 1-0 that too.

I think it was obvious they gave up on Conte, Chelsea are notorious for that with managers, lose a few games and they just get the manager sacked and move onto the next one. Fabregas there not even putting his foot in, no manager would ever instruct players to do that, that's purely on the players.

If there was a clip from the previous season of their game against City, it was light years from that.

 

[Shark]

Dont act like I kid. Sack now sack now. Its more important to see who to hire instead first.

Also we risk another total embarrassment in our next fixture. Leaving us even further off the pace. That's not important?

 

[Wilt]

88.7% now. Fraction more want Ole to stay compared to yesterday.

Most likely more oppo fans voting to keep.

 

[Pexbo]

I doubt it. That would imply that there is no clause in his contract that says that the club can sack him for X amount of money (probably one year salary).

I know that Ed is an idiot when it comes to football, but he is not an idiot when it comes to money.

I doubt it. It’s a three year contract, that would offer no security to Solskjaer.

Manager’s contracts are viewed a bit like transfer fees, it’s an upfront risk you take investing in that manager. When you give them a 3 year contract you know full well that you’re committing that money whether it goes well or goes badly. Depending on when it goes wrong, you then negotiate mutual consent which most managers will agree to as it means they get a good payout and are free to look for another job. It’s in both parties interest at that point to find a figure that both are comfortable with and move on with both parties bound to NDAs.

If you start insisting that you have exit clauses and safe guards because you have doubts over the manager then you‘re admitting you already think you have the wrong guy so why are you investing in them if there is no trust?

 

[MadMike]

Also we risk another total embarrassment in our next fixture. Leaving us even further off the pace. That's not important?

So you're telling me that if Ole is sacked today and Mike Phelan or Carrick/McKenna take charge, the risks of getting pummelled by Spurs diminish? How?

 

[Doracle]

It makes no sense, as what happens if we get a decent win? Is that him back on track, or just a false dawn?

If a 5-0 home defeat after a run of shockers doesn't get you the sack what does?!

It kind of depends how you look at it. Ultimately, he’s had two seasons where he’s met reasonable expectations. We are now on a run of 4 bad results in the league (albeit with the last one being a disaster). Would you usually expect a manager to be sacked in that scenario or be given time to turn it around?

It does feel likely it’s the end of the line for Ole in all honesty and he seemingly hasn’t been able to solve the tactical issues particularly around the defence. It’s been a fun couple of years though - he’s brought back a lot of the joy of watching United after the Van Gaal/Mourinho years. Hopefully, the board are taking their time to get the right replacement lined up.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

Is Comical Ole the secret son of one of the Glazers? Why the hell are we going out of our way time and again to make excuses for him, it's like they've bet everything on him or something.
At this stage it's just pathetic.

It really is pathetic.

What a message the Glazers are sending out right now with their silence…

Crystal clear they have absolutely no contingency plan after employing a wildly under-qualified manager and putting him in charge of a dressing room full of huge names.

They’re dithering - again, and it’s plainly obvious that they want this to blow over.

They are revealing their standards at Utd.

 

[JustAGuest]

I think it was obvious they gave up on Conte, Chelsea are notorious for that with managers, lose a few games and they just get the manager sacked and move onto the next one. Fabregas there not even putting his foot in, no manager would ever instruct players to do that, that's purely on the players.

If there was a clip from the previous season of their game against City, it was light years from that.

I don't see our lot putting up with him very long either.

 

[pocco]

It's got to be a case of giving him a bit longer whilst we find the right guy, probably for the international break, rather than just backing him without question. Surely?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Solving the crap coach problem by sacking Ole is not going to solve the midfield problem, the pressing problem, the Ronaldo problem or the fundamental Glazer problem that underpins the rest.

You have to ask what kind of mercenary or fool would want Ole's job at this point?

Probably not, but a better manager being here might attract a midfielder in January. If a manager could at least get the defence being able to defend, it would help.

 

[Mainoldo]

Yeah it will never be a 5-0 but it might be this :

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Was Chelsea losing 5-0?

 

[padzilla]

It's got to be a case of giving him a bit longer whilst we find the right guy, probably for the international break, rather than just backing him without question. Surely?

You are familiar with the Glazers and Woodward et al aren't you?

 

[Pickle85]

Thread title is the equivalent of being told "I love you, I'm just not IN love with you".

 

[Desert Eagle]

He's getting sacked for sure. They might give him 1-3 games but it's done. No manager comes back from this.

 

[Leftback99]

Why do people seem to think Ole won't be sacked? There is this theory floating around that the Glazers are happy with mediocrity, which I find nuts to be honest. We have spent £450m net over the last few transfer windows, do people HONESTLY believe that the Glazers do this because they love Utd, or because they want to see results on the pitch?

Let's just calm down for one second. Clearly, Ole has to go and I believe he will go...but what sense does sacking him this week make? We have Spurs (A), Atalanta (A) and City (H) coming up, followed by an International break, then a winnable game against Watford.

Surely, it makes sense to sound out our managerial targets, have two weeks to think about what we do/who we approach and then make our move after we get spanked by City? That way, the new manager has two weeks to get into Carrington, start to meet some of the players and staff and then hopefully get us off to a winning start against a beatable side

Yeah. I said it will be either for the international break or he will get the season. People are too desperate for us to rush into a decision and get the first guy available (Conte) in.

 

[Shark]

So you're telling me that if Ole is sacked today and Mike Phelan or Carrick/McKenna take charge, the risks of getting pummelled by Spurs diminish? How?

At least the players will be aware there's a new manager incoming and perhaps show some fight. Keeping Ole at the helm is just bonkers at this point, he'll play on the counter and we'll still get obliterated like we did against Liverpool.

 

[Random Task]

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So Fab's confirming the earlier reports that the board wants to give Ole more time. If this is true, I'd love to know the know the reasoning behind that decision. It makes no sense to me.

 

[RedBanker]

If they like him on a personal level, they can take him out to dinner. No need to waste the season for that.

 

[DixieDean]

Your board needs to stop listening to Ferguson. Holy shit, what a laughing stock your board is.

 

[AltiUn]

How much time does a win against Spurs buy him though? The sentimentality is worrying.

 

[sullydnl]

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Wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.

He could beat all of Spurs, City and Atalanta, it still wouldn't change how he fundamentally functions as a manager. And that's the problem, not the series of results we happen to have strung together at this given moment. That series of results should only have acted as a wake-up call to prompt the club to realise he's incapable of doing a fundamental aspect of his job.

If this was true then Spurs could do the rest of the league a favour by being reliably shit.

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

God only know where these people get such nonsense from. That being said, football is a results business, which mean if you're not winning, tactically, something is wrong.

Ole always stressed the importance of a strong foundation. He's mentioned a few times that titles are won from a strong defence. At the moment, we're anything but, conceding 15 in 9 games.

What Ole should be doing now is changing something because whatever he's doing at present clearly isn't working.

It's almost as if he's got in his head that because he's in his third season, he has to win games a certain way because he's managing United, but since he's been here, he's won games by being quite pragmatic and hard to beat.

This season, we're pressing up the pitch (not in an organised way) and we're getting picked off left, right and centre, even with McTominay and Fred at the base.

Now, it seems that the board are going to stick with Ole, and he will have my full support, but it will infuriate me if he goes with the same system against Spurs on Saturday.

We need to go back to the drawing board, be hard to beat, instill that confidence back and go from there.

When Tuchel got appointed, he identified that Chelsea struggled defensively in a 4 man back line. He switched it up to 5 and Chelsea have looked a lot better for it.

Now, I'm not saying Ole needs to change to a 5 at the back but when he said something got to give, we haven't seen anything of the sort from a tactical point of view. He dropped Pogba from the deeper midfield role and the same nonsense is happening. Therefore, we know it's nothing to do with personnel but more so the tactics and team set up. Time to change things up, Ole!

 

[dove]

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This is why hiring legends etc is a really bad idea. Clouds so much judgement.

This kind of thinking is mental. So what if we scrape a win against them? Ole safe? It should never be about 1 game. Giving a chance for 1 game after being crap for 20 previous games is stupid and just delaying the inevitable some of us seen ever since he became a permanent manager. Now we have wasted more than 2 years and he somehow is still in the job. United way I guess.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

There is no other club - at any level, anywhere across world football - where an already under-pressure and under-fire manager can lose 5-0 at home to their biggest rivals, in a game where they were so inept that the only reason the other team didn't score more was because they had pity for you.

Only at United.

 

[Revan]

I doubt it. It’s a three year contract, that would offer no security to Solskjaer.

Manager’s contracts are viewed a bit like transfer fees, it’s an upfront risk you take investing in that manager. When you give them a 3 year contract you know full well that you’re committing that money whether it goes well or goes badly. Depending on when it goes wrong, you then negotiate mutual consent which most managers will agree to as it means they get a good payout and are free to look for another job. It’s in both parties interest at that point to find a figure that both are comfortable with and move on with both parties bound to NDAs.

If you start insisting that you have exit clauses and safe guards because you have doubts over the manager then you‘re admitting you already think you have the wrong guy so why are you investing in them if there is no trust?

It could be.

It would be stupid if it is so, though. Especially in case of Ole, who would not have had any other big offer. I mean, was he going to refuse and go back to Norway to get paid 5% of his salary?

The job security from the managers should come from their performance. If they believed that they are good enough, I think they would have signed knowing that they will get only 7.5M in compensation if they get sacked. Let's see.

 

[Red Devil 26]

A caretaker for a few games would probably give the players a release knowing the managerial situation is going to be addressed.

As it stands, I don't see how Ole can galvanise these players for the weekend. Our season is far from a write off if we act swiftly, prolonging this misery with the squad of players we have at our disposal, is a collossal waste.

 

[tenpoless]

Yeah it will never be a 5-0 but it might be this :

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This looks bad. But I can cherry pick clips from Moyes, LvG, Jose and Ole that look just as bad than this if I try. Defenders slipping on their arse, players passing the ball straight to the opponents, conceding stupid goals, hoofing it to Fellaini as part of the game plan, players not knowing what to do on the pitch when we have the ball, passing it sideways...

Every team/manager has a bad moment like this I believe.

 

[Utd heap]

A caretaker for a few games would probably give the players a release knowing the managerial situation is going to be addressed.

As it stands, I don't see how Ole can galvanise these players for the weekend. Our season is far from a write off if we act swiftly, prolonging this misery with the squad of players we have at our disposal, is a collossal waste.

It does look completely untenable right now, I can't see any reason to keep it bumbling along.

I hear people saying what difference will an interim make for the upcoming tough matches? It might just stop the bleeding.

 

[redshaw]

Sir Alex can still spot a player, you can see that with Jude being the latest and his efforts to convince. All his manager recommendations have been poor in his career. I will give him some credit Ole has been a good cleanser but we needed to get a top coach in shortly after, we've not had one since SAF.

Adding to Jude, he's been proved right going to Germany, sorry Alex. He'll be looking at this new shit show and be glad he's not here probably not playing or severely held back in his development.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Well he is so I guess we are? Does that make you feel better?

Why would that make him feel better?

 

[UnitedSofa]

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[pascell]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...faith-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-manchester-united/

 

[UnitedSofa]

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[Shane88]

Ole getting friendzoned.

 

[PeteReDevil]

Would we make it to top ten if Ole stayed?

 

[Stadjer]

Are you serious? Would you want Lampard at Chelsea or Tuchel?

Lampard

 

[Ole90+3]

Abso-fecking-lutely.

Not as bad as it has been the past couple of league games. Either that or it's only now being exposed by the quality of the oppositon.

 

[Highfather_24]

But I can cherry pick clips from Moyes, LvG, Jose and Ole that look just as bad than this if I try

I think we should aim higher right?

Anyway I get your point about the cherrypicking. I would definitely take Conte over Ole right now, but I'm apprehensive about whether he can win the title.

Is there some context behind that game? Looks like they were down 1-0. Is it a two leg cup competition or something.

I think they were a man down.

 

[mark_a]

There's no way the MEN runs this if they're not pretty damn sure this is the case.

United could easily ban the MEN from Friday pressers, which would be hugely damaging for the local paper. If the MEN is running this its 90% sure Solskjaer is out.

You might be under-estimating the level that local newspapers now have to be driven by clickbait! Plus Luckhurst is a BS merchant.

Seems weird again that no-one seems to think that this is about the club being badly run?! I said this after SAF(pre-Moyes) and at this point in each successive manager's reign. God help us if they are indeed "floating this idea to see how it's received"! FFS. Just in the same way you want a club to be a FOOTBALL club and appoint the right staff, coaches etc, scout the right players etc... We seem unable to appoint the right manager. How quickly everyone forgets that they appointed Mourinho on a the back foot, and when his inevitable sacking happened got Ole in as a temporary fix (again on the hoof). When will they start running the club and not making decisions on the hoof?! City and Liverpool both appear to have built their current success on the field on decisions made pro-actively and with some kind of plan. Anyone calling for the sacking of Ole is inviting another "make do" shitshow of a not-good-fit manager and I'll be posting this in another 2 years ...

I wonder how many poor appointments are needed before serious questions are asked about who is running United? Woodward doesn't actually leave 'til December, so we're likely to end up with a whole new regime at United, at the top at least. But what actually changes? Will that new management and coaches be on the same wavelength as the staff under them at United who will have been there before?

People should be more depressed about the big picture than Ole & United's current form.

"United considering sacking Solskjaar" - What a depressing sentence. Not lease for the reason as already said, but also it reeks of dithering. Heads should have rolled when Moyes was sacked, unbelievable that they're still making decisions.

In an alternate Universe, United are run by pro-active football people, who thought that it was likely that Ole had got the "cultural reboot" of United well underway with the team coming 2nd. They'd found a manager they thought could take the club to the next level & pursued him. Culminating in Ole stepping down by mutual consent at the end of 2020/21 and moving into a coaching/Dof or other role. At the very lease doing it this way might mean they'd found someone who was right for the club, without having to do it in a panic, mid-season when no-one is available.

I'm not saying that's how it should have happened, but just imagine a world where we're not throwing people under buses and then making the best of the mess. That's just a recipe for boom and bust and means the collateral damage is people like Carrick (who might have turned out to be a great coach), Phelan (who I've actually always had doubts about even since SAF's time). I mean it could even be the fault of the coaching staff, but we'll never know will we, as it stands.

 

[DWelbz19]

Is there some context behind that game? Looks like they were down 1-0. Is it a two leg cup competition or something.

That’s basically how Tuchel set up against City not three weeks gone