What level do yo expect from a caretaker? I expect maximum Rooney, Neville or similar, and I don’t think a caretaker will make a difference. Things can go even worse with a caretaker, believe it or not
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Ragnick, Blank, Garcia, Jardim if the club are smart (hint: they are not).What level do yo expect from a caretaker? I expect maximum Rooney, Neville or similar, and I don’t think a caretaker will make a difference. Things can go even worse with a caretaker, believe it or not
I would absolutely love Keane as caretaker.What level do yo expect from a caretaker? I expect maximum Rooney, Neville or similar, and I don’t think a caretaker will make a difference. Things can go even worse with a caretaker, believe it or not
Jaap Stam is unemployed, get him in as Roy's assistant!
That would be a disaster. His track record is pretty abysmal and he'll pretty much alienate all the players within a few weeks. Being a no nonsense hardman doesn't automatically make you a good coach, even on an interim basis.
I think it was in jest....
His track record is decent for the level at which he's managed but I take your point , we probably won't win something with him and struggle for top four. Just so happens we already probably won't win anything and are struggling for top four so gimme Keane for a bit. Imagine Keane ripping into Mctom
I was thinking Paul McGrath for the Irish connection but Jaap is a good shout!
Keane, Stam and Eric simultaneously playing bad cop. And Brucey is good cop.
Me too. Good suggestion. He didn’t cross my mind. Maybe also Bruce accept being a caretaker right now.
I’d pay to watch that
These McKenna jibes seem like cheap shots to me. Easy for players to throw him under the bus when they aren't performing.
Yes, he was an academy coach previously but he was highly rated and Mourinho promoted him, so not likely to be an 'old boy'.
Yes, he was an academy coach previously but he was highly rated and Mourinho promoted him, so not likely to be an 'old boy'.
Is Guus Hiddink still alive? He could be a good caretaker.
I feel it's more about finding a scapegoat to absolve the main character now. The manager and his assistant can't be unaware of the situation, right?
re: Mourinho. Mourinho still heavily involved over trainings. He dubbed himself as head coach, and being clear about Carrick and McKenna role being assistant coach (not assistant manager). There was dicussion here back then that people think Mourinho didn't let the young coaches express their ideas!
With Ole, he tries to emulate SAF in later year. Some time ago, he himself said along the line he is not a great coach so he delegates detail of training to Carrick and McKenna and other coaching staffs.
C'mon, does anything show that McKenna or Carrick is doing a great job while Ole isn't? If Ole can do it all, why does he even need a team?
It's not a one-man show. The coaching team has failed. All of them. Ole takes the most responsibility because he is top of the tree, but that doesn't mean the people below him don't deserve a slapping too.
It's not a one-man show. The coaching team has failed. All of them. Ole takes the most responsibility because he is top of the tree, but that doesn't mean the people below him don't deserve a slapping too.
Ole is bottom of the barrel. I don’t know where the notion that no one would be able to do better or more than Ole stems from. A new manager bounce often occurs when half of the squad wants the manager gone and reportedly that’s the case with Ole. Plenty of caretakers have done well enough at other clubs, including winning CL runs. Not that I expect that here but I do expect they do well enough to salvage something out of the season.What level do yo expect from a caretaker? I expect maximum Rooney, Neville or similar, and I don’t think a caretaker will make a difference. Things can go even worse with a caretaker, believe it or not
Interesting tid bit from Rio from 3mins +, quite the subjective take about what has gone wrong. Interesting watch if anyone has 12mins spare
He retired last month.
Half of the squad? Where do you have this number from?
I heard a pundit on talksport say they believe he needs to beat Spurs, at least draw with Atalanta and not get spanked by City to survive. Talk about lowering the bar.
It's a shit show from top to bottom. The coaching staff should be slapped and given their P45s exactly the same as Ole. They're all as bad as each other.
The timingFrustrated with the recent results and the negativity surrounding the club, but since it seems Ole will continue as manager (at least for the near future) I will be supporting him hoping that he can then things around. Let’s see how the players react also
They’ve just recycled this from a while back. Wasn’t the story he’s a bit basic in his approach (very fitness and simple passing drills based) but then they adapted and all was good. Again, Ole oversees this so you can’t blame McKenna as if he’s snuck in some random sessions without the manager knowing.
Let’s face it mate we’ve turned into Arsenal, just coasting along happy to secure CL football each season but never showing any real ambition to actually try and win the thing. Banter Club!
If the squad is saying you’re the problem, and it’s clear as day you’re about to get sacked, why would you want to continue taking money from the employer you so desperately love?
Yeah this is just constructing a narrative that simply fits an argument that Ole is some moneygrubbing villain, not what's actually happening.
Convinced he is surviving due to the board having no contingency plans in place and them wanting to buy more time, these decisions should have been made after the loss to either Young Boys or Villa bun nope they just carried on regardless
This is exactly the drum that I've been banging on since those losses.
I would imagine owners with that much money would have an inkling on what to do but clearly I gave them way too much credit.
I don’t even want to talk about his well documented issues like coaching, tactics and in-game management anymore, because we’ve banged on about all that enough. What I need to talk about is his man-management this season, an issue no one has talked about which I feel has been very costly to him, and us.
I feared this would happen at the start of the season, but he’s really been found out with a bigger and better squad. His man-management has been shown up to be very overrated. No, there hasn’t been anarchy like under Mourinho, but there is absolutely no other reason that he kept Bailly, Donny and Jesse aside from stockpiling players he didn’t need, just for insurance. A common retort to this point would be ‘look at City and Chelsea, but we’re the only ones not allowed to have depth’. City and Chelsea rotate in an exemplary manner and the likes of Bernardo, Ake, Chalobah and Ziyech are all used regularly, just not as much as the top players. I’m not expecting that from Ole, but I’m expecting Bailly to play when Maguire is injured and awfully out of form, Donny to play when you signed him for £37m LAST summer and Jesse to play when he gets 2 goals and 1 assist off the bench. Otherwise, he should have sold them. It’s no exaggeration to say that he’s utterly derailed Bailly and Donny’s career in particular.
I think there’s also no doubt that he’s lost a large portion of the dressing room now. It’s been clear for a while that the likes of Pogba and Ronaldo are very unhappy with his management, but I think that’s spread to the either squad, maybe bar some of the British lads and Fred. Cavani’s a less documented case of appalling man-management by Ole as well. No one’s fooling me that a homesick player decided to stick around just to score a goal at a full Old Trafford. Absolutely ridiculous, and I thought so at the time. He would have been given game time guarantees, and that’s now absolutely gone. Why can’t he start next to Ronaldo, and play the supporting, pressing role Benzema and Morata did?
Then you have Lingard and Mason liking Instagram posts from people they don’t even follow calling for his head, Sancho’s close friend calling for him to go and the leaks from Rashford’s team to Ornstein that he was bemused by Ole’s ‘focus of football’ comments. Remember, these young lads are supposed to be the ones benefiting most from playing under him. This is the entire friend group ‘coincidentally’ showing their own signs of annoyance with the manager. If he’s somehow even lost them, then what hope does he have?
His man-management was decent up to this season. Even Donny got a few more chances than he’s had this season, and Ole could argue that last season was his bedding in campaign. Ole’s even lost his best managerial trait this season. He is an absolute footballing dead-man walking and I cannot believe we’re seemingly giving him until the international break. It genuinely feels like sabotage, deliberately throwing 9 points and 3 6-pointers right down the bin, 1 in a competition we still have a chance in.
I feared this would happen at the start of the season, but he’s really been found out with a bigger and better squad. His man-management has been shown up to be very overrated. No, there hasn’t been anarchy like under Mourinho, but there is absolutely no other reason that he kept Bailly, Donny and Jesse aside from stockpiling players he didn’t need, just for insurance. A common retort to this point would be ‘look at City and Chelsea, but we’re the only ones not allowed to have depth’. City and Chelsea rotate in an exemplary manner and the likes of Bernardo, Ake, Chalobah and Ziyech are all used regularly, just not as much as the top players. I’m not expecting that from Ole, but I’m expecting Bailly to play when Maguire is injured and awfully out of form, Donny to play when you signed him for £37m LAST summer and Jesse to play when he gets 2 goals and 1 assist off the bench. Otherwise, he should have sold them. It’s no exaggeration to say that he’s utterly derailed Bailly and Donny’s career in particular.
I think there’s also no doubt that he’s lost a large portion of the dressing room now. It’s been clear for a while that the likes of Pogba and Ronaldo are very unhappy with his management, but I think that’s spread to the either squad, maybe bar some of the British lads and Fred. Cavani’s a less documented case of appalling man-management by Ole as well. No one’s fooling me that a homesick player decided to stick around just to score a goal at a full Old Trafford. Absolutely ridiculous, and I thought so at the time. He would have been given game time guarantees, and that’s now absolutely gone. Why can’t he start next to Ronaldo, and play the supporting, pressing role Benzema and Morata did?
Then you have Lingard and Mason liking Instagram posts from people they don’t even follow calling for his head, Sancho’s close friend calling for him to go and the leaks from Rashford’s team to Ornstein that he was bemused by Ole’s ‘focus of football’ comments. Remember, these young lads are supposed to be the ones benefiting most from playing under him. This is the entire friend group ‘coincidentally’ showing their own signs of annoyance with the manager. If he’s somehow even lost them, then what hope does he have?
His man-management was decent up to this season. Even Donny got a few more chances than he’s had this season, and Ole could argue that last season was his bedding in campaign. Ole’s even lost his best managerial trait this season. He is an absolute footballing dead-man walking and I cannot believe we’re seemingly giving him until the international break. It genuinely feels like sabotage, deliberately throwing 9 points and 3 6-pointers right down the bin, 1 in a competition we still have a chance in.
Today has just highlighted how lucky Ole is. He should never still be in the job he got by being massively under qualified for. He’s literally the luckiest manager in world football.
I’d give anything to be at the Spurs game - I wouldn’t be chanting his name.
I’d give anything to be at the Spurs game - I wouldn’t be chanting his name.
They weren't on Sunday it was all coming from the scousers
What narrative am I creating? Unless every single news report is lying, my statement is correct. The only hyperbole is the last part of my question. The only narrative being constructed is this notion that Ole wouldn’t do anything to harm the club and he’d have the decency to step down if he thought he was, because we’ve seen feck all evidence of that.
Demanding managers to step down is the single most moronic thing people write on a football forum.
A delusional one.
Also, there are a couple of key fixtures coming up, and if he loved the club he wouldn't just quit and leave a mess behind for the coaches. There, I just proved your statement incorrect.
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Is english your native language? It's an expression not to be taken literally, it merely conveys there's a substantial number of players that are reportedly unhappy and want him out. I doubt journalists would go around counting heads to assert that actually "half" want him gone. What's understood doesn't have to be explained.
No top club hires Ole. I know this bewilders his fans. But we are the butt of banter that we fully deserve.
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