Roberto Firmino, the most overrated player in the Prem.

[Maluco]

One award Firmino does win is having the most misspelled name in the PL.

It’s just a surname. No diminutive or anything like that. Just a footballer using his name on the back his shirt.

Anyway, just a good footballer whose potential has been maximized by an excellent coach. A great example of how important a players transfer choices are in football.

If he had gone somewhere like Chelsea or United , he would probably be back in Germany having been lost in the shuffle. Instead he is a PL and European champion.

 

[Jim Beam]

Farminho is solid.

 

[B20]

Bergkamp was also massively overrated. And he played until he was what 38/39? It's hardly a shock his goal scoring would drop off.

If you take Bergkamp's 3 most prolific seasons, he scored one league goal more than Firmino did in his 3 most prolific seasons. And Firmino outscored Bergkamp in all competitions there. Not in the least thanks to the season where he bagged 10 goals in the CL and was second only to Ronaldo in the top scorer chart.

 

[TwoSheds]

If you take Bergkamp's 3 most prolific seasons, he scored one league goal more than Firmino did in his 3 most prolific seasons. And Firmino outscored Bergkamp in all competitions there. Not in the least thanks to the season where he bagged 10 goals in the CL and was second only to Ronaldo in the top scorer chart.

Good? So he was pretty comparable to a stylish but highly overrated player, is that the moral of this story?

 

[B20]

Good? So he was pretty comparable to a stylish but highly overrated player, is that the moral of this story?

I will take that as I consider Bergkamp one of the best players in premiership history.

 

[adexkola]

In 10 years no one will remember Firminho.

Why, will we all have developed alzheimers?

 

[Matthew84!]

Definitely over rated but Klopp likes him and he makes the other forwards look good,

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Why, will we all have developed alzheimers?

some of us will have. But the rest will simply remember the best players.

 

[TwoSheds]

I will take that as I consider Bergkamp one of the best players in premiership history.

Wow. And you think that about Firmino too then? Very odd all round.

 

[B20]

Wow. And you think that about Firmino too then? Very odd all round.

No I don't. If you read what I wrote I clearly said he's not as good as Bergkamp.

 

[Moby]

Firmino is nowhere near Bergkamp in terms of ability. There are goals Bergkamp scored that Firmino won't be able to execute if he tried it a million times over, on an empty pitch let alone with defenders all over him.

 

[JJ12]

No I don't. If you read what I wrote I clearly said he's not as good as Bergkamp.

Understatement

 

[TwoSheds]

Firmino is nowhere near Bergkamp in terms of ability. There are goals Bergkamp scored that Firmino won't be able to execute if he tried it a million times over, on an empty pitch let alone with defenders all over him.

Firmino also scores nice goals tbf occasionally. But they both have the same problem, they're strikers who don't score many goals.

 

[Moby]

Firmino also scores nice goals tbf occasionally. But they both have the same problem, they're strikers who don't score many goals.

Bergkamp's technique, dribbling, passing and playmaking was a fair few notches above though, it's not even comparable. He was on par with the best playmakers/#10s of the 90s and 00s. Firmino's nowhere near that level.

 

[TwoSheds]

Bergkamp's technique, dribbling, passing and playmaking was a fair few notches above though, it's not even comparable. He was on par with the best playmakers/#10s of the 90s and 00s. Firmino's nowhere near that level.

Meh. If Bergkamp was that good he would have scored more goals. He didn't even get more assists than his strike partner usually either.

 

[Jim Beam]

Firmino also scores nice goals tbf occasionally. But they both have the same problem, they're strikers who don't score many goals.

Bergkamp has a pretty strong case to be considered as the best 2nd striker in EPL history (and along with that one of the best forwards). Actually, in terms of his position, it is a battle between him and Cantona. Both of them were facilitators, not pure goalscorers and that made them so great.

As a United fan, I will always say Cantona obviously, but among neutrals it is pretty divided probably.

 

[Moby]

Meh. If Bergkamp was that good he would have scored more goals.

Sound logic that.

 

[TwoSheds]

Bergkamp has a pretty strong case to be considered as the best 2nd striker in EPL history (and along with that one of the best forwards). Actually, in terms of his position, it is a battle between him and Cantona. Both of them were facilitators, not pure goalscorers and that made them so great.

As a United fan, I will always say Cantona obviously, but among neutrals it is pretty divided probably.

It's a position that's not very common any more though so I'm not sure what that proves really. Gerrard, Lampard, Yaya, the no.10 became much more commonly used than a 2nd striker. I suppose you could argue Aguero is/was a 2nd striker maybe? Bit of a stretch.

Even in the 90s though I much preferred Zola to Bergkamp myself. Yorke and Teddy would be in with a shout too. And Rooney was probably better than all of them, much as I love Le Roi.

 

[sangria]

Bergkamp has a pretty strong case to be considered as the best 2nd striker in EPL history (and along with that one of the best forwards). Actually, in terms of his position, it is a battle between him and Cantona. Both of them were facilitators, not pure goalscorers and that made them so great.

As a United fan, I will always say Cantona obviously, but among neutrals it is pretty divided probably.

Firmino is more useful than Bergkamp was in the Champions League though, as he's able to play in both legs unlike Bergkamp.

 

[Jim Beam]

It's a position that's not very common any more though so I'm not sure what that proves really. Gerrard, Lampard, Yaya, the no.10 became much more commonly used than a 2nd striker. I suppose you could argue Aguero is/was a 2nd striker maybe? Bit of a stretch.

Even in the 90s though I much preferred Zola to Bergkamp myself. Yorke and Teddy would be in with a shout too. And Rooney was probably better than all of them, much as I love Le Roi.

That is fair, the position is a dying breed today. Players who act that way are now mostly in centre forward position with wingers goalscoring contribution growing.

In the past, it was much more common with the likes of Dalglish or Keegan.
Zola, Di Canio, Bergkamp, Cantona, Gudjohnsen, young RVP, Berbatov, Rooney, etc would be such players in recent past.

Cantona and Bergkamp would still be at the top for me. Rooney also, but he was so damn versatile that you can't associate him with just one position.
In any case, Bergkamp was a brilliant player. Matter of opinions, but I have no problems with people putting him as one of EPL finest forwards.

 

[2mufc0]

He looks really rubbish, maybe Klopp's system (when functioning) made him look a lot better than he really is.

 

[GledTheRed]

It's actually hilarious how shit his finishing is, zero sympathy for a cnut doing all the no look nonsense which was basically trying to take the piss.

 

[2mufc0]

It's not just a moment either he's been crap for a long time now.

 

[SAFMUTD]

He's good at a lot of things, scoring is not one of them. Thats ok when you got two wingers who score 20+ goals per season but when the goals are dry obviously he's going to be the first one to be critiziced.

 

[Eplel]

He''s got bright teeth, I'll give him that.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Loving his signature finish of the ball being played back to him inside the box then he spoons a shot wide or over.

Seeing it a lot recently

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Great teeth, shit footballer. What world class striker goes a year without scoring at home?

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

He’s overrated because people actually called him world class.

 

[paraguayo]

So, Firmino continues to be an important player in a title contender but for some posters here he is much worse than Martial, Lacazette and etc

 

[Maluco]

So, Firmino continues to be an important player in a title contender but for some posters here he is much worse than Martial, Lacazette and etc

Give those players Klopp as their manager and watch them score 10 goals a season too!

 

[Cascarino]

So, Firmino continues to be an important player in a title contender but for some posters here he is much worse than Martial, Lacazette and etc

Yeah he’s excellent. He did have a dip for a while where he struggled, but it’s not a coincidence that the players around him do so well. He’s very clever positionally, selfless with his play and vital to Liverpool playing their best.

He’s hard to quantify and he’s not someone who can be assessed by numbers. Very unique player and I love watching him, his movement on Sunday was masterful and played a big role.

This thread title really is off.

 

[Dancfc]

So, Firmino continues to be an important player in a title contender but for some posters here he is much worse than Martial, Lacazette and etc

Another victim of the stats obsessed modern age.

The first goal at Old Trafford sums up just how crucial he is to the system.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I will forever insist. Those who think he isn't good simply don't understand football. Pool wouldn't get very far without him

 

[Verward]

Give those players Klopp as their manager and watch them score 10 goals a season too!

Even McFred under Klopp would look like world beaters.Bloody he plays that old boy Milner in middield against us and city
and he manages to put in a good shift.

 

[Ali Dia]

Has to be one of our players who’s the most overrated PL player currently.

take your pick.

 

[AllGoodNamesRGone]

Some nonsense posts about Bergkamp earlier in this thread. Easily one of the best players the premier league has ever seen.

 

[chiz2kul]

I will forever insist. Those who think he isn't good simply don't understand football. Pool wouldn't get very far without him

agreed. so many embarrassing hot takes in the entire thread

 

[MackRobinson]

Lots of shocking responses. He's essentially their no. 10, who is unselfish, creative, presses from the front, and allows Salah and Mane to focus on goal scoring rather than playmaking.

Given the perceived or actually trend towards "total football" if surprising that fans still have this rigid view that a central striker/forward is supposed to be the best goal scorer on the squad.

 

[MackRobinson]

I will forever insist. Those who think he isn't good simply don't understand football. Pool wouldn't get very far without him

Those fans are more concerned with stats and fantasy than what's happening in the actual game. It's clear they don't even watch games of opposing teams.

 

[Maluco]

Even McFred under Klopp would look like world beaters.Bloody he plays that old boy Milner in middield against us and city
and he manages to put in a good shift.

My post was tongue in cheek but there is most definitely a Klopp effect there. I think Fred would look fantastic for them given a proper role and instructions.

He is a good player with good movement, but Firmino has definitely maximized his talents by being at the right team under the right manager.

So many of our players would look fantastic under a coach like that. That’s what makes our current situation so frustrating.