We are an awfully coached team

[devlinadl]

He has no body of work behind him that we can use to say he has the ability to turn it around and for me the most daming thing is to ask "if Ole left, which of the following clubs would sign him (assuming they didn't have a manager): City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Barca, Real, Atletico, Bayern, Dortmund, PSG, Juve, Inter, Ajax". Not a single one, we have a manager no other top club would even consider hiring.

if you want an eye-opener, go down the Premier League table until you reach a club where the fans would be happy to replace their existing manager with Ole. How far do you have to go?

 

[big_jeffstar]

This isn’t anything new, we haven’t been playing well for nearly two years, we’ve constantly won through moments in games from individuals,
The mistake was giving him a long term contract when we had absolutely no reason to. He was a great interim manager, but we’ve seen what happens with these romantic appointments in the past, he managed to clear the toxicity that was festering for a while under mourinho, and that should be applauded, it just blows my mind that the board then felt the need to extend this longer than it ever needed to be, it’s almost like they’re thinking “hey.. remember when we managed to get rid of that awful mourinho, and replace him with someone everybody loves??… well we’re going to try and live in this bubble forever”
A competent board would be able to see our struggles on the pitch and they would t accept it. we don’t play anywhere close to modern attacking organised teams, in every game we look second best, no matter who the opposition is! The fact that they’ve let this go on so long is quite frankly criminal..
I only see one way out of it, and that is never letting it happen again.. bring in a manager that actually has a style of play, and let him clear out the players that never fit..
it’s harsh, but you can’t expect to win the premier league while Harry maguire is tackling his own team mates and pogba is giving up possession every two minutes, I still fully believe it can be changed around quickly, but it will take someone ruthless and assured to do it, they need to be buying to fit a system, not just big names that have done well at other clubs.. I just hope to god that they’re laying the groundwork now.. too many scares from Ole now, and other clubs are snapping up quality managers

 

[7even]

Lets go through their favoured XI
They bought AWB. Our first actually capable and natural right back since Rafael. (€55m)

They restored Shaw to his best form. From the brink of being written iff (The last 10 games probably in his worst form - do you disagree?)

They bought both Maguire and Varane. Both purchases improved our existing defence. ( Maguire has been awful this season and our defensive record so far isn’t something to brag about - do you disagree?)

They made Fred viable. Before them Fred was a write off (I love Fred but seriously Chief - Not good enough for a team who want to win trophies- do you disagree?)

Under them Greenwood has thrived. He is currently a fixture in the first team. Getting more game time than Cavani, Sancho, Lingard, Mata and Martial (Generational talent - natural progression because of age and maturity)

They bought Bruno. Nothing needs to be said of him (Agree)

CR7. Has basically been the king again. (Agree - but do you honestly want to give credit to our coaching staff that Cristiano scores goals?
Btw fun fact - Today I visited Santo Antonio and Pico dos Barcelos, I also walked around the church where he lived as a young boy. I’m planning to buy a house in that area - the panoramic view is amazing - cost of living and house prices 40-50% lowera few elder men and women outside the church remembered young Ronaldo in his younger days - my wife translated because she’s Brazilian - wonderful people)


So sorry. I don't buy the childish narrative "a blind chicken" could have done that with all the money. It's over the top and provable bullshit. Moyes, LVG and Jams reigns are all the proof one needs (Let’s disagree Chief)

One doesn't have to have any special love for Ole nor his staff to give them the respect and credit they deserve.



1. A path way to the first team for youth. Greenwood is in. The likes of Diallo, Elanga, Shoretire et al are all knocking the door. Under a Conte without maturity of a De Light or Rooney they'd never get a sniff.(Let’s disagree)

2. Conte is wedded to back 3 formations full time. The squad that is being built is heavily suited to the 4-3-3- & 4-2-3-1. Only piece lacking is a top class 6 to glue it all together. He'd have had to rip the currently built squad apart to prime it for what he wanted. With our kind of board that would take 2 summers.


3. He'd be a complete change in football direction. Basically another turn at the round about after Moyes, that got us where we are in the first place. Serious clubs bring in someone to build on what the previous on left behind. They don't bring a person who will break most of that down. Even worse he wouldn't be here long term and most managers out there are not back 3 managers. So we'd be turning on the round about again, at the starting line, as our rivals race off in the distance for another lap around the win track.

4. Our fans are hypocrites. They have never been strictly wedded to winning football alone. They are wedded to winger/wide forwards based football. They are wedded to attack oriented football. They are wedded to entertain first football. They are wedded to United giving youth a chance regardless of how mature they are.

Meanwhile Conte is wedded to fullbacks. Is a transition manager. Is a win first entertain, second manager. He hardly touches youth unless they are as mature as seasoned pros They'd be the first to moan and hate him at the first sign of a slow down. I don't even have to mention how they hated Mourinho battling our board in the press. Conte is even more forthright

We things differently. From my perspective Ole isn’t good enough.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

(€55m)

Irrelevant. Fred for example cost Mourinho 50m pounds and was dreadful for him. Previous managers chose to buy the likes of Darmian and Dalot or use ex wingers there.

(The last 10 games probably in his worst form - do you disagree?)

100 percent disagree.

First. Shaw was so bad under Mourinho at one point he was rightly hardly getting game time and was benching in favour of a former winger in Ashley Young. At one point even under Ole Brandon Williams was keeping him out the team

I don't see how a mere 10 games
suddenly erases all he did last season under Ole. Form he even carried to his country at the Euros.

Maguire has been awful this season and our defensive record so far isn’t something to brag about - do you disagree?)

Yes. Because it's not relevant to my point. Maguire's current start to the season does not erase his past 2 seasons were he clearly improved our defence. Whilst we also know once he snaps back to his true form and settles into a pair with Varane our defence will become top notch. Tottenham was a mere glimpse of that with one in awful form and the other half fit.

(I love Fred but seriously Chief - Not good enough for a team who want to win trophies- do you disagree?)

Again. Lack of relevance. We are assessing whether the coaching staff deserve ANY credit for the XI they have. Not whether it's an all conquering one.

(Generational talent - natural progression because of age and maturity)

I don't buy that at all. Sancho for example is a generational talent too. He is warming the bench.

Foden is one. At his age Guardiola hardly gave him the time of day at City. The staff definitely deserve credit for actually using him.

but do you honestly want to give credit to our coaching staff that Cristiano scores goals?

No. CR7 would probably still have them at Norwich.

I give them credit rather for being proven right CR7 would add something this squad definitely lacked. They could have easily passed over getting him and done the obvious thing and bought a DM instead. In my book that's a tick in their favour.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

We things differently. From my perspective Ole isn’t good enough.

People constantly confuse me arguing Ole deserves credit for what he has done thus far with me thinking him good enough. The two things are not connected.


I simply take serious issue with the disrespect he gets and utter lack of credit for what he has done in the job past two seasons. He doesn't have to be "good enough" to at the very least be respected.

Neither LVG nor Mourinho were good enough neither. I still respect what they tried to do


Ole won't leave the job with the club worse off than he found it. So I simply can't understand all this vitriol and utter lack of respect thrown his direction. I find it rather all too childish and puerile.

 

[slyadams]

if you want an eye-opener, go down the Premier League table until you reach a club where the fans would be happy to replace their existing manager with Ole. How far do you have to go?

Now that Bruce has gone pretty sure you’d have to leave the PL.

 

[pocco]

@pocco was it you saying we’re stuck with him based off the way the board was acting in the media?

I think I said something like that but can't remember what it was in relation to. Maybe when I said I felt the club were just trying to buy him time by saying he has 3 games, but really they just wanted the heat to die down so they could continue with him?

I did also say something about us having some journos in our pocket these days as we seemed to give them more of an inside line and they were putting out positive PR to try to subdue the growing anger amongst supporters.

 

[NewYorkRed]

Pep’s comments today hurt. A lot. The truth is, even when we were “good” under Ole, we weren’t good enough. It was either playing shit against smaller sides and beating the better ones, or winning the easy games and playing to not lose against the big boys.

3 years is long enough. Unfortunately, it hasn’t worked out. He has built a decent team though, so the task for the next man up shouldn’t be as daunting.

 

[Foxbatt]

Pep’s comments today hurt. A lot. The truth is, even when we were “good” under Ole, we weren’t good enough. It was either playing shit against smaller sides and beating the better ones, or winning the easy games and playing to not lose against the big boys.

3 years is long enough. Unfortunately, it hasn’t worked out. He has built a decent team though, so the task for the next man up shouldn’t be as daunting.

Of course we are not good enough. Otherwise we would have won the PL or CL.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Lets go through their favoured XI
They bought AWB. Our first actually capable and natural right back since Rafael.

They restored Shaw to his best form. From the brink of being written iff

They bought both Maguire and Varane. Both purchases improved our existing defence.

They made Fred viable. Before them Fred was a write off

Under them Greenwood has thrived. He is currently a fixture in the first team. Getting more game time than Cavani, Sancho, Lingard, Mata and Martial

They bought Bruno. Nothing needs to be said of him

CR7. Has basically been the king again.


So sorry. I don't buy the childish narrative "a blind chicken" could have done that with all the money. It's over the top and provable bullshit. Moyes, LVG and Jams reigns are all the proof one needs

One doesn't have to have any special love for Ole nor his staff to give them the respect and credit they deserve.


1. A path way to the first team for youth. Greenwood is in. The likes of Diallo, Elanga, Shoretire et al are all knocking the door. Under a Conte without maturity of a De Light or Rooney they'd never get a sniff.

2. Conte is wedded to back 3 formations full time. The squad that is being built is heavily suited to the 4-3-3- & 4-2-3-1. Only piece lacking is a top class 6 to glue it all together. He'd have had to rip the currently built squad apart to prime it for what he wanted. With our kind of board that would take 2 summers.


3. He'd be a complete change in football direction. Basically another turn at the round about after Moyes, that got us where we are in the first place. Serious clubs bring in someone to build on what the previous on left behind. They don't bring a person who will break most of that down. Even worse he wouldn't be here long term and most managers out there are not back 3 managers. So we'd be turning on the round about again, at the starting line, as our rivals race off in the distance for another lap around the win track.

4. Our fans are hypocrites. They have never been strictly wedded to winning football alone. They are wedded to winger/wide forwards based football. They are wedded to attack oriented football. They are wedded to entertain first football. They are wedded to United giving youth a chance regardless of how mature they are.

Meanwhile Conte is wedded to fullbacks. Is a transition manager. Is a win first entertain, second manager. He hardly touches youth unless they are as mature as seasoned pros They'd be the first to moan and hate him at the first sign of a slow down. I don't even have to mention how they hated Mourinho battling our board in the press. Conte is even more forthright

You're painting everything as good...

Buying Bruno isn't an achievement neither does it apply to Ronaldo. Why do you ignore his other purchases? Sancho, VdB, Telles and the others. What a load of nonsense.

What about winning some silverware? Path for youth? Is that why Cavani and Ronaldo started upfront last week? Is that why we fielded our oldest XI against Spurs during his time as manager?

I think you need to take a rest. The only positive about the last three years is that we've acquired a great squad and even then Ole and his staff can't consistently win games.. yet you can't see this.

 

[wolvored]

Lets go through their favoured XI
They bought AWB. Our first actually capable and natural right back since Rafael.

They restored Shaw to his best form. From the brink of being written iff

They bought both Maguire and Varane. Both purchases improved our existing defence.

They made Fred viable. Before them Fred was a write off

Under them Greenwood has thrived. He is currently a fixture in the first team. Getting more game time than Cavani, Sancho, Lingard, Mata and Martial

They bought Bruno. Nothing needs to be said of him

CR7. Has basically been the king again.


So sorry. I don't buy the childish narrative "a blind chicken" could have done that with all the money. It's over the top and provable bullshit. Moyes, LVG and Jams reigns are all the proof one needs

One doesn't have to have any special love for Ole nor his staff to give them the respect and credit they deserve.


1. A path way to the first team for youth. Greenwood is in. The likes of Diallo, Elanga, Shoretire et al are all knocking the door. Under a Conte without maturity of a De Light or Rooney they'd never get a sniff.

2. Conte is wedded to back 3 formations full time. The squad that is being built is heavily suited to the 4-3-3- & 4-2-3-1. Only piece lacking is a top class 6 to glue it all together. He'd have had to rip the currently built squad apart to prime it for what he wanted. With our kind of board that would take 2 summers.


3. He'd be a complete change in football direction. Basically another turn at the round about after Moyes, that got us where we are in the first place. Serious clubs bring in someone to build on what the previous on left behind. They don't bring a person who will break most of that down. Even worse he wouldn't be here long term and most managers out there are not back 3 managers. So we'd be turning on the round about again, at the starting line, as our rivals race off in the distance for another lap around the win track.

4. Our fans are hypocrites. They have never been strictly wedded to winning football alone. They are wedded to winger/wide forwards based football. They are wedded to attack oriented football. They are wedded to entertain first football. They are wedded to United giving youth a chance regardless of how mature they are.

Meanwhile Conte is wedded to fullbacks. Is a transition manager. Is a win first entertain, second manager. He hardly touches youth unless they are as mature as seasoned pros They'd be the first to moan and hate him at the first sign of a slow down. I don't even have to mention how they hated Mourinho battling our board in the press. Conte is even more forthright

AWB has regressed from when he played for Palace. Maguire the same since Leicester. Fred is as good/bad as he ever was, depends how you look at it. Shaw is also an up and down player, currently on a downward path form wise.
Ill give you Greenwood has got better, but that would have happened with game time off anybody. Bruno was a good buy as was Ronaldo, but was he a real Ole buy or a board buy?
No other youth has been given a chance over the last 3 years.
We are as far off winning the league now and £400 mill+ spent, than we were when Ole came in.

 

[steffyr2]

The squad is on the brink of being excellent because of this very manager and his staff. It annoys me no end people act like it just happened by chance. All this talk of he has always been incompetent. Yet what he and his staff have worked to build is the very thing you are using to kick him with.

Its even more hilariously that so many seriously thinks those of us not willing to just pull the trigger on his reign, so early in the season, are wedded to his being in the job long term. We actually knew he was always going to have to be replaced by someone better after his rebuild job started to come to fruition. We just desire the club to pick the right man to progress the club forward from the foundations he will leave behind. So are quite happy for them to take time to do it.

Rather than do it now then pick a guy like Conte just because his CV is great, who would destroy those foundations just to build his own...all in the name of a short cut to silverware.

That and the mountain of cash being spread around.

So....no progress this season ok by you? No CL next year acceptable?

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Chief going to hate the fans more now.

 

[DutchCruijff]

532 vs City at Home with City dominating possession and not a single breakaway yet Conte would be "boring".

The Yanited Way.

 

[PoTMS]

Chief going to hate the fans more now.

What an absolute deluded fella.

 

[DeGea]

This is good evidence to support the claim that we are poorly coached - 7 defensive players (5 at the back and 2 CDMs), yet we are not closing down City players. Crosses still coming in etc. It is not the players, it is the coaching that is the problem.

 

[AjaxCunian]

It is relegation football, sit deep and defend and absolutely nothing more. I hate that Solksjaer is our manager, he is the worst.

 

[Buchan]

Imagine having the audacity to feel superior to and ridicule posters who flagged this coaching issue a long, long time ago.

These posters should always be reminded of their misplaced arrogance which was dressed up as being a ‘Top Red’.

It’s little wonder we are light years behind the true elite when we have so many like this in our support base. Apologists for mediocrity and opponents of growth. Shameful stuff.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Wba style now. All out in defence and wait for set piece or something. Awful!

 

[Yagami]

Sick of parking the bus in every big game. I want a manager who has the balls to take his game to the opposition regardless of their quality.

City were braver than us when they were shit and we were on top of the world. They went at us and tried to play even though they were obviously levels below.

Also, I love how we chased a wide player for two years, spent, what, £70m on him, and we've decided to use a system that doesn't use wide players now. Brilliant planning.

 

[Buchan]

It is relegation football, sit deep and defend and absolutely nothing more. I hate that Solksjaer is our manager, he is the worst.

There are teams in the actual relegation zone who put it up to City at home better than we do.

Incredible, really.

 

[Toddler]

I dont think ive ever seen us play worse first 20 minutes than this today. Ole has to leave.

 

[Stactix]

Men against boys.

 

[bosnian_red]

It's funny when you realize the entire difference here is 100% on coaching. That's it. You literally can't say any player quality is the difference in any game we play anymore. When you realize that... how the feck is Ole in a job when we get outplayed to this extent?

 

[slored1]

I dont think ive ever seen us play worse first 20 minutes than this today. Ole has to leave.

Did you not watch the Liverpool match. Or Spurs last year? Or Everton a few years ago?

 

[Andycoleno9]

It is relegation football, sit deep and defend and absolutely nothing more. I hate that Solksjaer is our manager, he is the worst.

He made me to not care. Even Moyes didn't manage to do that. When Bailly scored i was dead cold. No reaction at all

 

[izec]

We won with a 532 and he is now applying it to every game

He is so clueless, it is unbelievable. He will change it after another loss and hope it works, then stick with the same formation until it doesnt work. Welcome to 'tactics and formation for dummies' from 1995

 

[RedRover]

Set up simply not to get hammered. Ahome. With a team costing hundreds of millions.

Utter embarrassment.

 

[Bubz27]

We half pegged City in and De Bruyne made a 40m sprint to get his team out of trouble. He knew exactly what to do to help his team.

 

[Toddler]

Did you not watch the Liverpool match. Or Spurs last year? Or Everton a few years ago?

I did? Why?

 

[RedRover]

We won with a 532 and he is now applying it to every game

He is so clueless, it is unbelievable. He will change it after another loss and hope it works, then stick with the same formation until it doesnt work. Welcome to 'tactics and formation for dummies' from 1995

Throwing things at a wall to see what sticks. Total desperation.

 

[Jaxa]

The football is horrendous, it’s Sheffield United trying to not get relegated type of football, i can’t believe the quality we have in this team and this is all the manager and coaching staff can produce,

Massive club acting like a league 1 side, have you ever seen the likes of this before

 

[Red Star One]

Hey maybe watching us is as depressing as it gets and we wasted time and hundreds of millions but don’t forget he is a former player, scored a goal in CL final and gets along with few of our other former players, has to mean he deserves a real shot in the job and at least two more seasons?

 

[slored1]

I did? Why?

There have been worse performances than today for sure. Although today it has been abysmal again, I agree.

 

[Toddler]

There have been worse performances than today for sure. Although today it has been abysmal again, I agree.

Well its debatable. This is horrible anyway . Good times.

 

[Ayoba]

Hey maybe watching us is as depressing as it gets and we wasted time and hundreds of millions but don’t forget he is a former player, scored a goal in CL final and gets along with few of our other former players, has to mean he deserves a real shot in the job and at least two more seasons?

Couldn't agree more. Plus another half a billion to buy players for the bench.

 

[PoTMS]

Honestly, are there still some idiots out there who think the current coaching team is good enough? I mean it's been fairly obvious for a while but there's no defending them now after the shambles of this season.

 

[thesheriffjw]

The coaching of the basics is non existant. That is as obvious as day and night.

How the likes of Palace can regularly go away to the big 6 and play the same formation and get results, show how bad utds formation/tactics are

 

[gica_7]

DDG is Our best player so far and he is the only one that is not coached by Ole.

 

[KingCavani]

What does Shaw do?