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Going by the posts in this thread about Ole being underwhelming in Norway, why do so many think he'll become the national team manager? Isn't that likely to be an unpopular appointment?
He'll get a job in top 5 leagues if not PL specifically. This season apart when the wheels fell off, he was doing a good job - meeting expectations, players were happy, is not controversial, showed good squad building abilities.Where do you stand on this?
personal opinion is that he will at some stage.
Solid win %, the 3rd top manager for getting PL points in his tenure and the away record to his name.
obviously there are things against him too
So choose your side and let’s keep this for record
You're talking as if we've just come short of a title. We've imploded for the same weaknesses that left us trophyless and in bad runs of form previously. We've spent big on ill fitting players, that's easy.He'll get a job in top 5 leagues if not PL specifically. This season apart when the wheels fell off, he was doing a good job - meeting expectations, players were happy, is not controversial, showed good squad building abilities.
Not being able to take the final step doesnt make him a shit manager, will just mean that he isn't an elite manager. Plenty of managers fail, nearly every tenure ends with them getting sacked and there's no shame in failing at United.
As mad as it is, I reckon even bottom level PL teams fans, would be well and truly pissed off if their club hired him. He is absolutely seen as a joke outside of our club.Why would they, he’s won nothing and is universally seen as a joke?
If you think anyone in Italy, Spain or Germany would be interested in D-tier manager who failed at Molde, Cardiff and United I’ve got a bad news for you. They’d much rather risk it with someone who can turn out to be good than go with a clueless guy putting himself before the club and players. There’s many prospective managers out there and Ole’s reputation outside of United bubble is zero.He'll get a job in top 5 leagues if not PL specifically. This season apart when the wheels fell off, he was doing a good job - meeting expectations, players were happy, is not controversial, showed good squad building abilities.
Not being able to take the final step doesnt make him a shit manager, will just mean that he isn't an elite manager. Plenty of managers fail, nearly every tenure ends with them getting sacked and there's no shame in failing at United.
it’s mind boggling this is even debatable. Even Newcastle would have zero interest right now.As mad as it is, I reckon even bottom level PL teams fans, would be well and truly pissed off if their club hired him. He is absolutely seen as a joke outside of our club.
He most likely won't get that job either.Going by the posts in this thread about Ole being underwhelming in Norway, why do so many think he'll become the national team manager? Isn't that likely to be an unpopular appointment?
He spent half a billion with nothing to show for. Failed miserably at Cardiff, 10m+ per season manager, who was on the verge of sacking every 3 months. Signed a 200m+ defence that's lacking all sorts of composure and structure. Signed Sancho and doesn't know how to use him, resulting him getting dropped from the English NT.He'll get a job in top 5 leagues if not PL specifically. This season apart when the wheels fell off, he was doing a good job - meeting expectations, players were happy, is not controversial, showed good squad building abilities.
Not being able to take the final step doesnt make him a shit manager, will just mean that he isn't an elite manager. Plenty of managers fail, nearly every tenure ends with them getting sacked and there's no shame in failing at United.
You'll find there are many Norwegians who don't give a shit about football beyond the national team, and they still view Ole as a national treasure. Then there are many yet who only follow their local teams and the national team.Going by the posts in this thread about Ole being underwhelming in Norway, why do so many think he'll become the national team manager? Isn't that likely to be an unpopular appointment?
Thing is, some fans have convinced themselves that he has done some cracking work here in terms of man management, cultural reset, progress, 2nd place, happy environment etc. The problem is, a-lot of those metrics are simply bullshit for a top level club, and this famed second place finish came with major caveats. When you scrutinise these buzz phrases deeper, they can be called out for the nonsense that they are. Don't get me wrong, initially he done some good work, but when the main defense of him after nearly 3 years are fluffy buzz phrases - because he's had no discernible on-field success to judge him by - then you know things are utterly fecked.it’s mind boggling this is even debatable. Even Newcastle would have zero interest right now.
I think so, too.I don't think he will want one. He looks utterly broken, he doesn't need the cash, especially when he gets his 7 million quid sacking bonus. This will finish him as a manager.
Good post. Agree with everythingThing is, some fans have convinced themselves that he has done some cracking work here in terms of man management, cultural reset, progress, 2nd place, happy environment etc. The problem is, a-lot of those metrics are simply bullshit for a top level club, and this famed second place finish came with major caveats. When you scrutinise these buzz phrases deeper, they can be called out for the nonsense that they are. Don't get me wrong, initially he done some good work, but when the main defense of him after nearly 3 years are fluffy buzz phrases, because he's had no discernible on-field success to judge him by, then you know things are utterly fecked.
Outside the bubble of Manchester United, he's seen as the man that's won nothing with us after 3 years and poses no danger of winning anything meaningful. Some though, will keep believing to themselves that he's done some fantastic job, but only failed at the last hurdle. I find that notion to be absolutely ludicrous. The proof will be in the pudding when he leaves, and I'm confident he won't have much of a managerial career once he leaves.
The "no trophy in 4 years" ends the argument.Outside the bubble of Manchester United, he's seen as the man that's won nothing with us after 3 years and poses no danger of winning anything meaningful.
Give him loads of money and he'll win you nothing.A chequebook manager but without trophies? I doubt that any PL clubs would want that.
To be fair, that's what I was saying really. When you drop down to where you haven't got those incredibly talented players, so therefore a system is way more important, I don't think he has it in him to do that.He's nothing but decent, he's infact awful. Sure 2nd and all that, but he obtained that with 300M spending and a United Squad with things to prove. The more he meddles the worse we become.
And why? It's not like there's shortage of candidate. Managers like him are dime dozen. He's hardly SAF
Not sure if they’re equals, wouldn’t compare their managerial ability but Lampard was twice the player Ole was and never embarrassed himself to a level OGS has. His reputation following Chelsea exit was much higher than Ole’s after he finally leaves usSee Frank Lampard. Unless he strikes lucky and takes a big job in the Championship and gets promoted, he has no chance.
The pair of them are equals as managers, and Lampard is obviously damaged goods after the way Tuchel made that Chelsea team successful in the same season.
Who's going to give him 300m to spend and pray their top rivals all have their worst seasons in years?He'll get a job in top 5 leagues if not PL specifically. This season apart when the wheels fell off, he was doing a good job - meeting expectations, players were happy, is not controversial, showed good squad building abilities.
Not being able to take the final step doesnt make him a shit manager, will just mean that he isn't an elite manager. Plenty of managers fail, nearly every tenure ends with them getting sacked and there's no shame in failing at United.
I see a lot of people saying this, but I don't think it's likely he'll go back to coaching in Norway at all. Think he's too prideful to take such a step down. Plus, Norwegian football has been notoriously shit, but the quality of coaching has evolved quite a bit in recent years. The national team finally has a proven manager who actually knows what he's doing. Unless Solbakken fails miserably and nobody else is available I don't think he'll get the Norway job anytime soon.Going by the posts in this thread about Ole being underwhelming in Norway, why do so many think he'll become the national team manager? Isn't that likely to be an unpopular appointment?
Moyes still had a solid resume from his Everton days. Ole has nothing but a smile.He fared better than Moyes who had no issues waltzing into jobs after United
Lampard did a lot better than Ole in Championship though. If Ole leaves and we see improvement under the next manager, his stock would arguably be even lower than Lampard's. Plus outside United - quite universally - only one of them is seen as legendary player, and the other as good but unremarkable United squad player, who scored a legendary goal.See Frank Lampard. Unless he strikes lucky and takes a big job in the Championship and gets promoted, he has no chance.
The pair of them are equals as managers, and Lampard is obviously damaged goods after the way Tuchel made that Chelsea team successful in the same season.
Moyes only got back as he had at least proven to be able to manage a mid table PL team. It's now become clear that this is his level. I don't think that Ole could keep any team outside of the big 6 in the PL.He isn't getting one straight away. He'll have to try the Moyes / Schteve route and go via Spain / Holland or somewhere first I would think. If he even wants to of course. You have to assume he's doing his dream job right now, maybe if that's over he'll be happy to retire, who knows?
Frank was shite at Chelsea but I expect time and the general goodwill towards him will write off that spell as too much too soon, he'll manage in the Prem again if he fancies it.See Frank Lampard. Unless he strikes lucky and takes a big job in the Championship and gets promoted, he has no chance.
The pair of them are equals as managers, and Lampard is obviously damaged goods after the way Tuchel made that Chelsea team successful in the same season.