I'm not really sure what hidden abilities the pundits see in Ole, all i can see is a manager who has taken the club as far as he is capable, but who is lacking in ability to take the club where it needs/deserves to be.
Ole’s former team-mates who are now pundits refusing to call a spade a spade
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No. Pretty much everyone thats not his mate has called him out. Even the neutral presenters have halted him on countless occasions and ask him to expand on the pile of shite hes spouted.
Thats not me, thats the majority. Can even look at this thread as fan representation to known its not just me.
Hes tripe and I am far from the only one who thinks it.
Yeah Scholes. Looks like social media has brought worst out of Neville. It's like he is at war against twitter fans, taking dumb stance just to prove twitter fans wrong. He is coming out of it looking much worse, even his colleagues are laughing at him.
I'd take Michael Jackson over what we've got
I’d take the Michael Jackson statue Fulham had over what’s we’ve got.
then what is the point in having them pundit games if they are not honest?
a pointless exercise no?
Well that’s been my concern for a while and was the major factor in me giving Ole so much time but this right now is damaging the club, you can’t go out and get absolutely battered by your bitter rivals and then get absolutely schooled by your local rivals… just can’t happen.
I want Ten Haag and was willing to let Ole see out the season rather than get a caretaker manager in but this is unsustainable. Too bad for our image on the commercial side as well you would think.
Danny Murphy on Match of the day said that United need to change the manager if they want to win the league. Crazy that former Liverpool and City players are the ones speaking the most sense.
Neville furiously fought Mourinho’s corner and stated that he needed time and must not be sacked.
last night he called Mourinho a failure.
So why was he so vocal at the time in supporting him if he thought he was a failure?
What was Neville’s agenda back then? The guy contradicts himself over and over.
last night he called Mourinho a failure.
So why was he so vocal at the time in supporting him if he thought he was a failure?
What was Neville’s agenda back then? The guy contradicts himself over and over.
It’s not crazy at all. In fact it’s completely logical and makes 100% sense that people who have no affiliation to the club can be the most honest.
I'm not one for having a go at pundits, but Neville truly embarrassed himself yesterday.
I'd take the plinth of Michael Jackson's statue at Fulham over what we've got now
You have to accept that there's years between each statement.
When Mourinho was in the job Neville clearly thought that given time he would eventually turn it around. That's Neville's core belief that Managers should have time to try and turn bad situations around - it's fine to have this opinion. The guy knows the football industry inside out, the knowledge he has is immense. It's silly morons online think they know more about the inner workings of football than him.
What he says about Mourinho yesterday is a retrospective analysise, with the benefit of hindsight.
There's nothing wrong with what he's saying. We all change our mind or view things a bit differently over time.
Well, of couse, one only needs to point out Neville's hypocrisy, as evidenced by Salford City sacking managers faster than Neville can say "Ole in".
This is another thing that just makes no sense to me. If my friend is in a job that he is failing at I would tell him. Thats what a friend does. You dont have to be an arse about it. Just tell some truths.
Here you go Neville - 'I think Ole has done an amazing job. Just think back when he took over from Mourinho what a toxic atmosphere it was, he brought in some fantastic players, he came second in the league, everyone loves him and he is a legend. However sometimes its just time to move on. I wouldnt say thats a failure. Thats a success. He is a club legend and he always will be, but circumstances change and sometimes its just the right time for someone else to come in with new ideas. etc etc Blah blah blah.
Just put in a good way. How hard is that? Pretending and lieing to your friends makes you a fkin idiot. Its not loyal at all.
Here you go Neville - 'I think Ole has done an amazing job. Just think back when he took over from Mourinho what a toxic atmosphere it was, he brought in some fantastic players, he came second in the league, everyone loves him and he is a legend. However sometimes its just time to move on. I wouldnt say thats a failure. Thats a success. He is a club legend and he always will be, but circumstances change and sometimes its just the right time for someone else to come in with new ideas. etc etc Blah blah blah.
Just put in a good way. How hard is that? Pretending and lieing to your friends makes you a fkin idiot. Its not loyal at all.
Nevelle and Keano dont criticize Mc|Tominay but put all blame on Fred
Nevelle and Keano always put blame on the team than coaching setup and manager.
They lost my respect on that aspect.
Nevelle and Keano always put blame on the team than coaching setup and manager.
They lost my respect on that aspect.
He thinks it makes him a better fan to support the manager at all costs. He's an absolute moron. Literally shows that he doesn't use any logic when making these claims but rather it's based of some sense or moral superiority.
Why even talk or listen to a person that self admits they don't use logic
Do you know that Salford City Peter Lim is the majority owner, then the co92 each owner about 10% of the club. Gary Neville doesn't decide everything at Salford.
He does have some say as he said on Sky the other week it was one of his regrets sacking a manager at Salford so quickly.
I’ve said this for a few weeks now but if one player is underperforming and looking lost it’s probably on the player. If it’s every single player then it’s on the manager and coaching staff. End of.
It is truly disgusting to see Gary "the Oracle" Neville scrambling to protect Ole. Ole's second place is celebrated but Jose and van Gaal's performances were dramatic?? what we've seen in recent weeks was even worse than the heyday of Moyesball and Van Gaal's replay. If "friends" can't be honest about that yet, I wonder when they will. When the club is midtable and out of the ucl? By then it will be to late and they’ll be talking bout giving him time and the money he needs to get back on top next season
It’s telling that Soeness and Richards can do this while secretly hoping that Ole will be appointed for life.
It’s telling that Soeness and Richards can do this while secretly hoping that Ole will be appointed for life.
I get that it takes a terrible friend to apply extra pressure on your already under pressure mate but when you consider that unbiased and fair criticism is what they get PAID (alot) for, I begin to lose sympathy for them.
You can’t go into punditry especially as an ex-united player and not expect to be put in these types of positions. The line all these pundits recycle about not wanting to call for a manager to get sacked is ridiculous as they feel more than free to draw out and grill individual players, essentially feeding them to the fans and media for criticism.
Again, this isnt necessarily a bad thing, its what they’re PAID for so it makes no sense why the same logic cant be applied for the manager. We all see how Keane humiliated Maguire last time out, Fred today, and De Gea against Tottenham after the restart so why is it such a sin to say there may be a change needed?
You can’t go into punditry especially as an ex-united player and not expect to be put in these types of positions. The line all these pundits recycle about not wanting to call for a manager to get sacked is ridiculous as they feel more than free to draw out and grill individual players, essentially feeding them to the fans and media for criticism.
Again, this isnt necessarily a bad thing, its what they’re PAID for so it makes no sense why the same logic cant be applied for the manager. We all see how Keane humiliated Maguire last time out, Fred today, and De Gea against Tottenham after the restart so why is it such a sin to say there may be a change needed?
These match going fans seem to betray your opinion though, as did the boos and ironic cheers for DvBThe majority of football fans are idiots
This forum does not represent the opinion of Manchester United fans.
Go to Old Trafford, fan opinion is completely different there to what it is on here & social media.
Been to OT plenty of times and not everyone there has their head in the sand about the managers.
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Ive been to most our home games this season, 2 in Stretford end and a few dotted around.The majority of football fans are idiots
This forum does not represent the opinion of Manchester United fans.
Go to Old Trafford, fan opinion is completely different there to what it is on here & social media.
Most of the fans there agree Neville chats shite, trust me.
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Mctominay is always given favorable treatment because he's an academy product who is Scottish and works hard. His mediocrity is usually skimmed over.
Home support at Old Trafford not being outwardly negative towards the manager does not equate to them thinking he's any longer the right person for the job.The majority of football fans are idiots
This forum does not represent the opinion of Manchester United fans.
Go to Old Trafford, fan opinion is completely different there to what it is on here & social media.
Yes, I said he has 10% stake in Salford. He will have his say but it's not his decision.
Redcaf, the largest online community for United fans don't represent the views of the club, but the lads you sit next to at OT do
.We all would like him to succeed, but if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...
This weird nepotism from his ex colleagues is damaging the club. The refusal to point out his shortcomings but quickly pile onto an underperforming player is hypocritical. These former players are contributing to this divide in the fanbase. Then some fans, and you appear to be one of them, take their word as gospel and and try and lecture others on the virtues of supporting the club.
We all want what's best for the club, but sticking fingers in ears to drown out very valid questions about the manager and his ability, of lack thereof, helps nobody.
You genuinely don’t see the hypocrisy in your post? Is it OK to single out players and call them by name - to make things specific - but then speak in nebulous, roundabout, open to interpretation terminology when it comes to the man/men who are running and coaching the show? If you answer, ‘yes’, can you tell me why it’s OK to put players above the parapet, whilst simultaneously keeping those instructing them as far out of the line of fire as humanly possible?Very true, so why does everyone throw a fit when pundits aren’t outwardly negative towards the manager? (Even though they have been)
They probably think he isn’t right for the job deep down, but if they don’t want to shout it from the rooftops like a lot of fans at Old Trafford don’t either then so be it. Gary, Roy & Scholesy are fans of the club just like us.
I take their word as gospel yet you’re getting worked up in a forum because they won’t say the words ‘sacked’ or ‘fired’
They don’t damage the club, their opinion literally means nothing to the decision makers here.
Your last sentence: do you think the likes of Neville and Keane carry no weight or power of influence? Do you seriously believe Neville had no influence when he used Sky to rally against the Super League? If they cannot be objective, why should either of them comment on United games? Might as well just tune into MUTV.
Perhaps he's actually being smart and saying that the root cause of the problem is not the manager. In which case he'd be right.
If all else fails create a strawman.Very true, so why does everyone throw a fit when pundits aren’t outwardly negative towards the manager? (Even though they have been)
They probably think he isn’t right for the job deep down, but if they don’t want to shout it from the rooftops like a lot of fans at Old Trafford don’t either then so be it. Gary, Roy & Scholesy are fans of the club just like us.
I take their word as gospel yet you’re getting worked up in a forum because they won’t say the words ‘sacked’ or ‘fired’
They don’t damage the club, their opinion literally means nothing to the decision makers here.
Because it's just entertainment. It's not politics, there's nothing riding on what they say. No implications.
A pundit without a personal connection to Solskjaer will say he has to go, but I don’t know why folk on here find it difficult to accept maybe some of Solskjaer’s former teammates don’t want to stick the knife in.
Who on here would honestly do that to a close friend? I mean, Keane has pretty much said it without saying it, but if he did, would it tip the balance? Would it really get Solskjaer fired? No.
One is inclined to think results and performance would get you fired, but with Solskjaer it hasn’t happened. I doubt if all Solskjaer’s friends on pundit duties said collectively “He’s shite” on Sky TV …and it’s LIVE! it would not get him binned.
The stay of execution has taken place in the boardroom and one has to wonder who wields the power to persuade the board? I genuinely wonder if it is Ferguson. The man who probably suggested Solskjaer be appointed in the first place. If that’s true, Ferguson’s heart is in the right place, but his belief Solskjaer can turn it around, probably isn’t.
With all due respect to Ferguson, a genius who knows more about football than I.
Probably longest post I’ve ever made here. I’ll get me coat…
Who on here would honestly do that to a close friend? I mean, Keane has pretty much said it without saying it, but if he did, would it tip the balance? Would it really get Solskjaer fired? No.
One is inclined to think results and performance would get you fired, but with Solskjaer it hasn’t happened. I doubt if all Solskjaer’s friends on pundit duties said collectively “He’s shite” on Sky TV …and it’s LIVE! it would not get him binned.
The stay of execution has taken place in the boardroom and one has to wonder who wields the power to persuade the board? I genuinely wonder if it is Ferguson. The man who probably suggested Solskjaer be appointed in the first place. If that’s true, Ferguson’s heart is in the right place, but his belief Solskjaer can turn it around, probably isn’t.
With all due respect to Ferguson, a genius who knows more about football than I.
Probably longest post I’ve ever made here. I’ll get me coat…
It’s not about being objective, obviously certain people will always be highly subjective - we accept Carragher hating United and Neville joking about Liverpool, but for serious topics they all need to be as objective as humanly possible. These guys, or «this lot» as OGS would annoyingly put it, are quite simply keeping their own truths away feom honest journalism, which is unprofessional and very far from being an expert. So-called expert that is, most of these former players don’t know more than you or me, except for locker room-stuff of course.
but it’s pointless regardless.
There's no good argument against Conte and Neville has to argue against him to avoid being forced to decide on Ole so he makes stuff up like "Not a good fit" or "Well Jose was successful and he failed so successful managers don't work".
Nonsense. You're paid to be a professional pundit and remain neutral. Say things as it is.