Avoiding defeat against Watford and Villarreal (12th in La Liga) is our aim.
Ole Sack Watch
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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At the current state we wont be able to beat Palace.
If we lose to Villarreal it’s out of our hands (assuming Atalanta beat young boys).
Give me some of that optimism - We will definitely lose to Villarreal.
By which time we may be fighting with many other teams in mid-table.
Seriously though, why the f*ck is he still here?
The standard one win every 3 games will be enough to keep him all season at this rate..
The standard one win every 3 games will be enough to keep him all season at this rate..
i think he's much better when he's not talking about us, City or Liverpool, with us it's always the players fault and with the other 2 he tries too hard to come off unbiased. This time he's finding it harder as Maguire and Shaw have been atrocious but he won't criticise the English lads and McTominay gets a pass as he's from the academy, the only one he sniped at a bit the other day was Bruno, but he knows this squad isn't the issue nor is the lack of effort, the players have bailed Ole out in Europe in particular, we just look totally uncoached as a unit, players don’t know their jobs and that's a coaching issue.
gotta love the spin of the club/ole in supporters. Ignore the fact about how poor we have looked for so long now-going back to even last season. Ignore the fact that ronaldo has saved our asses in UCL and we have only led for like 17 minutes so far this UCL campaign. Everything is just alllll fineeeee and no changes needed. If only other boards acted like this and we wouldnt have to face klopp/tuchel/pep because theyd still all have their old managers there. This club needs to stop trying to capture the magic of SAF and the class of 92 crap and get with the times.
I'm done with the club until Ole is sacked. I'll still follow what's going on but I'm not watching any more matches. It's just infuriating to see an obvious problem for so long and the board being utterly clueless & incompetent to do anything about it. The meltdown has been early enough in the season to salvage some of it (secure CL knockout qualification, be able to make top 4). But the inaction will set us back for next year, and then we have to reset once again. It's just so infuriating to think about.
What is truly tragic is that this year is the most open at the top of the Premier League for years.
Anyone could still win it!
However our board don't want to accept they made the wrong choice in going "all in" on Ole.
Pride comes before a fall!
Anyone could still win it!
However our board don't want to accept they made the wrong choice in going "all in" on Ole.
Pride comes before a fall!
I purposely booked in work for the Liverpool and City games, my thoughts are, if the club doesn’t give a feck, why should I.
This was an experiment from the start, I never liked it but you crack on and hope for the best, but for us after 3 years and 400m to be as shite as this season would be horrendous enough for a manager with Pep’s fecking CV, let alone Solksjaer’s.
The only reason to keep him is cause he and Phelan are Fergie’s mates, there isn’t another single reason, even the world’s biggest numpty can see that he’s further away from Klopp and Pep after 3 years and 400m so I refuse to believe anyone thinks he’ll just suddenly turn into one of the greatest managers in the game.
And before anyone harps on, if we spent on a Villa budget, I’d expect that standard, we don’t, we spend and talk like the very top 5 on the planet so of course that’s what we should fecking expect.
I still think he’ll be gone this week but I won’t be watching for a while if he somehow stays, I can’t be arsed if the club can’t.
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Technical director, DoF... shares similar situation just like manager and head coach thing. SAF as manager can take a lot more responsibility at the club. He can have his assistant manager doing a pseudo manager job for the team in his place, while he's spending time doing technical director/ DoF such as selling the club to prospective recruits to the first team, even the academy.
So all these technical director, DoF titles from different clubs don't necessarily mean the same role. If Kehl is in succession plan to replace Zorc, then he's not only doing the easy job, but also involved in every aspect of his supposed next job.
Supporting from below is not the same as mentoring with authority from above. You learn to cook from your chief chef not from ingredient suppliers, ingredient preppers, janitor... because once you become the chief chef you're tasked with authority to make change. Your underlings would always try to make themselves positive in your eyes. If you don't advent yourself, you better have a mentor (higher in authority) to burst that bubble in order to show you all the in and out.
As for our structure, even our DoF doesn't have authority to act on behalf of the club to sack the manager. Already very different to Dortmund set up, so it's not a straight forward comparison.
There is no evidence of Fletcher doing a good job. There is no lacking of talent in our youth set up, before his time. For the first team, there are no players we sign that's solely evident based on whatever vision we supposed to sell to them; because we lack an identity to begin with.
Would you see that we can sell half the first team and flood in the youth and play a cohesive style with a new manager in no time? I meant if only the manager/first team coaching staffs failure, a change there wouldn't take long to change the first team outlook. Overseeing the vision/philosophy is a duty for technical director at some clubs too after all.
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My God, this is infuriating.
I think I'm done with United until either he, the Glazers or both are gone.
I think I'm done with United until either he, the Glazers or both are gone.
This has been my feeling for some time but I have lost all sort of entertainment about watching United. For me watching United has started to become more of a job rather than a hobby. Previously if there was a match, I'll try to clear my schedule so that I have some good fun watching the game. Now it feels like "Shit, there's a game today, I'll have to somehow free time I could have spent doing something more useful to watch it".
It's a shame that I'm feeling this way but I just can't ignore it. I now get more angry when we don't win not because of the result but because I felt I wasted my time watching a shit game without any benefit coming from it when I could have used this time better.
That's how United had made me feel especially last few seasons under Ole. I just don't find any sort of entertainment from watching United games. It's a job now that I have to do, not 2 hours of having some fun away from life problems.
Where do I even start.
Our attack is predictable. Against City, we couldn't get the ball out of our own half. The identity of this team last year was one of never giving up. This year, that identity has changed and look at what we have become. We start games slow and are usually playing catch up for a better part of the game. There is no creativity. Teams play us for the logical play. Watch us bring the ball up. So slow, moving it side to side slower than the team we are playing against, until we opt to pass it in after a segment of the most predictable play ever. Our defense is slow. Our pressing is horrible. Our set pieces are garbage. These are all things coaches should be helping with.
I've said this before and I will say it again. Shaw and Mcguire both look spent. I think they as well as a lot of "England" national players have hit a bit of a slump after the euros.
While I am listing unpopular opinions, Im not sold on Carrick. I still think he offers nothing to the team and looks dumbfounded half of the time.
Great players don't make great coaches. United need to drop that mindset and look to securing a coach that can get more out of a team that collectively we could argue has more talent than every other team in the PL..
At this point, I can see our season slipping away. We will be lucky to make it to the next round of the Champions League and at this rate of play will get bounced in the first game in the elimination round.
With the lies of West Ham, Aresenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Mancity and tottenham (yes tottenham) and Liciester... we will struggle for top 4 in the league.
So potentially no CL next year, another early bounce this year and starring down the barrel of another Europa League next season. That should really help our recruiting going forward.
One more thing that chaps my arse.... why in the world does Ole start the same team that for lack of better words has been subpar this season.
When Donnie came on in the late 2nd half his mindset was that of deception and quickness. Man City had a bit of problem with him because he was not playing like the other United players. Fred is likable but offensively he is horrendous. Bruno is fantastic offensively, but his closing down leaves something to be desired defensively. McTominay and Fred play soo close together, that it hurts the team. You can have quick passing and such when the players are incapable of playing in small spaces.
Our attack is predictable. Against City, we couldn't get the ball out of our own half. The identity of this team last year was one of never giving up. This year, that identity has changed and look at what we have become. We start games slow and are usually playing catch up for a better part of the game. There is no creativity. Teams play us for the logical play. Watch us bring the ball up. So slow, moving it side to side slower than the team we are playing against, until we opt to pass it in after a segment of the most predictable play ever. Our defense is slow. Our pressing is horrible. Our set pieces are garbage. These are all things coaches should be helping with.
I've said this before and I will say it again. Shaw and Mcguire both look spent. I think they as well as a lot of "England" national players have hit a bit of a slump after the euros.
While I am listing unpopular opinions, Im not sold on Carrick. I still think he offers nothing to the team and looks dumbfounded half of the time.
Great players don't make great coaches. United need to drop that mindset and look to securing a coach that can get more out of a team that collectively we could argue has more talent than every other team in the PL..
At this point, I can see our season slipping away. We will be lucky to make it to the next round of the Champions League and at this rate of play will get bounced in the first game in the elimination round.
With the lies of West Ham, Aresenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Mancity and tottenham (yes tottenham) and Liciester... we will struggle for top 4 in the league.
So potentially no CL next year, another early bounce this year and starring down the barrel of another Europa League next season. That should really help our recruiting going forward.
One more thing that chaps my arse.... why in the world does Ole start the same team that for lack of better words has been subpar this season.
When Donnie came on in the late 2nd half his mindset was that of deception and quickness. Man City had a bit of problem with him because he was not playing like the other United players. Fred is likable but offensively he is horrendous. Bruno is fantastic offensively, but his closing down leaves something to be desired defensively. McTominay and Fred play soo close together, that it hurts the team. You can have quick passing and such when the players are incapable of playing in small spaces.
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If Whitwell is right I will certainly be one of the fans who want us to lose v Watford if that gets him out.
However the cretins who manage Solskjaer are just as bad as he is so they'll probably still stick with him anyway. He is like their version of McFred, they see something in Ole that is clearly not there but will just continue to pick him.
I think our only hope is player power getting him out.
However the cretins who manage Solskjaer are just as bad as he is so they'll probably still stick with him anyway. He is like their version of McFred, they see something in Ole that is clearly not there but will just continue to pick him.
I think our only hope is player power getting him out.
I agree with that sentiment. As fans, we invest too much emotionally into our club but if the people in charge of the club prove to be selfish and not bothered by what's going on, why should I waste my time? The product right now is unwatchable and makes me feel more miserable than I already am, why should I bother? Ole may be a club legend but he's still an incredibly selfish person who is not willing to give up this job and walk away, despite being completely out of his depth. The thing is that it's inevitable that Ole gets sacked at some point. He could still gain some good will from the fans by resigning but he won't do that. I don't even want to talk about the board, it's beyond my understanding at this point. Just a sad, tragic situation for United fans who have already put up with a lot of misery since Fergie retired.
It's explained in various reports what his role is. I'm not sure why you're getting hung up on his title at the club.
Yes there is evidence of him being good at his job, because otherwise we wouldn't have been able to persuade the likes of Varane from Real Madrid and young Ethan Ennis from Liverpool, where his parents needed to be convinced to jump from a team that is our fierce rivals, and we beat out Chelsea to sign him.
If you are genuine then it really isnt.
We are so fecked.
Do they not realise that Conte, Tuchel, Klopp and Pep are the default top 4?
How do you expect sponsorships to come in if you kill your brand?
Kids and the upcoming generations won't want to support losers.
So shortsighted it's staggering how they can be considered business men.
Do they not realise that Conte, Tuchel, Klopp and Pep are the default top 4?
How do you expect sponsorships to come in if you kill your brand?
Kids and the upcoming generations won't want to support losers.
So shortsighted it's staggering how they can be considered business men.
Why is it always one more fecking game with the board and Ole? Is the last couple of weeks not enough evidence to show he’s finished here? So what happens if we beat Watford a game we really should be winning easily anyway, does that overrule any shite performances we then put in against Villarreal and Chelsea like it seems to have done with the Tottenham win before the Atalanta and City games. The vicious cycle continues.
UniTeD DnA!!!
Don't even know what to say anymore.
Club is absolutely fecked with the mentality it has from board to manager. Rotten to the core.
Club is absolutely fecked with the mentality it has from board to manager. Rotten to the core.
Depends what score we lose by, if we did lose and Ata beat YB:
MD5
Villarreal 10
Atalanta 8
United 7
YB 3
We'd finish on 10 if we beat YB on MD6, and finish above Atalanta unless they beat Villrreal.
If we & Villarreal both finish on 10, it goes down to head-to-head
Our record winning in Spain is dreadful, isn't it? Or am I wrong.
Yup, such is the absolute state of how our club is run.
We're sole runner in the PL for Varane. RM couldn't offer the wage he wanted for his status.
SAF failed to convince Michael Owen to join us before he made professional debut for Liverpool. Liverpool back then was hardly well run, not SAF lack attractiveness in youth promotion. Then we had SAF and young John Terry, a supposed United fan. Those thing happened.
There are many elements in place. Too naive and simple to associate those as success to Fletcher. Liverpool pathway to the first team is not easy. They have been selling off youth for a few years now. Chelsea similarly. They're selling because they're packed now, meaning they did good in the past. Are we doing better than them, or we're benefiting from lagging behind. However, we're destined to end up like them as our cycle would soon reach the same end?! No pathway to first team, and scattergun approach in term of first team recruitment. Vision, a foundation on style of play consistency through the rank. Where is it? Is Fletcher heavily involved in that duty?
The reasonable assumption was that the 3 games to save his job thing was the board buying time to find a contingency but this whole time they just had their fingers crossed and hoping for the best!
The perfect bosses for Solksjaer.
Talk about wrecking your legacy at every turn.
The perfect bosses for Solksjaer.
Talk about wrecking your legacy at every turn.
Shit this is bad. Really bad. We literally don't have a clue do we
It's at the stage now where I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, 90% of RedCafe would do a better job running the club than these plonkers.
I clearly remember many of us stating that we should have been looking at managers like Tuchel and Poch when they were available. How can we have more of a clue than the club? And they're openly admitting they just don't have a clue through their mouthpiece journos.
This is absolutely diabolical now. Something drastic has to happen from the fans or maybe the players to put a rocket up their backsides.
I don't care if you're one of these that doesn't want to go against Ole, I kind of get it. But even you must realise that he's not the man for the job but the club are just going to stick with him no matter what. Does that not worry you? It's seriously time every one of our supporters pulled their head out of their backsides and see exactly what is unfolding here, because I feel like it's falling on deaf ears.
The club think they have nowhere to turn after Ole. This is Manchester fecking United we're talking about. We're literally being run by morons.
It's at the stage now where I can say, without a shadow of a doubt, 90% of RedCafe would do a better job running the club than these plonkers.
I clearly remember many of us stating that we should have been looking at managers like Tuchel and Poch when they were available. How can we have more of a clue than the club? And they're openly admitting they just don't have a clue through their mouthpiece journos.
This is absolutely diabolical now. Something drastic has to happen from the fans or maybe the players to put a rocket up their backsides.
I don't care if you're one of these that doesn't want to go against Ole, I kind of get it. But even you must realise that he's not the man for the job but the club are just going to stick with him no matter what. Does that not worry you? It's seriously time every one of our supporters pulled their head out of their backsides and see exactly what is unfolding here, because I feel like it's falling on deaf ears.
The club think they have nowhere to turn after Ole. This is Manchester fecking United we're talking about. We're literally being run by morons.
Exactly who are the realistic caretaker candidates?
Even Cardiff have higher standards than us.
I think one thing we’ve learned from this debacle is that, whenever you think the club cannot possibly be that incompetent and illogical - well, it bloody well can!
Just watched the Whitwell thing on Stratford paddock, it’s interesting but I’m not sure he knows anymore than anyone else, his assessment seemed more like an opinion rather than something he actually knows but he lost me at “Pogba has affection for the club”, clearly a charlatan.
Who does Ole get to be doing factually worse than Jose with a much better squad and keep his job.
I'm literally tearing my hair out at how mental this all is.
The club is a mess and almost **** like in its willingness to pretend that we are doing the right thing to not let Ole go
I've nothing against Ole but it's literal insanity that he is still our manager.
Well and truly an appointment very purposely chosen to drop standards
I'm literally tearing my hair out at how mental this all is.
The club is a mess and almost **** like in its willingness to pretend that we are doing the right thing to not let Ole go
I've nothing against Ole but it's literal insanity that he is still our manager.
Well and truly an appointment very purposely chosen to drop standards
This as well as the rest of the lads wanting out is a major reason why Ole can't continue.
Imagine losing Ronaldo Pogba and many others wanting out all in the same summer.
The embarrassment would be crazy.
And Ronnie would be correct to leave as he is too old for us to be wasting his last few years of his career
I’m reaching a stage where I hope this happens to force some action from the club. Perhaps before the Jan transfer window.
We did the same with LVG. Until November we were first but our football was so dull, but his stuborness stagnated us. If we had changed the manager at late November would qualify from our group stage and who knows what we could have achieved in the end. I still can't believe that we kept LVG instead of going for Kloop.
1. The club, especially the board and our manager are the one who’re distance themselves from reality. Our online fans reacts to what they see.
2. Olle “has done fine up til now‘‘? If I’m very polite that’s more than debatable. With all the new players he has bought, most of them costing a fortune, I will say that his results so far is by far below expectations. Not to mention that we more then often looks like a unorganized pub team filled with world class players. Should I mention his so called man management? How often he integrates youth? The way he deals with injured players?
3. ‘We can’t hire Cont, or anyone else who will take us back”? I don’t need to comment on that because the stupidity in that line speaks for itself.
There are some good things he has done but in the end this is a result based business. Right now even a empty chair is better then a incompetent manager who according to various reports has lost half of the dressing room. The results don’t lie and what we supporters see with our own eyes is even worse.
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