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He is a possession based manager first and foremost, I remember when he was signed his first half season was not that much different to AVB, crab football, side to side and back then he did push on. He developed our best time, Walker and Rose changing from full backs to wing backs and Dier dropping into defence. Your term functional is probably his default but when he gets things right we were very dynamic. As for the top 6, yeah we always did come up a bit sort, but we always seemed to when it mattered, Spursy is the term.
When you say his default I presume you mean how he generally sets up unless the opponent requires something different
 

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My dream team would be Rangnick now to stir the ship and Ten Hag later (with Rangnick promoted to a sort of football CEO role). Thus we would have a sly old fox cleaning the mess Mates FC had left only for Ten Hag to join the club and grow under the German's wing just as so many other managers did (Tuchel, Nagelsmann etc). Unfortunately that won't be happening anytime soon.

Under such circumstances I'd rather have Pochs then Ten Hag. The reason being

a- Pochs comes with his entourage of coaches. That means that most of Mates FC will be shown the door
b- Pochs knows what a toxic club is, having worked with both PSG and Spurs. He won't be easily intimidated by Woodward. Ten Hag had always worked at a well drilled club. There's every chance that he would be duped to keep mates FC thanks to a quiet word from SAF and VDS.
c- Pochs knows the EPL very well. He knows the opposition and what to expect in it. Dutch managers tend to be purists which means that they will stick to their 'philosophy' till the very end. That can lead to some spectacular failures (LVG, Koeman, De Boer).
Yeah would be my dream scenario as well but don't see it happening in a million years, you do make a very valid point about dutch managers always sticking to their principles and philosophies until the end though
 

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To be fair he responded to a text message Sir Alex sent congratulating them to say thank you.

A bit of a faux pas to reply so late but you make it sound like he drunkenly called him screaming Y N W A down the phone.
Which would have been a pretty fecking hilarious thing to do to be fair.
 

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Walker and Rose changing from full backs to wing backs and Dier dropping into defence
This isn't the case. Rose used to be a left winger, and was basically already a WB. He only played one season under AVB as a LB.

Dier was signed as a CB and played at RB and CB before Poch moved him to midfield. He only returned to defence under Jose
 

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When you say his default I presume you mean how he generally sets up unless the opponent requires something different
It means just keeping possession for the sake of not letting opposition to have the ball and cause damage, if I read his previous post right about Poch's initial time was similar to AvB ball
 

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Am I wrong if I say most of the supposed success signings happened during Poch time as head coach, where Spurs had recruitment team working independent to Poch, with someone like Paul Mitchell? I read some time during Poch time, he got himself promoted into manager having more power in transfer activity, and there was a shuffle of structure at Spurs, which saw Mitchell leaving having less influence at the club.
Its somewhat confusing, reports say Mitchell and Poch got on well, and Mitchell left cause of Levy. Then when you look at the history after Mitchell left Poch's new title changed from first team coach to manager so we can only assume. Even when we had a sporting director at that time we had a "transfer board" consisting of a few guys who made decisions as a group. At the end of the day back then it was Levy who signed off, so while Poch maybe gave the nod they may not have been his first choice.
 

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Am I wrong if I say most of the supposed success signings happened during Poch time as head coach, where Spurs had recruitment team working independent to Poch, with someone like Paul Mitchell? I read some time during Poch time, he got himself promoted into manager having more power in transfer activity, and there was a shuffle of structure at Spurs, which saw Mitchell leaving having less influence at the club.
Poch came in under Baldini, and moaned until he went.
Mitchell was brought in from Southampton, allegedly on Poch's wishes, and then Poch moaned until he was put on gardening leave.

He's rarely been good at picking transfers (see also, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...r-record-Southampton-Spurs-expect-summer.html) but the usual Spurs fan opinion is that anyone who worked out great was definitely Pochettino, and anyone who didn't wasn't. Most of the lustful Pochettino opinions are easily debunked by the data/evidence both sides of his time with us.
 

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Sorry he did, probbaly constrained by levy but.....

27. Clinton N’Jie

26. Benjamin Stambouli

25. Vincent Janssen

24. Federico Fazio

23. Georges-Kevin Nkoudou

22. Jack Clarke

21. Tanguy Ndombele

20. Ryan Sessegnon

19. Giovani Lo Celso

18. DeAndre Yedlin

17. Serge Aurier

16. Pau Lopez

15. Michel Vorm

14. Paulo Gazzaniga

13. Kevin Wimmer

12. Juan Foyth

11. Fernando Llorente

10. Victor Wanyama

9. Moussa Sissoko

8. Davinson Sanchez

7. Lucas Moura

6. Ben Davies

5. Kieran Trippier

4. Eric Dier

3. Toby Alderweireld

2. Dele Alli

1. Son Heung-min


Id classify 4-5 as a success..... ish.
He was very much limited on fees and wage bill, obviously. Hes far from perfect in transfers but lets not go overboard in criticism here.
 

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This isn't the case. Rose used to be a left winger, and was basically already a WB. He only played one season under AVB as a LB.

Dier was signed as a CB and played at RB and CB before Poch moved him to midfield. He only returned to defence under Jose
Poch had him in midfield and had that system where he dropped into defence, Dier is a shit midfielder and a decent CB. Yes he was signed as a CB yes, still remmeber him scoring against WH on his debut, but Poch's most successful time was when he dropped in. Rose was never an established winger, he only started playing regularly as a left back.
 

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My dream team would be Rangnick now to stir the ship and Ten Hag later (with Rangnick promoted to a sort of football CEO role). Thus we would have a sly old fox cleaning the mess Mates FC had left only for Ten Hag to join the club and grow under the German's wing just as so many other managers did (Tuchel, Nagelsmann etc). Unfortunately that won't be happening anytime soon.

Under such circumstances I'd rather have Pochs then Ten Hag. The reason being

a- Pochs comes with his entourage of coaches. That means that most of Mates FC will be shown the door
b- Pochs knows what a toxic club is, having worked with both PSG and Spurs. He won't be easily intimidated by Woodward. Ten Hag had always worked at a well drilled club. There's every chance that he would be duped to keep mates FC thanks to a quiet word from SAF and VDS.
c- Pochs knows the EPL very well. He knows the opposition and what to expect in it. Dutch managers tend to be purists which means that they will stick to their 'philosophy' till the very end. That can lead to some spectacular failures (LVG, Koeman, De Boer).
Think you are taking this whole “mates fc” a bit too seriously :lol:
 

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When you say his default I presume you mean how he generally sets up unless the opponent requires something different
Correct, initially its about possession and press, I do remember a few games, one against Liverpool in the league where he actively conceded position to break but that was rare
 

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Why would we get Poch? Terrible ending at Spurs and not much at PSG either. Out the cup, overrun by City. Not sure who else and suppose it’s at least an improvement on Ole but nah could do better
 

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To be fair he responded to a text message Sir Alex sent congratulating them to say thank you.

A bit of a faux pas to reply so late but you make it sound like he drunkenly called him screaming Y N W A down the phone.
Yeah. Dude is being a bit dramatic. :lol:
 

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He didn't spent huge amounts of money relative to City,Liverpool,United.
His CL final team cost feck all.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...-XI-costs-whopping-202MILLION-Tottenhams.html

What could he have done if Levy said here is another 200mil and our wage capacity will be up around the top end of the PL? That for me is the big question. I'm fine with us taking that gamble although I'd prefer Ten Hag.
But he did spend a huge amount of money.

£400m, that's huge no matter which two ways you look at it.

Especially for a club like Spurs, who don't really sit at the top table when it comes to expenditure.

The money only really dried up towards the latter transfer windows when the stadium costs hit home.
 

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Boring style, not a winner and won't be able to improve on Ole's 2nd and 3rd place finish. SAF is still having way too much influence and it's fecking us all over.
 

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But he did spend a huge amount of money.

£400m, that's huge no matter which two ways you look at it.

Especially for a club like Spurs, who don't really sit at the top table when it comes to expenditure.

The money only really dried up towards the latter transfer windows when the stadium costs hit home.
Blimey, didnt know he spent that much. That is alot of money.
 

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He’d be insane to leave PSG for United now

He will probably win the League and are “one” of the Champions Leagues favourites

Why in gods name would he leave that situation for the Turmoil at Utd?

At the end of the season perhaps, but now? He’d need sectioning
 

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He’d be insane to leave PSG for United now

He will probably win the League and are “one” of the Champions Leagues favourites

Why in gods name would he leave that situation for the Turmoil at Utd?

At the end of the season perhaps, but now? He’d need sectioning
TBF, English media is very warm to him. Having all kind of pressure from every directions at PSG (players, directors, home fans, media, fans from other league...); coming back to England is tempting. Tuchel success at Chelsea jumping the ship mid season, also encouraging (not exact same situation though) from his POV, perhaps?

Him at least winning the French league may prevent him from being seen as career ending failure, but it wouldn't boost his credential further, if his next goal is to manage historical big club, which is us. Given the chance, it's tempting.
 

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I’m not actually in favour of Poch but one thing I will say is that at least he’s showing his willingness to come (if these reports are true).

I want Ten Hag but I have a major issue with this won’t leave now stuff. Surely you can’t turn down the opportunity? You might not get it again.
 

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TBF, English media is very warm to him. Having all kind of pressure from every directions at PSG (players, directors, home fans, media, fans from other league...); coming back to England is tempting. Tuchel success at Chelsea jumping the ship mid season, also encouraging (not exact same situation though) from his POV, perhaps?

Him at least winning the French league may prevent him from being seen as career ending failure, but it wouldn't boost his credential further, if his next goal is to manage historical big club, which is us. Given the chance, it's tempting.
Tuchel left after already having x2 Ligue 1 titles under his belt

Poch has nothing under his belt yet, from anywhere.

He can almost guarantee a Ligue 1 title this season with potentially a CL Title on Top.

I just can’t fathom why any manager would jump ship from that, no matter who came calling.

Poch isn’t exactly at a small Club punching higher than expectations. PSG regardless of the league quality, is a European Giant with league title expectations and CL expectations.

United is in no way shape or form this season anywhere near in as an exciting position as what PSG are in ambition wise.

People go on about how Poch hasn’t won anything of note, yet expect him to leave his position where he could actually potentially win something of note (CL more so) for United who don’t look like winning anything this season of note.
 
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Pochettino is a fantastic coach, and a guy who genuinely seems to love football and implementing his own style and seemingly prepared to leave a vapid set up at psg with a near guaranteed title this season. He'd be a good fit for United if not my first choice and a damn sight better than a half arsed Zidane
 

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For a manager right now then Poch rather than Zidane just seems a better fit for us to me, mainly because I think Poch actually genuinely wants the job, and so will give us everything, whereas Zidane would feel forced, and would be looking for a way out pretty quickly.

If we have to wait until the summer then we need to keep our options open.
 

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Tuchel left after already having x2 Ligue 1 titles under his belt

Poch has nothing under his belt yet.

He can almost guarantee a Ligue 1 title this season with potentially a CL Title on Top.

I just can’t fathom why any manager would jump ship from that, no matter who came calling.

Poch isn’t exactly at a small Club punching higher than expectations. PSG regardless of the league quality, is a European Giant with league title expectations and CL expectations.

United is in no way shape or form this season anywhere near in as an exciting position as what PSG are in ambition wise.

People go on about Poch hasn’t won anything of note yet expect him to leave his position where he could actually potentially win something of note (CL more so)
He seems like a guy who prefer doing his own thing than winning. PSG for all the wealth is cut throat environment where different things dictates every day life of the manager and player.

I am not saying Poch situation is same as Tuchel. I am hypothesizing from Poch perspective. PSG has the players, but since it's difficult to get the tune out of all the superstar, a team good enough team that will listen to the manager, may be seen as better team for the manager. Ultimately you want to win CL. Why not start with a more comfortable environment? And United is the historical big club, he would actually like. Normally you're supposed to work it up to get to this kind of job. Now given the chance without proving the ability to win French league, itKs an attractive offer.

I repeat, this is hypothecial perspective.
 

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Blimey, didnt know he spent that much. That is alot of money.
People tend to fixate on 'net spend', which only really inflates the opinion of clubs that are awful at selling players. It isn't really any reliable measure of anything relevant.

That's why it tends to not get much attention. People are more interested in regurgitating the "shoestring budget" nonsense.
 

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Why would we get Poch? Terrible ending at Spurs and not much at PSG either. Out the cup, overrun by City. Not sure who else and suppose it’s at least an improvement on Ole but nah could do better
Ideally they would both be prepared to wait until the summer then could get Ten Hag
 
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