Said it for ages (or this year at least), I would like Ruben Amorim at the club. Admittedly he is very young and not tested in the big leagues but something about him just feels ready
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Ten Hag 1 - 0 Pochettino
Poch beat Ten Hag though
Watching how Ajax plays, their off the ball work, their transitioning into attack their shape without the ball and with it it's an absolute no brainer for me to give Ten Hag a chance. Stay away from Poch. PSG's work without the ball is abyssmal.
Haha good point!Poch beat Ten Hag though
I’m now uncompromising in my belief that until we employ a dominating style of play I’m not on board with any manager.
He's been dining on that for a few years thou. His Ole in Paris moment.Poch beat Ten Hag though
Completely off topic here, but that night was such a great feel good moment for the club
Out of curiosity with the current available pool of managers who would you chose?
Poch would be a monumental mistake.
All these Ten Hag vs Poch comparisons
Think it helps if you have a team/structure that suits the managers system.
Think it helps if you have a team/structure that suits the managers system.
Has to be Ten Hag out of the available options.
Honestly, it's mind-boggling people don't see this. In addition, Poch now give us a shout to challenge for the league next season.All these Ten Hag vs Poch comparisons
Think it helps if you have a team/structure that suits the managers system.
And if we are indeed building something football-wise at the club, Poch for 2-3 years gives us enough time to prep for Ten Hag.
You really think Ten Hag will still be available in 2-3 years?
Oh, no one is questioning that he played a high press. He certainly did. But the succesful Gegenpress style that Klopp is famous for is pretty much Klopp's invention. Developed at Mainz. Thomas Tuchel was a youth manager at the club at the time, and when he took over he was well versed in Klopp's style. They were at the same club (Mainz) when Klopp designed his style of play.
Rangnick himself has won very little as a manager, and his real call to fame is doing a good job as a DoF. He's never managed a big club, and never been in contention for a big job
Prep for what exactly? United are perfectly positioned to get him now/in the summer. Why would we want to risk waiting another 2-3 years when there’ll be an uncertainty of competition and suitors at that time? If anything what you just said proves Poch isn’t a long term solution for us.
And how is it that Poch gives us a shout at challenging for the title next szn but Ten Hag wouldn’t?
…doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me
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Ten Hag is not coming in the middle of the season. The time we'll waste and the short summer would make next season another top 4 challenge while Chelsea and City keep racking titles and cups (and god forbid, the scousers).
And if you think Ten Hag is going to be a guaranteed success, I have a bridge to sell you. No manager is guaranteed to succeed, so I'd give them 2-3 seasons and then get rid, Chelsea style.
Curious as to why you think he is available? He won't leave mid season and the fact he already knocked back Spurs and Barcelona this last off season suggests he is looking for a very specific job and with the current state we are in I highly doubt that is us. Personally I think he is nailed on to follow Pep at City either this summer or the next.
He would be 100% at the end of the season if we gave him whatever demands he wanted, within reason. Guardiola unfortunately will be around for a few more years yet, because that’s our luck.
..... So Ruben Amorim worth a punt?
Our board won't give him whatever demands he wanted though, that is a big part of the problem here when the cronyism on the board won't allow them to let anyone take any of their power or challenge them. Ten Hag would have to be willing to let bank executives make football decisions and he will have more attractive offers I am sure. So far as Pep goes, he has 18 months on his contract and shows no inclination to renew and if he can deliver the CL this season I expect he may well walk just as he did at Bayern and Barcelona because he will have accomplished what he wanted and will be on to the next challenge.
Hasnt Ten Hag already stated he doesnt want to come and wants to stay at Ajax for years? He wouldnt need to go that far saying that if he was going to leave. Im commited to Ajax would have done if he was thinking of leaving.
I think everyone is aware he’s not available this season so that’s not news. The next best thing would be to be a tad patient to reap the rewards in the long haul by going for an interim manager (Rangnick). Or even Valverde. What’s to say they can’t push for top4 this year but Poch would? …well who really cares because as far as we know, Poch is staying put at the moment with Zidane not taking the PSG job so I’m not bothered
United's football structure is geared up for any head coach right now IMO. But it could be particularly helpful to ten Hag because our head of recruitment (Marcel Bout) and head of European scouting (Henny de Regt) are both Dutch and both understand the requirements for ten Hag's blue print to come to fruition.
Honestly, the biggest issue is the dimwits in charge. I don't trust them to get it right for the end of season (I think we can still do something this season).I think everyone is aware he’s not available this season so that’s not news. The next best thing would be to be a tad patient to reap the rewards in the long haul by going for an interim manager (Rangnick). Or even Valverde. What’s to say they can’t push for top4 this year but Poch would? …well who really cares because as far as we know, Poch is staying put at the moment with Zidane not taking the PSG job so I’m not bothered
My main concern is the way our club is set up.
I desperately wanted Ten Hag then looked at how Ajax is set up an the way we are set up.
Edwin as a DoF
Are we going to facilitate that?
I would love to see it but highly doubt it will happen.
Even City brought Txiki in for Pep in 2012.
They had a vision of what type of players Pep wanted, the style of play he plays and integrated this throughout the club.
That's why they have a conveyer belt of players playing the way they do.
City unfortunately play the way Ten Hag can easily work with.
He comes here an he needs a whole structural change.
Wish the board would do it but unfortunately can't see it.
Don't think so.
I don't think he said that about us (the not wanting to leave for years). I can't remember though
That’s a fair concern to have.
I believe Ole really helped turn that around internally as they have shown signs at becoming more modern and progressive. But as much as I want to believe that, I know they would’ve signed Poch by now if Zidane took over at PSG so idrk as they would’ve bypassed the entire process which they’re going through right now which is the right thing to do - due diligence. They’re not doing it because they want to, only because of circumstance regarding PSG/Zidane which is worrisome me.
True to an extent as I don’t think you need much for an elite of the elite manager to work his magic. That’s like saying Pep or Klopp would work/succeed at United because of the very reasons you’ve mentioned. They would. And likewise, so would Ten Hag in my heart of hearts because he’s just that exceptional. Yes you want to make things as smooth of a tradition as possible being it’s optimal but definitely not necessary. And tbf I feel Ole and co has already done a lot of that internally at the club. Here in NA, our sports league/teams have coaches that manage the players and then general managers who construct the squad. I think it’s fairly obvious that Ole didn’t cut it as a coach/manager but in NA terms as a general manager or a president (call it whatever you want really), he really laid the correct vision after all these years post SAF. That in itself was a huge job so I feel United’s are nowhere near behind the finish line as they were before he arrived with how the club operated.
Yes the timing doesn’t work for United unfortunately.
You're correct!
My mistake.
Just think we're not going to have a whole back room shake up for Ten Hag.
Why I think Poch will be favourite.
Shame that Amorim thread got locked, was some very good discussion in there. Cheers for the posts @SportingCP96
No, he said he wants to see out the season and then who knows
. He crushed the speculation of him leaving midseason though.Mate, VDS is CEO aking to Woodward. Overmars is their DoF.
With regards to what you said, Ten Hag is no mug when it comes to the daily operations of the club. According to @AjaxCunian, before Ajax he was the sporting director and manager at Utrecht where he did a really good job in both roles. He got his Ajax gig by being mates with Overmars though, and suffice to say, Ajax fans weren't too thrilled when he first arrived. Of course all the worries evaporated soon after.
What I'm trying to say is that Ten Hag isn't your Pep, LvG or Poch that need a really good DoF to function. He knows what it takes to build a team. Also it's important to understand that he's not coming into 2013 United. We already have a semblance of a structure. We have a DoF and a Sporting Director. We also have a really good scouting network. Read the quote below to better understand what I'm talking about. Hope it helps.
No, I meant; How would the structure need to be changed to accommodate Ten Hag? What specific parts of it would need to be changed.
No more rainbows, no more enjoy yourselves, no more holistic approaches. This is how I want the next United manager to sound like:
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All he has said is that he wants to win trophies at Ajax. This season.
If on the other hand he just said "I want to win trophies". Sound the alarm bells
He turned a PL flop into the top scorer in the CL, crazy what quality coaching can do innit
If we're guaranteed Ten Hag at the end of the season, honestly it'd be worth it to wai. Can't allow anymore half-measures.
Absolutely this. Just looking at his mentality and his coaching ability and all signs point that he's the next top prospect when it comes to managers.
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