Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?

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Should've done their due diligence and known that these tests would've been needed to have been carried out, prior to appointing him.
Maybe they did and still want him, knowing he will need to apply the long way?
 

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Oh for crying out loud.

Let's get our facts straight here ok.

We were NOT looking to sack Ole until the slapping by Watford. Whether you like it or not those are the FACTS.

So you can bitch and moan all you like about competency and using the international break to get this sorted. It was simply not on Man Utd's mind at that time and they wanted to stick with Ole.

You can't just imagine up scenarios and call the club incompetent with this situation just because he's not ready to work yet. There's legal loop holes to deal with here and it takes time.

Coupled with the facts above, it is not a simple process, simply because of Ralf's career history does not line up to what the Home Office and the FA accept for Work Visa's. Hence why United are trying for an exception.

You don't become a £bn organisation through sheer incompetence for crying out loud. They know what they're doing.
I think its more a reflection of his own naviety.
 

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Oh for crying out loud.

Let's get our facts straight here ok.

We were NOT looking to sack Ole until the slapping by Watford. Whether you like it or not those are the FACTS.

So you can bitch and moan all you like about competency and using the international break to get this sorted. It was simply not on Man Utd's mind at that time and they wanted to stick with Ole.

You can't just imagine up scenarios and call the club incompetent with this situation just because he's not ready to work yet. There's legal loop holes to deal with here and it takes time.

Coupled with the facts above, it is not a simple process, simply because of Ralf's career history does not line up to what the Home Office and the FA accept for Work Visa's. Hence why United are trying for an exception.

You don't become a £bn organisation through sheer incompetence for crying out loud. They know what they're doing.
Trying your best to state facts, is that you Rafa?
 

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They cant do much about now i guess, if they sacked Ole before international break, that shit would be sorted during that period, now it is what it is. So, no point losing your shit due being pissed, second we can all avoid reading obnoxious replies to it.
 

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An actual RWB would be appreciated, he's better than any we have
 

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I for one am the 1st to call the club incompetent but calling it that cause they didnt ask for visa while Ragnick was employed at Lokomotiv is something else.
The incompetence I'm seeing was us wasting 2 weeks international break by not dismissing Ole when it was clear he was a dead duck.
 

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Why is that United’s fault?
Well technically it's Brexit's fault, so I guess it isn't really. It is interesting though that in our process of appointing an interim for 6 months, we manage to appoint someone who is basically a director of football and who does not meet the requirements for a work-permit as a manager. In this particular case there's a certain logic behind it, but from the outside it kinda looks like we're appointing a director of football who doesn't meet the requirements of a manager to serve as a head coach under another director of football.

But as I said, no one at the FA is going to say no to Man Utd, so it's a non issue.
 

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Who says that they didn’t? They obviously thought he’d get through, perhaps after the exception meeting. I’m sure that they took legal advice prior to application.
everyone needs to relax and have
Have what? I can't be bothered waiting until the end of your post. We need to relax and have what?!

Anyway, calm down folks it'll all be fine. No need to go looking for drama all the time.
 

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For the life of me I don’t understand why we can’t gain some controlled possession in games this season, I mean it’s not much to ask.

Something to build attacks from, just a bit of coherent fecking possession.

It wasnt this bad last season, why can’t they do it this season ffs? So frustrating this season has been.

It’s like the phrase ‘pass and move’ doesn’t exist in our vocabulary. Nobody can retain possession by moving into space to receive the ball. Drives me nuts.
Its something I cannot understand either.

I mean we have better players than most teams, how are we so bad in controlling games?

The opposition sometimes makes 7/8 passes and they are at the edge of our box, we make 10 passes for the ball to go back to Maguire.

Its not just passing and moving, we are so careless when it comes to passes, the pass direction, weight is all wrong at times.

The likes of Maguire, McT, Shaw take forever to pass as well. Then we have AWB who sometimes out of nowhere beats a man then instead of playing the simple pass, tries to beat another man. Its just poor football all round.
 

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So many claimed he would be one of the first RR would discard for this reason.

I don’t think we’d have to make him one of the best paid in Europe and I think Ralfs system would help get the best from him. But haters gonna hate :)
Buddy his contract expires in the summer and he has done nothinf but flirt with other sides for 3 years. It would be negligence on Rangnick’s part to involve him too heavily when this is supposed to be a long term project.

Why any United fans still have this bizarre loyalty to Pogba is beyond me.
 

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I can't even buy the guitar strings I like from Germany anymore because of Brexit. Why would it be easier to deliver a person to the UK?!
 

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Buddy his contract expires in the summer and he has done nothinf but flirt with other sides for 3 years. It would be negligence on Rangnick’s part to involve him too heavily when this is supposed to be a long term project.

Why any United fans still have this bizarre loyalty to Pogba is beyond me.
It’s leftovers from Pobga vs Mourinho. No one wants to admit Mourinho had his number
 

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It'll be fine.

Five minutes before kick-off, Old Trafford will descend into darkness. Everyone thinks it's a powercut. All of a sudden, a spotlight appears and focuses on the tunnel. Smoke also appears in the vicinity. Bill Conti - Fanfare plays in the background. Out strolls Fred the Red, swaggering to the half-way line, the spotlight capturing his every move. He gets to the centre-circle, and rips off the suit Hogan fashion, it's Ralf! It's Ralf! The crowd erupts and goes mad. He walks over to the technical area at the side of the pitch, shoves Michael and Mike out of the way and takes his rightful position.

We lose 1-0.
 
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Its something I cannot understand either.

I mean we have better players than most teams, how are we so bad in controlling games?

The opposition sometimes makes 7/8 passes and they are at the edge of our box, we make 10 passes for the ball to go back to Maguire.

Its not just passing and moving, we are so careless when it comes to passes, the pass direction, weight is all wrong at times.

The likes of Maguire, McT, Shaw take forever to pass as well. Then we have AWB who sometimes out of nowhere beats a man then instead of playing the simple pass, tries to beat another man. Its just poor football all round.
Yeah agree, on the bolded this happens all the time. We can barely retain the ball and sustain attacks and at the same time the opposition go the other end of the pitch to our box and are passing it around as easy as you like. But I do think a lot of that comes from severely poor movement off the ball from our players (which I think is a problem that goes back a long time.)

Areas like this are key areas I really hope to see improvements in when RR and the new system take effect.
 

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It'll be fine.

Five minutes before kick-off, Old Trafford will descend into darkness. Everyone thinks it's a powercut. All of a sudden, a spotlight appears and focuses on the tunnel. Smoke also appears in the vicinity. Bill Conti - Fanfare plays in the background. Out strolls Fred the Red, swaggering to the half-way line, the spotlight capturing his every move. He gets to the centre-circle, and rips off the suit Hogan fashion, it's Ralf! It's Ralf! The crowd erupts and goes mad. He walks over to the technical area at the side of the pitch, shoves Michael and Mike out of the way and takes his rightful position.

We lose 1-0.
:lol: Brilliant!
 

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Yeah agree, on the bolded this happens all the time. We can barely retain the ball and sustain attacks and at the same time the opposition go the other end of the pitch to our box and are passing it around as easy as you like. But I do think a lot of that comes from severely poor movement off the ball from our players (which I think is a problem that goes back a long time.)

Areas like this are key areas I really hope to see improvements in when RR and the new system take effect.
That's mainly down to McTominay, I watch him very closely in games when the opposition has the ball, he does this thing where he does a half press where he goes towards the ball but doesn't press the ball, which means if the ball player passes in between CB/CM, he is exposed and they are running at our CB's. Its so frustrating to watch because you either get goal side, or you full press, standing in the middle feels like he is in the middle of a rondo. He gets bypassed way too easily IMO.

Its not just poor movement, its that no one knows what to do. Its like give the ball to Sancho and hope he does something to beat a man, or Rashford. There isn't this pass then make a passing option to another player which opens a third man run.
 

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Buddy his contract expires in the summer and he has done nothinf but flirt with other sides for 3 years. It would be negligence on Rangnick’s part to involve him too heavily when this is supposed to be a long term project.

Why any United fans still have this bizarre loyalty to Pogba is beyond me.
It's not bizarre loyalty though, I just don't hate the guy like so many do, to be honest I find the hatred straight up weird.

His agent is the one that does the flirting, like he does with all his players. Pogba is a frustrating but super talented player that I (still!) would like to see us make the most of, considering what we've spent on him. I also fairly attribute some of his failing here on the poor management he's worked under as well as the players he's been partnered with, all the while still being our most creative midfielder, Bruno aside.

Like you said he's nailed on to leave now so it doesn't matter does it. I just don't subscribe to hating footballers unnecessarily. Let's not derail the thread anyway eh.
 

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That's mainly down to McTominay, I watch him very closely in games when the opposition has the ball, he does this thing where he does a half press where he goes towards the ball but doesn't press the ball, which means if the ball player passes in between CB/CM, he is exposed and they are running at our CB's. Its so frustrating to watch because you either get goal side, or you full press, standing in the middle feels like he is in the middle of a rondo. He gets bypassed way too easily IMO.

Its not just poor movement, its that no one knows what to do. Its like give the ball to Sancho and hope he does something to beat a man, or Rashford. There isn't this pass then make a passing option to another player which opens a third man run.
Yeah agree on McTominay, the bolded is spot on, another point with him is that he positions himself behind opposition forwards, almost shadows them but on the wrong side for the pass, when we are trying to play out from the back, meaning the build up from the back is even slower because the options through midfield aren't there.

Last season we seemed to create chances, granted a lot of that was by playing through counter-attack, this season in particular there is zero structure to the build up and in attacking areas. This is why I'm frustrated if the coaching staff get another free shot at their jobs because they've let us down massively imo and Ole clearly thought they were good enough when they weren't (and didn't have the coaching ability himself to improve it.)
 

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Yeah agree on McTominay, the bolded is spot on, another point with him is that he positions himself behind opposition forwards, almost shadows them but on the wrong side for the pass, when we are trying to play out from the back, meaning the build up from the back is even slower because the options through midfield aren't there.

Last season we seemed to create chances, granted a lot of that was by playing through counter-attack, this season in particular there is zero structure to the build up and in attacking areas. This is why I'm frustrated if the coaching staff get another free shot at their jobs because they've let us down massively imo and Ole clearly thought they were good enough when they weren't (and didn't have the coaching ability himself to improve it.)
Yeah, its concerning when your CM is playing scared. as a CM, you need to make passing lanes, so whenever the ball goes to the winger or full back, you are available for them.

Yep, although I do not put that much blame on the coaching staff we have. I mean, its up to the manager in charge to know they are not good enough or experienced enough. None of the coaches we have are experienced enough, we don't know how good they are until we have seen them under a top coach. Ole was not a top coach, he left the coaches to their own devices, thats not good enough.
 

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Yeah, its concerning when your CM is playing scared. as a CM, you need to make passing lanes, so whenever the ball goes to the winger or full back, you are available for them.

Yep, although I do not put that much blame on the coaching staff we have. I mean, its up to the manager in charge to know they are not good enough or experienced enough. None of the coaches we have are experienced enough, we don't know how good they are until we have seen them under a top coach. Ole was not a top coach, he left the coaches to their own devices, thats not good enough.
Yeah and Scott doesn't shine at these things. He seems to come alive when it's a backs against the walls performance, which I'm not sure helps when we are trying to transition to a front-foot modern style of play.

Yeah I cut them slack for being inexperienced however I don't want anybody learning on the job here at this point. Ralf hasn't managed a club for a good while, if Carrick and Mckenna can't get a team of world class players to maintain basic levels of possession then imo it's basically going to be Ralf doing the lot.
 

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Two weeks wasted and we gave Ole nice vacation and we knew after we will have a rush of games! Actually I really still can not figure out who let that happen and based on what! What was up there at their brains seriously!
 

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Yeah and Scott doesn't shine at these things. He seems to come alive when it's a backs against the walls performance, which I'm not sure helps when we are trying to transition to a front-foot modern style of play.

Yeah I cut them slack for being inexperienced however I don't want anybody learning on the job here at this point. Ralf hasn't managed a club for a good while, if Carrick and Mckenna can't get a team of world class players to maintain basic levels of possession then imo it's basically going to be Ralf doing the lot.

The stuff I hear about Ralf is that he is very hands on, he likes to get involved with everything. I am also sure that he would have looked at the situation, United games and decided that he only needs a few trusted people and he can work alongside Carrick and the like.

He will have a chance to see what they can do, then make a decision at the end of the season as to what suits Manchester United best.
 

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We might see no difference, or we might be a completely different team in 2 months time. Hard to say isn't it?

A lot of tactical work can be done by presentations and demonstrations anyway, he can definitely make some improvements/adjustments by just talking.
I was talking in regards to the Arsenal game. I should hope we notice some improvements after 2 months.
 

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That's mainly down to McTominay, I watch him very closely in games when the opposition has the ball, he does this thing where he does a half press where he goes towards the ball but doesn't press the ball, which means if the ball player passes in between CB/CM, he is exposed and they are running at our CB's. Its so frustrating to watch because you either get goal side, or you full press, standing in the middle feels like he is in the middle of a rondo. He gets bypassed way too easily IMO.

Its not just poor movement, its that no one knows what to do. Its like give the ball to Sancho and hope he does something to beat a man, or Rashford. There isn't this pass then make a passing option to another player which opens a third man run.
Yup, then there’s McTominay’s classic roll the foot over the ball movement. Drives me insane. And McTominay’s standing directly behind opposition players so he can never receive the ball. The guy is a magician. Donny on the other constantly passes and moves and no one passes to him. But with good coaching I think all of this can be ironed out and McTominay made a squad player.
 

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Proper training could do that. I mean if you know exactly where your team mates are and will be it'll be much easier for you to pass the ball.
Come on, they're supposed to be some of the top footballers in the league, maybe the world, they should be abkle to control the ball and pass it a few yards. Training should have nothing to do with it, it's a basic that any league footballer should be able to manage.
 
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