How long will Bellingham get banned for?
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At least we have some penalty discussions and don’t have to mention the mess that both defenses were.
Though I am pretty sure that was the refs fault as well.
Though I am pretty sure that was the refs fault as well.
200 games in bundesliga. Dortmund forced to sell him to us for 10 euro.
Well there are 4 German coaches in the absolute top tier right now, 5 if you include Flick, and three of them are in the money league right now. Come next one or two years, Süle, Gnabry and a few others will join Havertz and Werner. Many top talent go to Germany, maybe not as the super career move, but as the logical last step before it.
They genuinely are too good for their own good. Just an unbelievably well run football club but at the same time German football is on a decline, and has been for a while.
I actually have more fun watching the Bellinghams or Musialas develop than watching an aging diva break yet another record no one cares about any more. I take that over sugar daddy nonsense any time. Even if it means less options for silverware in the CL. RB or BVB have proven it is not completely out of sight even when on a tighter budget.
Just read about Zwayer. What the feck? He took money?
The Hoyzer scandal happened in 2004
6 things about that
1. Zwayer should never, ever, in a million years, be allowed to referee anywhere, let alone Bundesliga level. The fact they don't just let him do it, but he gets actively promoted and pushed by the DFB is an ongoing scandal of the highest order, one which the most prominent of fellow referees have complained about publicly in previous years (Brych, Gräfe and others), which was repeatedly commented upon here and which as it so happens a couple of us Bayern posters pointed out right before the game https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ger...ssiker-sat-18-30.463942/page-39#post-28162648
2. That doesn't change the fact that none of today's big decisions was wrong, and none was actually particularly controversial. It's about as clear a handball penalty as you will get. Just as the Hernandez duel is never a clear penalty which also followed an offside.Not to mention that Zwayer didn't give the pen at first but VAR, rightly, intervened. Dortmund were not unfairly disadvantaged in the game, period.
3. BVB players, officials, and fans losing their shit over this is just frustration directed outwards which should be directed at themselves. They are not hard done by, they are not victimized, they are not treated unfairly. They're just not as good as Bayern and hence they don't manage to win the game, nor the league title. Their perennial falling short is what constitutes the league's competetiveness problem, not Bayern's strength.
Reus embarrassed himself already last season with confused and moronic conspiracy theories and persecution complex behaviour after the game, today they are doubling down. It's shameful and disgraceful. Rose's antics will not gloss over the fact that he's not producing the performances and results to win anything of note, no matter the overblown PASSION and INTENSITY he tries to fake and act out.
On that note:
Cry me a river, fecking losers. This attitude is beyond embarrassing.
4. The idea that Zwayer is somehow pro Bayern is a bad joke in itself -you want an example of him making a blatantly wrong call, involving a penatly decision and stepping to the VAR monitor? Obviously you have to look no further than when he deliberately fecked us over in the Pokal final against Frankfurt.
5. When do referees ever appear on TV after a game to talk to the media? That's right, never. So please..
6. Bellingham is not wrong to point out that Zwayer should not be officiating. He is however wrong to claim unfair treatment or corruption after this game. Especially when he himself went all game trying to influence refereeing, milk every contact, repeated blatant diving and playacting. He should take a look in the mirror, how he behaved in the game was a disgrace. The kid is amazing, but he's starting to overheat, which is not surprising given he's taken on far too much responsibility, in the absence of BVB's experienced players stepping up to the plate.
Even Müller disagrees with you, but yeah, 1/6 is not the worst rate.
You have Alex Feuerherdt, referee expert himself and always giving fellow referees the benefit of the doubt where possible, saying that he felt it was wrong to treat both situations differently. So it wasn't as clear as you said. Unless it's a finger to the eye (oh wait, we've seen even that allowed in the past) you can pretty much justify any call you want. And when the games actually do happen to be close between the two teams it's a common occurrence that things go Bayern's way, like they did today. Then we have the whole spiel of pretending this was the first time this ever happened and you people shouldn't complain about it and it's really the oppositions fault, that they allowed themselves to be in a position where the ref's double standards could mess with their result.
It is amazing how much the supporters of one of the top 15 clubs in Europe buy the victim myth.
There are hints that referees subconciously favor the better team in some decisions, i think this may be true. BVB supporters never seem to remember that in 99% of their matches, *they* are in that role.
There are hints that referees subconciously favor the better team in some decisions, i think this may be true. BVB supporters never seem to remember that in 99% of their matches, *they* are in that role.
Which of todays decisions was wrong then? Not "could be that, could be this", but wrong? That's right, none.
So how come all the clamoring and all the hand wringing? Zwayer is refereeing every fecking week in this league since, what, over a decade, it's only today you found out he's a corrupt piece of trash?
Laughable stuff.
But yeah, BVB can keep telling themselves that they're on the losing end because of refereeing disdvantage. I don't mind, means they won't feel the need to get their own act together.
Calling out the ref for match fixing is ridiculous, stupid in any case.
No they’re not, you don’t get to the highest level of officiating in any league by chance.
They’re only “shit” because they don’t make the decisions that you (or any other fan) agree with because the decisions don’t help your team.
Yes they are. Being less shit than someone else doesn’t make you good
No, they’re ‘shit‘ because they make incorrect decisions for all teams (and I’d call them if it was United). And because other sports officials are (almost all) better.
If Bundesliga allow foreign sugar daddies it won't be Bundesliga anymore.
They genuinely are too good for their own good. Just an unbelievably well run football club but at the same time German football is on a decline, and has been for a while. If there's one league which might benefit from few sugar daddies getting in, it's Bundesliga.
Still, tough to "hate" Bayern because they are a proper club who handle business like top clubs should.
50+1 benefits Bayern dominance cause they are an extremely well run traditional club, which is the way United and Liverpool should dominate PL if it wasn't for Abramovich and Abu Dhabi, and soon Saudi Arabia...but England is probably the most globalist country in the world (considering the amount of land they conquered, including Ireland), it was bound to happen sooner or later, half of London property/real state is owned by China,Saudia Arabia, and Qatar.
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The music has stopped for Marsch.
Jesse Abmarsch.
Time for Jaissle, I guess. Salzburg will be 'so, so happy' (in Pep's voice)
RIP Jaissle Era [2021-2021] it was a long and wild ride, but all good things must come to an end eventually.
Mintzlaff is giving an interview on "Doppelpass" right now, he said that Jesse Marsch came to him after the seventh(!) match day and told him: "I don't know if I'm the right coach for this team, if my football philosophy fits this amazing squad".
So it happened what everyone expected and knew before, Marsch wasn't the right one for Leipzig
Wow... That's special, that he realised that early that it doesn't fit. Really astonishing that Mintzlaff let him go on failing for so long after that.
Was it really such a foregone conclusion? I personally assumed that if Leipzig build up someone from within the company for many years, then he'd at least be compatible with their way of playing.
And Mintzlaff is a professional bullshitter, I take his words with a grain of salt. I just repeated the quote, because to me it looks like he really didn't waste any seconds throwing Marsch under the bus.
Regarding the game yesterday, Hummels seemed on a one-man mission to give the game to Bayern. He could've done better on every goal.
I wasn't impressed with Upamecano either, I think he might cost Bayern later in the season.
I wasn't impressed with Upamecano either, I think he might cost Bayern later in the season.
OK, maybe not everyone, but I am aware of many people who watched Salzburg under Marsch and said "this looks chaotic and risky, no way this will keep the level of Nagelsmann's well organised team"
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Manuel Gräfe (Germany's one true elite referee in recent years, who had to end his career upon hitting the age limit) had a strong opinion as well.
"The balance wasn't right. That's part of a top match, that the referee has the soft skills and works through things accordingly. You can't always side with the arguments against a penalty [for Dortmund] and then you take the arguments for a penalty [for Bayern]. I can absolutely understand the anger of Dortmund. The deicisions went at the expense of BVB and therefore unfortunately decided the game."
And now this:
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If Watzke keeps escalating this maybe they can at least keep Zwayer from refereeing any more Dortmund games.
I don’t think it was particularly wise of Bellingham, I don’t think it is a good look to bring these sorts of things up when you lose but I also find it hard to condemn because he’s right, that referee took bribes and was handed a poxy 6 month ban which was also kept secret. He should have been banned for life, not made his way up to Bundesliga 1. All integrity is lost and with that all trust and all authority. What he’s doing in charge of the biggest match of the Bundesliga calendar I have no idea.
Of course it wasn't wise from Bellingham. It was the usual big club/Bayern bonus refereeing we see from many different referees and nothing that would warrant accusations of match fixing. He's facing criminal charges and also has to face DFB's court which will probably give him a ban. All that for no tangible benefit. So bottom line it was unprofessional and stupid from him.
But on other dimensions I think it's important that someone brings up Zwayer's past, even if I don't think he's involved in match fixing anymore and the incident is long in the past, it's a stain on German football that he was allowed to continue refereeing and make it to the top of the pyramid. And every time someone forces the association to deal with that fact it's a good thing.
And the only way for Dortmund to do something about this refereeing bias is creating enough noise in the media that finally referees might think twice about applying double standards. The same way Klopp's moaning about United's penalties seems to have turned around both club's fortunes when it comes to that.
1. So there is someone known for a past of criminal behaviour and match fixing - but there is "nothing to see here"? That's a wild conclusion you have there.
2. Well, assuming you are out to matchfix, that's how you would do it, right? Not going for clearly wrong decisions, but going for the could be so and so decisions. Not saying it is or isn't fixed, but assuming I was a referee out to do this while keeping a clean vest, this is exactly how I would do it.
And it's not exactly a big secret that Bayern has had quite favourable treatment over the last decade and more. I will just point out one fact: Ribery didn't get a single red card in the Bundesliga after all the things he has done over the years. That's pretty much enough said. But it's always coincidence when certain patterns repeat.
He knows the history of the fixture. Here's a long thread of someone who went through Kicker's match reports and put down all their comments on referee decisions:
I can't be bothered to translate it all, but Twitter has a translation feature:
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In terms of grounds for match fixing suspicions it was pretty tame.
Why do we get punished?
Are you for real? Did you even bother to read my post?
As for the rest, guess it's the season for conspiracy narrations is it. You're probably not going to get vaccinated either eh.
https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...-gegen-bvb-star-bellingham-78448016.bild.html
whiny bunch of losers
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question for those who know legal aspects: Were those complaints filed as a "common" complaint or only some special sports-law-ish bullshit?
whiny bunch of losers
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question for those who know legal aspects: Were those complaints filed as a "common" complaint or only some special sports-law-ish bullshit?
Gräfe has been at war with the DFB for years now, about the politcs of refereeing including Zwayers career. I'ts not surprising he would take the opportunity to have another skirmish, and I don't blame him. Doesn't make his take on the game's refereeing very objective though.
The behaviour of Dortmund is, on the whole, honestly just simply appalling. They lost fair and square and that's the kind of campaign they start? Mourinho-level toxicity.
That's your opinion
Was there any Bayern/Dortmund game in the last 5 years where Dortmund didn´t immediately portay themselves as a victim after it? It´s getting boring now.
I feel like Dortmund usually uses some good old victim's narrative as an excuse
glorious days
It's objectively a correct decision that this is a penalty
https://streamwo.com/file/61abb5583648d
And it's also objectively right that even if VAR had decided to take a look at the Hernandez-Reus challenge, which was borderline and not a clear and obvious error, it would have found an offside position before and so a penalty wouldn't have stood.
So what are BVB on about? They lost fair and square. They were not treated unfairly. Everything was done by the book. If anything, Bellingham should arguably been booked more than once for his antics.
It's a deeply dishonest campaign to deflect blame and put pressure on referees in future fixtures to be favourable to BVB, and to cynically feed on rampant and lazy anti-Bayern sentiment.
What Zwayer did to Bayern in the past is far worse. If anyone had grounds to complain, it was us after the Bayern-Frankfurt Pokal final.
But there, the "football republic" was silent about Zwayer as they liked the underdog getting one over big Bayern.. fecking hypocrites is what they are.
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There is an area between claiming there was matchfixing vs. "its all fair and clean and we do not need to look further". And if there is a referee that has a past and is used in the most important league match of the season, then asking questions and taking more than one look is warranted. Your entire argumentation of "nothing to see here" is the conspiracy theory - because you ignore the reality of what is happening and which people were involved.
And I'm sure you lodged the same complaint after all 200 Bundesliga, 40+ CL and EL games, and dozens of other professional games Zwayer has refereed. "Not saying they were or were not fixed, BUT" .. "asking questions and pointing out more than one look is warranted" .. etc ..*schwurbel schwurbel* ..
Surely you didn't just come up with this all of a sudden now you lost the top game and he gave penalty which you deem harsh when it arguably isn't.
7 minutes in...
Freiburg leads 2:0 in Gladbach
...this league just is crazy...
Oh, 3:0 after 12 minutes...
Oh, 4:0 after 19 minutes...
Freiburg leads 2:0 in Gladbach
...this league just is crazy...
Oh, 3:0 after 12 minutes...
Oh, 4:0 after 19 minutes...
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0:4, what's going on.
Quick, do the Brazil thing with the thread title! 