Ralf’s 4-2-2-2

Desert Eagle

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Is this our future?

Listening to Ralf in the post match he says that the two 10s have it hardest as they have to be more disciplined defensively and the full backs might end up playing as wingbacks. It also solves the problem we have had recently of connecting midfield with attack and our forward is not so isolated. Long term solution or quick fix?
 
Liked what I seen today.

- His initial plans is to partner Ronaldo upfront with another striker (Rashford today - needs to improve staying onside as he is there to use his pace).

- Two number 10’s floating around in behind (Bruno and Sancho). The most demanding positions in this formation pointed out by Ralph, as they have to help out defensively.

- Fullbacks pushed forward like wingbacks (Telles and Dalot especially was very good today).

- Centre backs pushing towards the halfway line.




Here is the average positions from today:

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We require immensely fit, active, fearless fullbacks so that they add a lot of width. Dalot and teles did that today
 
It's formation he's used quite a lot in the past, so I'm expecting is to mix between 4-2-2-2 and 4-2-3-1 like he's done previously.
Here's a summary of his formations used at Leipzig.

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I like the fact that it's a very vertical lineup. You have the option of playing direct to strikers ord via 10s. We're stacked in attack so 4 at the front makes sense.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Is this our future?

Listening to Ralf in the post match he says that the two 10s have it hardest as they have to be more disciplined defensively and the full backs might end up playing as wingbacks. It also solves the problem we have had recently of connecting midfield with attack and our forward is not so isolated. Long term solution or quick fix?
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I’m also interested in seeing if it’s going to be an option or whether it’s going to be our Plan A. I’ve long wanted us to develop our own identity and tactics which we trust in almost every game rather than switching it up depending on who we are playing this week.

Subtle changes within a system are understandable but I’m not a fan of switching from 4 at the back to 5 or varying between 2/3/4 centre midfielders.

We need to build on it and get into a rhythm.
 
Cavani would be great in this formation as well. We can rotate our front options.
 
Desert Eagle said:
Is this our future?

Listening to Ralf in the post match he says that the two 10s have it hardest as they have to be more disciplined defensively and the full backs might end up playing as wingbacks. It also solves the problem we have had recently of connecting midfield with attack and our forward is not so isolated. Long term solution or quick fix?
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It's a system Rangnick has used for ages now and the squad is mostly stacked with players who can play it well. However RB worries me, as I don't think AWB can play as required in this system and therefore there is no backup for Dalot.
 
Pexbo said:
I’m also interested in seeing if it’s going to be an option or whether it’s going to be our Plan A. I’ve long wanted us to develop our own identity and tactics which we trust in almost every game rather than switching it up depending on who we are playing this week.

Subtle changes within a system are understandable but I’m not a fan of switching from 4 at the back to 5 or varying between 2/3/4 centre midfielders.

We need to build on it and get into a rhythm.
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Going by Uniquims post I think it might be his preferred formation. I also like Jacobs point about the verticality it provides along with the flexibility.

It's almost a perfect foundation on which a team can then slip into 4-4-2/ 4-2-3-1/ 442 diamond which are his other most played formations.
 
stefan92 said:
It's a system Rangnick has used for ages now and the squad is mostly stacked with players who can play it well. However RB worries me, as I don't think AWB can play as required in this system and therefore there is no backup for Dalot.
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Telles can play RB
 
It definitely suits our squad if we can make it work. Like literally any another formation we lack a number 6 and a RB.
 
Shakesey said:
If Bruno/Jadon are his first picks for those vital 10-positions, who would be his 3rd and 4th options?
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Greenwood come on in the second half at Right Attacking Mid. He will of course need to improve his work rate.

Lingard will also surely get a chance in there. He was injured today.
 
It is not new though. Ole did try that once or twice without the work rate. It makes sense to play that way with who we have as players especially up top.

VDB would have more chance to play in that as well along with Bruno and Sancho.
 
cyberman said:
Telles can play RB
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Left-footed player as RB is possible, but extremely difficult in a 4222, I don't think Telles is an option in this system for RB. In a 433 or 4231 the RB can pass to the winger, who can then cross or pass it inside with his strong foot. Having one natural and one inverted player on the wing is usually a good thing, as one can drift inside and one stay on the line. But if you don't have a winger, the full back is the one who definitely has to bring the ball inside, which is more difficult when you play inverted.

So the only player in the squad who I think fits the profile of a RB in a 4222 is Dalot.
 
stefan92 said:
Left-footed player as RB is possible, but extremely difficult in a 4222, I don't think Telles is an option in this system for RB. In a 433 or 4231 the RB can pass to the winger, who can then cross or pass it inside with his strong foot. Having one natural and one inverted player on the wing is usually a good thing, as one can drift inside and one stay on the line. But if you don't have a winger, the full back is the one who definitely has to bring the ball inside, which is more difficult when you play inverted.

So the only player in the squad who I think fits the profile of a RB in a 4222 is Dalot.
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Laird is comming, he'd enjoy this setup I think.
 
I like that Rashford average position is offside.
On a serious note, we just added aggression and were quicker on the ball. One months from now we might be looking very different.
On first impression I think Rashford and Bruno will struggle, but it's get too early to tell.
 
Borys said:
I like that Rashford average position is offside.
On a serious note, we just added aggression and were quicker on the ball. One months from now we might be looking very different.
On first impression I think Rashford and Bruno will struggle, but it's get too early to tell.
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:lol:
 
Relevated said:
We require immensely fit, active, fearless fullbacks so that they add a lot of width. Dalot and teles did that today
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They were quite fantastic, to be honest. Defensively, offensively, very impressed. Lindelof also impressed. Maguire was adequate :)

Rashford needs to do much more if he wants to be starting. He may have been one of the worst players on the field today. Jadon Sancho wasn't his best today, either, but not as bad as Rashford.
 
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Rashford and Bruno both need dropping imo. Greenwood and Donny need to be given a shot instead.
 
I think it suits the squad

Could still do with another CM but that's the case irrespective of what formation we play
 
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