Yeah. I don't think that it's fair to have a go at him. We are talking about a very young coach that was rated at Tottenham and then within United youth setup.
Kieran McKenna / Ipswich manager
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I don't think Ipswich is looking for a new mascot.
I don't think it's a weird appointment at all. A club in doldrums and a young manager looking to create a name for himself who has worked at the top level, yes it could go wrong - all recruitment carries an element of risk but I think they have done well. If he fails he has time on his side to start again but if he succeeds I think both Ipswich and him will benefit immensely.
Another thing is that he has the inside track on all the highly rated youngsters we have on the books, we need a place and a manager we can trust with them so I could see him getting a few of our young players and that could help him do well. People who didn't need to speak highly of him and this could be the start of a great career.
I also think we shouldn't judge him or Carrick with what happened under Ole and Mourinho, presumably they had to be working to instructions to realize another man's vision. Now we will be seeing what he is about as a manager, the style he prefers and how he will go about it in a challenging league.
What are we going to do? Send Greenwood down there for some game time and see how he gets on?
Most of our lads are better than league 1, they’re already playing at a championship level unless they’re in the under 18’s, in which case they’re not physically ready for the riggers of league 1 football.
I’d be very doubtful we send any promising youngsters down there and more likely lads that haven’t got a career at PL level, and that’s if we’ve even kept them on with a pro contract.
Its all well and dandy when you’re a coach and you can just point to the boss and say “it’s his idea”. I’m skeptical of his ability to handle himself with any authority when it comes to dealing with established pro’s. You can whip a flip chart out at United and show players an asymmetric pyramid and 7 different tactics for every eventuality, good luck trying any of that shit in league 1. He’s going to have to be pragmatic to get anywhere.
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We placed him in a silly position were he had to coach WC players of similar age to him.
Don’t think he is good enough for ipswich
Maybe you want to look at where highly rated Ethan Galbraith is playing. Doncaster rovers, 23rd in Div 1
you seem to have a very narrow view of how development of youth players works
Interesting and astoundingly arrogant view given our u21s just finished below Sunderland and Lincoln in their EFL Trophy group.
I live in ipswich and the locals are really looking forward to him and have high expectations. Good luck to him.
Where's this myth that he's a fine young coach come from?
Sources from the club? That sounds legit.
All the best for him, not our coach anymore and it's up to him to prove his mettle.
But you cant blame some of us for wanting him gone, he's dull and uninspiring and never seems to show passion from the sidelines, and it's not that he's an unknown quantity. As coach for 3 years all of our players regressed technically and physically. So whatever he's doing it's definitely not up to par. He can hide behind the manager but at some point a fine coach would still instill training that tot the very least keeping the players fit and improve their basic.
We have been making too many excuses for our own lads, time to be more ruthless. If they can't perform then good riddance. No more aw it's a pity maybe we should keep him in other capacity.
Failed as manager let's make him a DOF. Not even a manager, let's make him technical director. Not a good coach, let's make him a u18 manager. As if pushing them somewhere else would somehow make them a better coach.
Sources from the club? That sounds legit.
All the best for him, not our coach anymore and it's up to him to prove his mettle.
But you cant blame some of us for wanting him gone, he's dull and uninspiring and never seems to show passion from the sidelines, and it's not that he's an unknown quantity. As coach for 3 years all of our players regressed technically and physically. So whatever he's doing it's definitely not up to par. He can hide behind the manager but at some point a fine coach would still instill training that tot the very least keeping the players fit and improve their basic.
We have been making too many excuses for our own lads, time to be more ruthless. If they can't perform then good riddance. No more aw it's a pity maybe we should keep him in other capacity.
Failed as manager let's make him a DOF. Not even a manager, let's make him technical director. Not a good coach, let's make him a u18 manager. As if pushing them somewhere else would somehow make them a better coach.
I don't think you're good enough for United
Ralph you have zero sway around here sadly
He is a freaking coach. How many coaches do you see showing passion from the sidelines? And showing that sidelines does not equal to being a good coach either.
The technical and physical level of players at this level don't go down because of a coach. When RR started hiring shite manager as coach, some say it was ok because they would be a coach we don't have to worry about it. Unless it is a United coach, then he can't hide behind a manager.
We did beat a lot of top teams under Ole and people forgot that. We were just pretty shit this season and before that, it was more or less acceptable for that team except for some cup games.
Some of shite in this thread were pretty ridiculous on a highly rated coach who had shown as a good attacking manager at lower level.
Mike’s staying until United sack him and pay him out. His 59, a million pound or so payout will be nice to add to the pension pot
I think some people are still hanging onto the notion that he will come good and that he wasnt responsible for the disaster this season. He is responsible. Especially when it was stated multiple times that Ole depended on his staffs a lot, even more now that Ralf said Phelan doesnt join training sessions and Carrick had left (probbaly knew it was over and its better to leave the club to do its own thing under Ralf).
I would imagine McKenna should and would have given a lot of inputs and to make the squad look organized on the pitch was one of this biggest responsibilities. It didnt happen. You cant just blame Ole and leave McKenna out. He cant hide behind the manager like that, with most assistants and coaches, when the manager leaves they tend to follow anyway. I dont see whats the big deal especially when he has a manager job lined up elsewhere. Stop seeing him like the second coming of Pep Guardiola. He had 3 or 4 years and we were still disorganized as before. Is that what the highly rated coach that was being trusted by his manager do?
Carrick at least had some common sense that it was time to leave without having to put PR nonsense on the media to try and get the caretaker postition before that. Im really glad it was Carrick that was choosen. Highly rated on papers means feck all. The results are there for you to see. Did a good job with youth teams, big deal, Im sure there are a lot coaches that do really well with youth teams. Isnt that one of the most common paths to take before getting into a managerial position for the first team anyway?
I would imagine McKenna should and would have given a lot of inputs and to make the squad look organized on the pitch was one of this biggest responsibilities. It didnt happen. You cant just blame Ole and leave McKenna out. He cant hide behind the manager like that, with most assistants and coaches, when the manager leaves they tend to follow anyway. I dont see whats the big deal especially when he has a manager job lined up elsewhere. Stop seeing him like the second coming of Pep Guardiola. He had 3 or 4 years and we were still disorganized as before. Is that what the highly rated coach that was being trusted by his manager do?
Carrick at least had some common sense that it was time to leave without having to put PR nonsense on the media to try and get the caretaker postition before that. Im really glad it was Carrick that was choosen. Highly rated on papers means feck all. The results are there for you to see. Did a good job with youth teams, big deal, Im sure there are a lot coaches that do really well with youth teams. Isnt that one of the most common paths to take before getting into a managerial position for the first team anyway?
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I honestly doubt he'd even have considered the offer if Solskjaer was still here and right after signing a long term contract. Solskjaer gave him and Carrick a sizeable amount of autonomy.
Good post, except McKenna became joint assistant with Carrick under Mourinho after Rui Faria vacated his assistant role. Mourinho was fired 5 or so months after McKenna's promotion
Not sure where this leaves us but I'm pretty sure that those who shout the loudest about our coaching set up don't have a clue how good they are (or aren't). Let's just hope Ralf has a plan, and it works.
There's a few typos in there but butchering Butcher's name wins the prize
So you really think he's a marvelous coach? Oh... where has he gone the past 3 years?
So why are we so bad the past 3 years? Oh... ole... oh he doesnt train the boys... it must be carrick. Oh wait... carrick is actually brilliant wasnt he....
Maybe it's the water... or maybe... he wasn't such a marvelous coach after all.
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Why didn't McKenna leave when Jose was sacked? Why should McKenna leave with Ole when McKenna never followed Ole or Jose?
The assistants and coaches who moves with managers to all the clubs leave when the manager is sacked, not coaches like McKenna who are part of club way before Ole was ManUtd's manager. It's like saying why didn't Kidd leave City when shit loads of managers were sacked. Well none of those managers brought him to the club.
What PR nonsnse did McKenna came up with?
So are you saying Ole had right ideas and coaches failed to implement that style or Ole didn't have any say and it was entirely on coaches to come up with the tactical plan?
It's hilarious how many cock-sure posts are in this thread, as if they know they are talking about. It's like they watched every training session (I doubt even if they are invited, they will know what they are talking about) and formed opinion on that.
ManUtd fans, at least few always want a scapegoat to show their frustration. Now that McKenna has left, it's time to attack groundman and maybe even parking security.
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McKenna's first real test.
Ah, the ol’ Ipswitcheroo.
We weren’t bad for three years. We were bad for 6 months. Prior to that we were playing well and got second and third place in the best league in the world. This narrative Ole and his coaches did nothing but a poor job Is pure nonsense.
To summarize, McKenna had been at United far longer than Ole, you said it yourself that he was here when Jose was manager. So lets use that as the baseline to judge his overall performance. Its not about he stayed when Jose left but more about the overall time he had spent at the club in his role.
The fact that he was not the manager but played a lesser role (although still within a huge significance) doesnt mean that he should be hiding behind the manager's failure. Would you not agree with that? if someone is really exceptional even if his superior holds him back, at the very least dont fail at the basics. For someone reportedly to have an attacking minded approach with strong tactical knowledge, our players struggled with the basics and surely McKenna played a big part in that?
Again, the performances that you see week in week out, over a long period of time show it. So it's good that he gets a job as a manager now, I just dont know why some people seem so bothered that a few posters want him gone. Its logical in my opinion. I would want to keep him if he's only been here for a short time - second chance, benefit of the doubts and all that. I also dont think replacing him is that hard, again, look at how we played, did the players look like a bunch of strangers on the field? if so was it not down to coaching and tactics? if so, not only Ole was responsible but also McKenna and Carrick. Lets be fair here.
Was McKenna manager or Ole and Jose? How do you know what level of role he played?
Lets take Rangnick as example, do you think he will bring coaches to implement his philosophy or will bring coaches to implement their own philosophy?
Yes, McKenna and Carrick were first team coaches, doesn't mean they were the one who dictated the style or lack of it. They are hired to implement Ole's vision and how Ole wanted.
Also I don't get this "PR" thing and "hiding behind manager". Did he give any interview blaming Ole? Have you ever seen coaches getting shit like McKenna and Carrick got when manager failed?
Lets take Chelsea as example,
Joe Edwards - Appointed under Lampard
Barry - appointed under Lampard
Hilario - Appointed under Conte
Tuchel brought just 2 coaches. So are these coaches shit or world class. There are 2 versions of them, one under Lampard and one under Tuchel.
End of the day, it's the manager who is responsible for performances, team is always reflection of manager's vision. Not coaches'.
Well... we're about to find out aren't we? I don't know why you're so keen to pass judgement on his performance in a position you couldn't possibly hope to see the pure effects of as a fan, when the guy is actually off to be his own man. If you wait 6 months you'll know exactly how shit he currently is won't you?
But you have, that’s why he didn’t leave
Best of luck to McKenna. It’s a bit of a strange move by Ipswich but he is a talented young coach so maybe he can make that step up. It’s good for him to get out of the club so he can develop himself further.
Like the turd that won't flush is the analogy you're looking for my friend.But you have, that’s why he didn’t leave
Anyway yes. As a wise man once said; Ralph1386, you have no authority here, no authority at all.
Who are these fans who show their support by holding the abstract notion of Manchester United on a pedestal and fecking loathe every material aspect of club? Weirdos.
Has he gone yet?
Usually these things happen quickly, oh wait, Eds involved.
Usually these things happen quickly, oh wait, Eds involved.
It's the next generation of fan. A sight to behold and cherish.
PS is this appearance because I said I missed you? Hope so.
100%. I logged on anonymously for a few years hoping you'd say it. Hope all well dude.
It’s announced now. Good luck to him.
On the contrary. He's been here 3 years. And i dont like what i see on the pitch. If he cant show progress in 3 years what's another 6 months?
I'm juat sick of accepting mediocrity. This is how we ended up with jones and martial because we're too tippy tappy and becoming too sentimental.
He's a bad coach, deal with it.
He'll get sacked within 6 months and will end up in qatar
I'm good! Ready for Christmas? And a New Year caf return?100%. I logged on anonymously for a few years hoping you'd say it. Hope all well dude.