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What was the revenue of the clubs in your CL group again?step 1: have twice as much revenue as the next club
step 2: profit from big team bias
step 3: get smug on the internet
What's your point?What was the revenue of the clubs in your CL group again?
So annoying that there are hardly any fans allowed at the moment. New stadium and third place would make for a great atmosphere. Couldn't attend a single game yet this season.Freiburg as 3rd into the winter break... - I would like that!
Absolutely would love to visit there. It's terrible seeing this stadium empty when the Boys in red are having an absolute Hammer of a season.So annoying that there are hardly any fans allowed at the moment. New stadium and third place would make for a great atmosphere. Couldn't attend a single game yet this season.
But what a season this is so far from the boys.
It's a bit early, but their 4th place doesn't tell the whole story I think? They rarely have convincing games and there is little visible evolution. Compare that to Frankfurt (6th place) who are in a similar spot in the table: They knew they would have some trouble at the beginning, new players needed to get used to club and league, and then they started winning and rising in the table. After this development they are happy with Glasner.Browsing Leverkusen's forum: (most) people are calling for Seoane's head already. A bit harsh for a 4th place finish, especially given Hradecky's part in some results?!
He's a legend even if he doesn't have the ability of those better than him. How he keeps going it, I don't know...what a player!Anthony Modeste
It's just crazy that most expected him to be totally past it, a waste of squad space and money and would maybe never play again for Köln. Now he has scored 11 goals.... Totally unreal, comparing that to United's squad it would be like if Juan Mata was top scorer this season.He's a legend if he doesn't have the ability of those better than him. How he keeps going it, I don't know...what a player!
That forum is probably the worst football forum on the planet.Browsing Leverkusen's forum: (most) people are calling for Seoane's head already. A bit harsh for a 4th place finish, especially given Hradecky's part in some results?!
I wouldn't exactly give him a medal at the moment, but 4th-6th place is about what you'd expect from Leverkusen, their EL campaign has been very good thus far and their cup exit was more about wasting chances and Hradecky doing his thing than coaching. So in terms of results they are doing okay.It's a bit early, but their 4th place doesn't tell the whole story I think? They rarely have convincing games and there is little visible evolution. Compare that to Frankfurt (6th place) who are in a similar spot in the table: They knew they would have some trouble at the beginning, new players needed to get used to club and league, and then they started winning and rising in the table. After this development they are happy with Glasner.
Seoane had a great start to the season, but now they are becoming worse and most worryingly they start throwing games away were they are clearly in the lead. That is partially due to Seoane's changes (not today, but against Frankfurt and Hoffenheim this was a factor). The trend is your friend, and that isn't good for Leverkusen.
Worst forum, most fun forum.. potato.. patato..That forum is probably the worst football forum on the planet.
4th place is nice but doesn´t really mean anything when you look at how close the league is points-wise. I just hope, we´re at full strength again after the winter break and get on a good run of form again.
Always with the excuses...step 1: have twice as much revenue as the next club
step 2: profit from big team bias
step 3: get smug on the internet
Team | Goals (1H21/22 - 1H20/21) | Goals conceded (1H21/22 - 1H20/21) | Points (1H21/22 - 1H20/21) |
Mainz | 10 | -19 | 17 |
Köln | 12 | -1 | 10 |
Hoffenheim | 10 | -4 | 9 |
Freiburg | -3 | -12 | 5 |
Dortmund | 8 | 4 | 5 |
Bayern | 7 | -9 | 4 |
Hertha BSC | -3 | 7 | 4 |
Frankfurt | -3 | -2 | 0 |
Bielefeld | 1 | -2 | -1 |
Augsburg | 0 | 0 | -1 |
Union Berlin | -9 | 0 | -1 |
Leverkusen | 8 | 11 | -4 |
Stuttgart | -10 | 4 | -5 |
Gladbach | -9 | 6 | -9 |
Wolfsburg | -9 | 10 | -9 |
Leipzig | 1 | 8 | -13 |
Bochum (N) | -16 | 9 | -13 |
Fürth (N) | -20 | 26 | -24 |
I would do so. The win against Dortmund was of course aided by Dortmund themselves, but still I think it is fair to acknowledge that Korkut already had a big impact on the way Hertha is playing. You can recognise it as being football, which wasn't always the case under Dardai.I wouldn't necessarily make Hertha any compliments yet and certainly not Korkut. He's had four games: a 2-2 against Stuttgart, a 2-0 against Bielefeld, a 0-4 against Mainz and the 3:2 against Dortmund. It looks a lot better than it really is at the moment, because they got to play Dortmund last and received a kindly three point donation. Without it they'd be sitting on 15th place and they still have the 2nd worst Defense and GD in the league.
No sane person is discussing Seoane. We know we´re in a transitional season where we have to replace the leaders of the team in the last few years and we know that is natural to have ups and downs with such a young squad, especially at the back. Tah is our most expierenced defender with 25, the others around him are 19 to 22 and mostly play their first season in the league (Hincapie, Kossounou, Bakker, Frimpong). Still we´re in fourth place and so far managed the Hinrunde better than other teams with new coaches like Leipzig, Wolfsburg or Gladbach which are comparable to our situation.And now the disappointments so far, led by... Leverkusen, we just discussed them on here. More goals scored, but also a lot more goals conceded. They don't control their games as well, and they were as unhappy last season that they fired their coach shortly before the end. Now they have the highly rated Gerardo Seoane and thinks are even worse. No wonder their fans are already discussing him, these numbers give them some more reasons to do so.
To be honest my perception of Korkut from his Stuttgart days was that he set the team up to be somewhat defensively solid and then prayed for the best upfront. So I'll take a more curious look at Hertha's efforts in possession when I next have to suffer through one of their games. He indeed seems to have brought a bit of fresh air with him for now, but this often doesn't last and his fixture list has been quite generous thus far. I think we'll get a better idea where things are headed after the break, when he's had some time to try to implement some of his ideas and opponents get a better idea of what the side is about and how to counter it.I would do so. The win against Dortmund was of course aided by Dortmund themselves, but still I think it is fair to acknowledge that Korkut already had a big impact on the way Hertha is playing. You can recognise it as being football, which wasn't always the case under Dardai.
Korkut is one of the better managers in Germany in regard to his ability to implement a possession-based style, I think so since he coached Hannover. The frustrating thing about him (and the reason why he didn't get many jobs I think) is that his teams often lack the edge to actually get results, but the way they play often looks nice and you can already see first steps in that direction. Korkut won four of the seven points he got after they went down one or even two goals. It was almost unthinkable for Dardai's team to come back once they went behind, so there is a clear difference for me, and that got them points. I am quite sure that Dortmund - as bad as they were - would have won against Hertha if Dardai still managed them.
Korkut's Hannover struggled a bit at having a definite way how to get the ball into the goal, it looked nice (and not just defensively solid) along the field until close to the box. So I fully agree on the "prayed for the best upfront".To be honest my perception of Korkut from his Stuttgart days was that he set the team up to be somewhat defensively solid and then prayed for the best upfront. So I'll take a more curious look at Hertha's efforts in possession when I next have to suffer through one of their games. He indeed seems to have brought a bit of fresh air with him for now, but this often doesn't last and his fixture list has been quite generous thus far. I think we'll get a better idea where things are headed after the break, when he's had some time to try to implement some of his ideas and opponents get a better idea of what the side is about and how to counter it.
Something I saw about Seoane are Leverkusen's results against the top 8 and how many goals they conceded.
1. Bayern - loss - 5 goals
2. Dortmund - loss - 4 goals
3. Freiburg - loss - 2 goals
4. Leverkusen - -
5. Hoffenheim - draw - 2 goals
6. Frankfurt - loss - 5 goals
7. Union - draw - 1 goal
8. Cologne - draw - 2 goals
W0-D3-L4 GD:12-21
That's somewhat surprising, isn't it? Usually you would expect a counter attacking side to do relatively well against top teams that offer them space and then drop a lot of points when they struggle to break down weak teams. But here it's the opposite, their stats against the bottom 10 teams are:
W8-D1-L1 GD: 28-7
Sure, when you look at the stats against top 8 it's easy to just say "well, their defense is abyssmal..", but 7 goals conceded against the bottom 10 is actually the polar opposite: it's the same as Freiburg and just one more than Bayern and getting 25/30 points from those games is level with Bayern as well.Leverkusen's results are not that surprising when you look at how much worse their defence got. They have enough creativity up front to score against anyone, not only relying on counter attacks, but they just concede too many goals. They can outscore weaker teams, but against the stronger teams in the league it's not enough.
I'd say our defense actually became better than last season. Frimpong is probably our brightest talent aside from Wirtz, Bakker and Hincapie are both better than Wendell and I never rated Sven Bender at all, so for me Kossounou is an upgrade as well.Korkut's Hannover struggled a bit at having a definite way how to get the ball into the goal, it looked nice (and not just defensively solid) along the field until close to the box. So I fully agree on the "prayed for the best upfront".
Leverkusen's results are not that surprising when you look at how much worse their defence got. They have enough creativity up front to score against anyone, not only relying on counter attacks, but they just concede too many goals. They can outscore weaker teams, but against the stronger teams in the league it's not enough.
Sven Bender never was particularly talented on the ball and not an imposing athlete for a CB either, but there is a lot of value in having a reliable grown up at he back, where mistakes under pressure can throw away an entire game in a single moment.I'd say our defense actually became better than last season. Frimpong is probably our brightest talent aside from Wirtz, Bakker and Hincapie are both better than Wendell and I never rated Sven Bender at all, so for me Kossounou is an upgrade as well.
In terms of defending, the team became significantly worse but I'd say this had more tondo with the system and us having almost no control of games anymore. So far that's what disappoints me tge most.
Well, Bender was very good at that, too. IMO he was the exact opposite of what you're describing here. He often left his position for far too risky pressures and lacked the pace to compensate for it. Moreover he had a habit of absolutely over-commiting into tackles. Can't count how many times he risked his own heapth in situations in which it wasn't worth it. Fans love that but it's not exactly clever, especially if those tackles expose the defense even when he doesn't tear his ligaments. Was no fan of his by any means.Sven Bender never was particularly talented on the ball and not an imposing athlete for a CB either, but there is a lot of value in having a reliable grown up at he back, where mistakes under pressure can throw away an entire game in a single moment.
Zakaria is the other obvious one whose contract runs out this summer. Then you have Hofmann who could be a target for other clubs and I'd guess players like Plea and Thuram would be interested in a move if Gladbach fails to qualify for Europe (CL) and only have contract until 2023.With Ginter announcing that he'll leave Gladbach for free next summer, what are the chances of several other players announcing something similar? Who'd be the next-likeliest player to announce that they're leaving? I guess Neuhaus might want to leave given the links from last summer.
It is kind of amazing that Freiburg once again managed to find someone similar to Volker Finke who managed Freiburg for 16 years. Wouldn't be a surprise by now if Streich breaks that record.Freiburg's coach Christian Streich is coach at Freiburg now for a full decade:
Streich is already about to break Finke's records for points and wins in the Bundesliga in a few games.It is kind of amazing that Freiburg once again managed to find someone similar to Volker Finke who managed Freiburg for 16 years. Wouldn't be a surprise by now if Streich breaks that record.
Interesting theory. I guess we will know soon if it's true, as Freiburg just opened their new bigger stadium (capacity of the Europa-Park-Stadion: 34,700, Dreisamstadion: 24,000)I think their small stadium might also have helped in that regard, at Mainz for example a new and bigger stadium has brought people, who voice their displeasure or leave their seats empty entirely when things don't go so well. Hertha is another example, who always play in an half-empty stadium. It just creates a bad vibe and I wouldn't be surprised if it affects the players a bit as well.
I'm not saying it will happen at Freiburg as well, it's just a feeling I have sometimes when watching Mainz or always when watching Hertha.Interesting theory. I guess we will know soon if it's true, as Freiburg just opened their new bigger stadium (capacity of the Europa-Park-Stadion: 34,700, Dreisamstadion: 24,000)
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Feels like it's always been Leipzig and Bayern, who have been hit by Covid this season, but maybe that's just because their cases get the most media exposure. In any case it seems a bit ironic that things were fairly under control before Christmas, but after a two week break, that some people in England have demanded, the infections are as rampant as ever. I guess locking down players over the holidays wasn't a realistic option.
I doubt that their vacation destinations were so different from the ones others went to - and they for sure can afford private airplanes and exclusive resorts. Question might be if all teams test in the same way (with PCR tests) Bayern does as the German FA right now as the latest hygienic concept of the German DFL does not require tests of vaccinated or recovered players. We might know more in some weeks...Yes, unfortunately not surprising in the least. Their vacation destinations were mentioned and when literally traveling the world you are bound to get it somewhere if you didn’t get your booster shot 2 weeks earlier
UlreichNow Davies tested positive, too. The game on Friday is seriously in doubt - Nagelsmann had 10 players in training today as Süle and Goretzka have injury problems - Davies was part of it!. The U23 is still in holidays and the U19 today just started with performance tests.
(The team right now is 100% vaccinated and who could boostered!)
Players available:
Ulreich, Pavard, Kimmich, Sabitzer, Roca, Musiala, Gnabry, Lewandowski, Müller, Tillman
+ the U23 goalkeeper and the U19 goalkeeper
Right now they do not even have a full team to start!