Laughable if you think that would solve anything long termForget last night's defeat to Wolves, it wasn't even the worst result of the season...
that was actually the 3-0 win at Spurs back in October
...as it meant we missed out on Conte
Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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There’s clearly a trust issue between the players and the board if that’s true.
I suspect it would have been only one or two dickheads at the club who decided to Google their future interim boss and then tell everyone they had to do so. I mean come on, you don’t have to live and breathe football to know what Rangnick has done at Leipzig. This is exactly why we need a clear out
If a player is genuinely leaking to a journo that they needed to google who Rangnick is like it is some justification for their atrocious performances then they need to get the feck out of the club right now.
Absolutely. Imagine being a professional footballer and coming out with that? He’s obviously told some of them they’re not all that and this is how they’re responding.
In the short term Conte would have sorted out the ego's in the dressing room.
As of right now it appears that Ralf is pandering to ego's.
In the long term Conte would have instilled his discipline onto the players... I'm certain the word 'lazy' would never be said about Utd player's if Conte was in charge.
With regards the long term regarding Ralf, even the player's don't know if he will stay on as manager at the end of the season - which creates a whole new problem in itself... players who are not getting a look in now, may simply decide to stay around and see if they can get a look in with any new manager.
The shit cycle just keeps going round and round, with no end in site.
Very lazy response
I think the response you gave was particularly lazy.
Hes come into United games straight away, we didn't hire him over an international break. Then the squad had covid and couldn’t train.
So you think he should just make snap decisions on team selection based on little data? He is obviously going to listen to his assistants (in the first few weeks) whilst he gets to know the team.
Its not his fault we didn't manage the transition well.
Firstly, at Chelsea, the overarching philosophy that runs through the club comes from upstairs. They don't wait for any manager to provide them with one. From Ranieri to Tuchel (Sarri and Lampard are the exceptions, but they both didn't last long), they appoint managers who prioritize good shape and adequate defensive organization. This leads to assembling a squad that, for the most part, is quite homogenous. It's their identity and you can see that their supporters are always ready to get behind their team whenever they assume the role of the underdog in big matches.
Which leads us to the most important part. With Roman's cash, Chelsea's squads are usually good enough to win titles, if a failing manager is replaced midway through the season. Most of the materials are already there, sometimes all they need is a new plan that will bring a breath of fresh air. And, of course, the players know that. So, if they see that the new instructions suit them, even as a short-term solution, they shut up and do their part. No one says no to lifting a trophy or two come the end of the season.
United wait for the manager to do all that and they can't even be consistent when they peak them. Yet, they expect everything to come together somehow by the grace of giving the manager time. Forget about Rangnick for a moment. Ask yourself this: This particular team, what kind of football can they play well? Can they press? Can they play possession football? Can they play out of the back? Then ask yourself: Why did they appoint Rangnick? The umbilical cord between any manager and the club's identity has to be severed. The assessing of the squad has to become an ever going process, regardless of who's at the helm. That's how you create a safety net to fall back on when things don't turn out as planned. Like Chelsea.
So Ogden waits for Rangnick to lose his first game before telling us that a player supposedly needed to Google him...
I bet they didn't have to look up Solskjaer's CV as a manager and there was nothing but high-fives at Carrington at the thought of being coached by such a prestigious name among Europe's managerial elites.
Top ex-players don't need managerial credentials to get their teams onside.
I think there are a lot of insecure personalities in our dressing room who are frightened of being exposed as not being good enough. They probably also suspect that Rangnick will try to have them shipped out when he moves upstairs so are downing tools for him already out of spite. They don't want what's best for the club, just in it for themselves.
ogden is an ignorant idiot. rangnick built hoffenheim and esp the red bull football machinery that produced or developed players like mane haaland etc. he is good at building a long term structure and that is exactly what united needs. there are no quick fixes and we may have to gget rid of a lot of players that are not willing to give their all. i hate english media and only hope that we give this guy the time to build something. in contrast to ole he did show in the past that he is capable of doing it
Similar leaks happened under LVG and Jose so its someone like Lingard, Shaw, Jones, DDG that when things are going difficult want to throw the manager under the bus. I doubt Lingard gives a shit now he's leaving so I doubt its him.
Apparently, they don't. All it takes is a few pats on the back and stories about the good ol' days. The issues start when said players feel comfortable to question the manager in the press and/or throw him under the bus while most of them have even less sparkling CVs to show for.
For players one of the more important things seems to be that the manager gets their situation. Some are certainly better tactically than others (Conte vs Ole for example) but one of the comments I frequently hear from players is that the manager understands what it's like for them and this seems to have a lot of importance these days. The development of this player culture is interesting and I wonder if it is why managers like Mourinho struggle these days.
This is the problem, alot of our players have no football IQ and knowledge which is why they didn't know who Ralf was.
One thing that has been common for a long time is how inconsistent our players are when passing. None of our players can produce accurate weighted passes with any consistency.We have seen too many unforced errors and possession losses with even 5 yard passes and this is from every forward and midfielder, no exceptions. How can any manager have a quick turn around with such shambolic passing. One moment Pogba, Bruno or Matic will produce a gem of a pass and the next moment they wouldn't be able to pick a runner just 10 yards away.I noticed our players starting to lose confidence to make runs and stayed put expecting balls to their feet but even these passes were being fluffed.This obviously creates a lot of pressure when we play teams that have a decent midfield or press high but this is also one of the biggest reasons we cannot score against low block teams, we reach their half unchallenged but when we have to thread a pass through or play a one-two we usually end up giving the ball away.
I had hoped Ole would address this, but he opted to go for counter attack and press instead of correcting our passing. It worked during the first 3 quarters of season but once the players started tiring we dropped off the cliff. We went through this for three seasons. This season he tried to address it but our players just couldn't pass and by the looks of it didn't want to press or run either. Now Rangnick is facing the same problem. You cannot play gegenpress if your players cannot find each other once you win the ball.
Atleast i can see he is trying to incorporate forward passing mentality into our players, we are still losing possession due to unforced errors but this problem cannot be solved overnight.Hopefully Rangnick has the training devised to solve this and slowly by the end of this season we atleast see better consistency in our players ability to find each other, if we can go beyond that it will be a miracle, we definitely need one to finish top 4.
I had hoped Ole would address this, but he opted to go for counter attack and press instead of correcting our passing. It worked during the first 3 quarters of season but once the players started tiring we dropped off the cliff. We went through this for three seasons. This season he tried to address it but our players just couldn't pass and by the looks of it didn't want to press or run either. Now Rangnick is facing the same problem. You cannot play gegenpress if your players cannot find each other once you win the ball.
Atleast i can see he is trying to incorporate forward passing mentality into our players, we are still losing possession due to unforced errors but this problem cannot be solved overnight.Hopefully Rangnick has the training devised to solve this and slowly by the end of this season we atleast see better consistency in our players ability to find each other, if we can go beyond that it will be a miracle, we definitely need one to finish top 4.
Don't get me wrong, i fully agree with that. And wasn't having a dig at Solskjaer in my initial post. I had just replied to someone asking why Chelsea's players don't question their interim managers so often, and i guess i took it from there when i read Ogden's tweets.
And it's certainly not the players' fault that we have assembled a mismatched squad that looks less than a promising side and more like an overpaid and underachieving team that Newcastle's petrodollars would have put together after throwing cash at the feet of any available player for a couple of years.
But Rangnick arrived here just yesterday. At clubs where player power can have its way more often than not, both the players and the ownership know that the team can achieve better things with a better atmosphere. This isn't the case at United, and it hasn't been for a long time. If they feel stressed and depressed because they feel that their time will soon be up, then so be it. I don't believe that Rangnick has managed to lay the foundations at some clubs from scratch by being a belligerent arsehole who always looks to pick up fights like Mourinho. As for the latter, he proved to be a bad appointment in the end, but some of his remarks about the quality and the attitude of some players seem to have some truth in them after all.
This. I don't care if we are relegated this season and do hope Ralf stays with us until his consulting period of 2 years. Just bring in the right players and take it from there. Fecking incompetent insecure bunch of players
He just simply has too much work to do to turn one of the most passive teams in the league under Solskjaer, into a proactive, front-foot pressing unit. United's statistics compared to other Premier League teams this season are pretty damning:
Thanks to Solskjaer, we're a team that sits deep, doesn't run very much and looks to clear the ball out of defence, rather than win it higher up the pitch:
It is going to take a long time to transform this squad from a rich man's Burnley into something fit for the modern game.
- Tackles attempted: 18th
- Tackles won: 19th
- No. of times pressing an opponent player: 18th
- No. of times gained possession within 5 seconds of pressing: 15th
- Pressures in the middle third of the pitch: 15th
- Pressures in the attacking third: 17th
Thanks to Solskjaer, we're a team that sits deep, doesn't run very much and looks to clear the ball out of defence, rather than win it higher up the pitch:
- No. of clearances: 5th
It is going to take a long time to transform this squad from a rich man's Burnley into something fit for the modern game.
I think they’re definitely in it for themselves and their fat contracts. No one else is paying what we’re paying and anyone that leaves ultimately takes a pay cut. However I’d say that they’re downing tools already because they don’t feel the need to impress someone who’s only here 5 more months potentially.
I only hope Ralf does move upstairs and we see the end of these personalities at the club.
Just read that so far we have conceded 80 shots from opposition whilst having only 74 ourselves since he took charge…
that would be a pretty terrible stat regardless of opposition.
but when you consider we have played Palace, Young Boys, Norwich, Newcastle, Burnley and Wolves… it’s absolutely atrocious.
hope he can turn this ship round and soon!
that would be a pretty terrible stat regardless of opposition.
but when you consider we have played Palace, Young Boys, Norwich, Newcastle, Burnley and Wolves… it’s absolutely atrocious.
hope he can turn this ship round and soon!
Chelsea have had so many interims it's hard to keep track
Ogden is a little cnut isn't he
I get the impression he thinks the article reflects badly on the manager, when really it shows the players up.
Yeah, he's just an opinionated tosser who is giving no facts or insight whatsoever
Honestly it was always going to be uphill to fix what Ole did.
Here's a timestamped video of Ole's approach, he was pretty defensive about it:
Here's a timestamped video of Ole's approach, he was pretty defensive about it:
It was certainly more thought out than the three words you wrote.
He said in his very first press conference that prior to joining us, he watched our games against Liverpool, City, Watford, Chelsea and Arsenal (the day before that presser).
Prior to the Wolves game, he had managed us for 5 games (Crystal Palace, Young Boys, Norwich, Newcastle and Burnley).
Decisions after 5 or 10 games cannot be considered snap decisions and it’s enough data to identify underperforming players. He can still refine and adjust his choices along the way. It’s also ok to sub a player having a bad game. He does not need ‘more data’ or somebody’s approval to do that.
Going back to my previous post, if he is listening to some of the same people who oversaw 4 points out of 21 during the previous regime, then he is obviously listening to the wrong people and is setting himself up to fail. And that’s the last thing any fan would want right now.
He has to drop Ronaldo or he will fail.
It’s in the eye of the beholder isn’t it? Shaw’s interview yesterday felt like an indictment of his teammates as well but he concluded by basically throwing a gauntlet to the manager that he hopes to see more ideas on the training pitch.
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Where did he say that? The only thing I can see from the interview is demanding more from his team mates in regards to motivation and effort. He’s quite clear in saying that they know what’s wanted of them but they’re not doing it, or some of them aren’t.
Ralf is someone who talks a big game but delivers nothing.
All I heard was heavy metal, pressing, I actually have seen no difference to when Ole was in charge.
At least with Ole, we created a few more chances than under Ralf. We barely create 1 chance a game.
All I heard was heavy metal, pressing, I actually have seen no difference to when Ole was in charge.
At least with Ole, we created a few more chances than under Ralf. We barely create 1 chance a game.
So you’re basing his whole career on the 5 games you’ve actually seen? Okay…
Did he explain the Greenwood sub?
He has had a good career but this is the PL. I am basing it on what I see infront of my eyes.
he hasn't been a manager in the last 18 months, he is not a coach.
He is good at giving the large one on control, pressing but we end up doing EXACTLY what we did under Ole.
I was told by the Caf that Ole was so bad that a half decent coach would get a tune out of us... I mean he has been in charge for 6 weeks and there is 0 difference.
When Ole came in, we saw a change of style and results
When Tuchel came into Chelsea we saw instant impact
When Klopp went to Liverpool we saw an instant impact.
Even if results dont go their way, the style, philosophy was there to be seen.
If you showed the performance under Ole v Ralf no one would guess there is a different manager.
One was deemed a PE teacher and one is deemed a master.
RR was brought in as an interim and with the knowledge that he hasn't been a hands on coach consistently throughout his career, his entire pull is the off the field planning and 'club building' that he is renowned for. His coaching remit is to put the basics of an offensive pressing system in place before the end of the season and that is now going to fall more and more on the 1st team coaches as that's not his strength. The issue isn't missing out on top four (as bad as that would be) it's that we have been on a slow and sticky downward spiral since SAF left and that fall needs to not only be stopped but also reversed. Recruitment was woeful under Ole and that was after the supposedly amazing transfer committee was formed, we also need to bring through more academy products. The club needs to completely change how it forward plans and recruits. Forget about seeing good football this season, at least not until Feb/Mar consistently.
By Ralfs 6 game in charge, what would you want to see from the team? And I’m presuming we also make definitive assessments of everyone we appoint after 5 games moving forward?
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