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Ralf Rangnick | ex-interim manager | does anyone rate him?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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What does that offer over what we’ve already been playing, other than VDB?
So in addition to adopting oles tactics and favourite players he has now adopted his penchant for deluded post match comments. Good structure and energy my arse, villa constantly progressed the ball through the middle of the pitch almost unchallenged with an uncoordinated one or two man press easily bypassed
He is a deadman walking already. Can't wait for the attack from Gary and the media on him, and non stop leaking story from dressing room to undermine him.
The attackers were absolutely buggered after an hour, you have to wonder what they've been doing in training to be that knackered / unfit.
Even though we win a fair few games under him it doesn't seem to lift the players, that's the worrying thing.
May be some control in the midfield
I don't really get the opinions where people are really disappointed or acting as if nobody could get these players to perform better (I mean Solskjaer did until a few months ago and he's not an elite manager). Rangnick as an interim was never going to be the greatest appointment for that particular role, he's not an elite manager, he's never managed a club of this size and he's barely coached at all in the last decade.
If we just wanted a bounce to get us through to the end of the season we would've gone for someone who is more of a man manager or at least has more experience of managing big clubs rather than going for someone with such a defined philosophy when there is so little time to work on the training ground, especially when a new manager will be coming in with yet another plan in a few months.
I would hope that the club gave him the role for the season just because they needed someone to do it and felt it was a reasonable sacrifice to take on an inferior interim manager (compared to some of the other short-term options) to ensure that his expertise as a consultant would be available to the club in the coming years.
If we just wanted a bounce to get us through to the end of the season we would've gone for someone who is more of a man manager or at least has more experience of managing big clubs rather than going for someone with such a defined philosophy when there is so little time to work on the training ground, especially when a new manager will be coming in with yet another plan in a few months.
I would hope that the club gave him the role for the season just because they needed someone to do it and felt it was a reasonable sacrifice to take on an inferior interim manager (compared to some of the other short-term options) to ensure that his expertise as a consultant would be available to the club in the coming years.
I agree. If McTominay was braver on the ball and tried/trusted his longer range passing he could be a very good all round player.
The passing has let him down until now. I want to see him demand the ball off the defenders.
I agree with everything you said, except that he’s the one that demanded the consultancy role. Our club is ran very poorly.
I did say I hoped that was the case in fairness (to cover my tracks) but you have a point. It just seems weird that he would be the preferred choice over some of the other names mentioned as interim managers who have achieved a lot more recently unless the plan was for him to potentially have some role for the long-term.
I really doubt that. The guy was in some Russian club. The club could or would have hired him for consultant role directly without any problem especially he was the one who demanded to be that role after 6 months. The club didn't even consider that initially. I suspect someone who had a lot of input in this decision was like some fans in CAF thinking high press is the only way went ahead and got this guy.
In hindsight of course, I was wondering if Carrick would haven been enough to steady the ship this season.
Hiring a guy for 6 month only with limited experience at this level ages ago probably turned out not a good thing as logic would say.
I am getting LVG's vibe at his worst.
THIS. SECONDED. AGREED.
I hope we stick with him until the end of the season at least. Another interim to the interim to the interim manager could upset our permanent appointment in the summer.
I do feel he will back out of his consultancy gig though. I'm no body language expert but his frustration is clear to see. At it should be. These players are absolutely hanging him out to dry.
Someone from the board needs to go into the dressing room and tell them what's up but they all have contracts at the end of the day so I doubt it would do any good.
Ole football wasn't this bad was it?
Perhaps he's a man who has great knowledge of the game and can mold excellent Managers but when it comes down to it isn't a very good Manager himself. This is the biggest club he's managed in his career by some distance, not really an issue given he's meant to be an interim, just hope we have a proper plan for the Summer and Rangnick gives solid advice to the next man on where we need to focus our summer transfer strategy (the fecking midfield).
Think we are seeing why this guy only has a German cup to his name and didn't get the call to join Bayern or Dortmund.
Steven Gerrard got this Villa team playing good football within 2 or 3 games and they just get better all the time. Villa are below us in the league so can't have better players.
This guy, interim he may just be, isn't the answer and never was. Don't see any progression from Ole and Carrick.
Steven Gerrard got this Villa team playing good football within 2 or 3 games and they just get better all the time. Villa are below us in the league so can't have better players.
This guy, interim he may just be, isn't the answer and never was. Don't see any progression from Ole and Carrick.
The guy who posted himself in a West Ham jersey a few weeks back? Feck off
If you're expecting a turn around in that timeframe given the state we were in then you're off your rocker.
Our performance have been lacklustre but the results have been decent enough. Our luck may run out or we'll improve hard to say at this stage.
He's given up.
Give him a chance. Having taken over a really toxic company in early 2017, I can attest that a change project takes time. People are generally resistant to change, and this will be a challenging process. I don't expect the fans or the media to be particularly understanding or supportive, because history tells us the reactions will be knee-jerk and toxic - just look at most of this forum - but as long as the hierarchy commit to the change process, it will ultimately bear fruit. Judging the end result on the pitch after a few games is the most short sighted of metrics by which to measure progress.
Some of the looks in his eyes are reminiscent of Ole...they both see that there's a lot of shortcomings within the players and that it's a big task which isn't an overnight fix. Going into this season, even with Ronaldo, United weren't going to challenge for the title because the gap between them and City/Liverpool, were too big. And it takes times for players to gel, especially when Ronaldo wasn't originally part of their plan.
Ralf knows what competent footballers look like and play like. Half the squad make such poor errors time and again. Their highs and lows are so drastic, so the inconsistencies are just as infuriating.
This has been a real shock to the core and I'm okay with it. Ralf is seeing this every day, and with Fletcher, then Murtough, with Ralf's input...it will be very interesting to see who the next manager is and what type of players will be shipped off, but then also identified.
Ralf knows what competent footballers look like and play like. Half the squad make such poor errors time and again. Their highs and lows are so drastic, so the inconsistencies are just as infuriating.
This has been a real shock to the core and I'm okay with it. Ralf is seeing this every day, and with Fletcher, then Murtough, with Ralf's input...it will be very interesting to see who the next manager is and what type of players will be shipped off, but then also identified.
Currently it looks like a marriage between a high pressing system and lazy slow motion players.
Ralf may not be a long term solution but his instructions are crystal clear and the problem is players inability to execute that. I trust his methods and actions , at least we are not conceding a lot.
Ralf may not be a long term solution but his instructions are crystal clear and the problem is players inability to execute that. I trust his methods and actions , at least we are not conceding a lot.
Yeah it feels like since that first half against Palace these players have lacked application
He has a clear tactical philosophy but not the right players for it, he should focus on motivating them to beef up their low confidence and then being pragmatic with tactical set up.
I was replying to a post about the last 6 weeks. You are talking about the full season. I am not saying we were good under Ole this year, please don’t read my post out of context.
we might have won 4 in 7 (which by the way isn’t a good run in such an easy run of games) but our performances are terrible. The football is so bad it hurts. The squad is disjointed and thing are looking tough
Ralf or no Ralf, the expectation at the start of the season that United would and should challenge for the league and more has been shown to be so far away from the reality. I thought, at least, United would mount a credible challenge for the league, possibly lasting until April. I don't know what I was thinking. A transfer window of one or two world class players doesn't seem enough. I just want to see a more confident display in the next match.
Right message, wrong messenger?
He's simply is the wrong appointment at the wrong time.
An interim is there to uplift the spirits and motivate people so they can perform. He is more of a man manager. Think of what Di Mateo, Grant, Hiddink or even Ole did. They are there to simply raise the spirits for a couple of months before they feck off.
Ralf on the other hand is a disciplinary tactician who doesn't have any experience in coaching big egos. His only experience if coaching mostly kids who are happy to be picked up from smaller leagues by his Red Bull clubs. Those players have a different mentality. They are willing to do whatever it takes to get picked up by one of the Top clubs.
Our group of players are different. In their mind they "already made it". So Ralf's approach won't work here. That's why our team looks so demotivated on the pitch. It's really hard to get motivated when your manager doesn't sound like someone who is going to throw an arm around you, but instead sounds like a school headmaster with a broom stuck up his arse(from the player's perspective). Especially when you know that he will feck off at the end of the season.
An interim is there to uplift the spirits and motivate people so they can perform. He is more of a man manager. Think of what Di Mateo, Grant, Hiddink or even Ole did. They are there to simply raise the spirits for a couple of months before they feck off.
Ralf on the other hand is a disciplinary tactician who doesn't have any experience in coaching big egos. His only experience if coaching mostly kids who are happy to be picked up from smaller leagues by his Red Bull clubs. Those players have a different mentality. They are willing to do whatever it takes to get picked up by one of the Top clubs.
Our group of players are different. In their mind they "already made it". So Ralf's approach won't work here. That's why our team looks so demotivated on the pitch. It's really hard to get motivated when your manager doesn't sound like someone who is going to throw an arm around you, but instead sounds like a school headmaster with a broom stuck up his arse(from the player's perspective). Especially when you know that he will feck off at the end of the season.
A significant portion of the players aren't on board with his philosophy or his methods and there's not much he can do about it for now. It's going to be a painful few months for him as well as us, I bet he can't wait to get behind a desk again.
Signing a decent midfielder would make things a bit more bearable though.
Signing a decent midfielder would make things a bit more bearable though.
I really can't wait until he leaves.
A below average manager who was just influential with his philosophy - a philosophy that was perfected by managers after him rather than himself.
A below average manager who was just influential with his philosophy - a philosophy that was perfected by managers after him rather than himself.
I feel the energy level today is better. can't say we executed high-pressing very well, but at least you find players now leaving positions to press. While we always couple steps late, we constantly got hit during the break , so Ralf mentioned "we were not in the pressing position".
Ralf resigned the head coach position from Hoffenheim in 2011 just because Chairman sold Gustavo to Bayern in mid season without his consent. You can tell that he stick to his principles without any back down. Ralf turned all his former clubs playing high-press football within weeks, if we eventually did not see high pressing football by the end of season, Believe it or not, the only reason would be the players. That's the time we know who should be washed out in the big overhaul.
Not trying to give excuses, but Ralf actually inherited a team of which the players are mostly unfit and can't really high-press, the COVID break is also a major set back to ground zero for his plan to build up fitness for the team. Today's game it looks Dalot, McT, Fred, Bruno are all fitter and already able to perform the needed intensity, once we have 8+ players up to the standard we should see the results of more synchronized pressing.
Ralf resigned the head coach position from Hoffenheim in 2011 just because Chairman sold Gustavo to Bayern in mid season without his consent. You can tell that he stick to his principles without any back down. Ralf turned all his former clubs playing high-press football within weeks, if we eventually did not see high pressing football by the end of season, Believe it or not, the only reason would be the players. That's the time we know who should be washed out in the big overhaul.
Not trying to give excuses, but Ralf actually inherited a team of which the players are mostly unfit and can't really high-press, the COVID break is also a major set back to ground zero for his plan to build up fitness for the team. Today's game it looks Dalot, McT, Fred, Bruno are all fitter and already able to perform the needed intensity, once we have 8+ players up to the standard we should see the results of more synchronized pressing.
I see posts constantly mentioned concerns "Ralf did not have experience and can't handle big ego" . That's really disrespectful of those players who broke through from fierce competition to achieve their success so far. If they ever watch any modern football, they must already know high-pressing with intensity is really the only way top clubs can achieve success. Even PSG with the top names of Mbappe, Messi and Neymar could not compete with Man City because of passengers not pressing together with the team.
If such "big ego" would like to achieve any success, they might be skeptical of Ole's game plan , but should not hold the same attitude towards the change Ralf would like to implement.
If such "big ego" would like to achieve any success, they might be skeptical of Ole's game plan , but should not hold the same attitude towards the change Ralf would like to implement.
Yes, It seems like our players cannot adapt in top team modern tactic than RR tactic is poor. It need time to train up the players mind set and ability. But RR has not enough time to see the result of the progress within his manager era.
Bring in Bissouma and Zakaria, then we should be good to go.
Or Tchouameni , Kessie , Bruno Guimaraes. Bottom line: they should be comfortable with balls, high-energy, and press resistant.
Or Tchouameni , Kessie , Bruno Guimaraes. Bottom line: they should be comfortable with balls, high-energy, and press resistant.
It is amazing that we can barely se any improvement so far! Players look completely lost out there. Still early days but the organisation is really at an all time low.
Is Ralf a misunderstood genius or is he clueless??
Is Ralf a misunderstood genius or is he clueless??
They really look like they are busy processing stuff that they are told on the training ground like they were coming from a training camp and playing the first friendlies after that. And like they are not really used to do more than just have some light conditioning, some keepy-uppies and 5v5 to end the sessions ...
Took Gerrard about two games to get Villa into shape. He's had no transfer window yet either. What's Ralf's excuse?
It was a bad appointment from the off. A sticking plaster until summer. Can't wait for the season to be over tbh.
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