Yes I agree with that but when you are justifying a stance on the degrees of how much you promote one murderous regime over another, surely you can see why it's rocky ground to be on.
What logic is this? and if you pay taxes to the UK government are you promoting the death of innocent civilians that government causes?
There are degrees of severity to everything in life. If you take issue with every last thing then everything from the clothes on your back to the device you are typing your response on will need to go in the bin. You might as well go and live in a cave again.
Yeah, I agree completely with you, at least the club's on record as objecting to that deal - but I suspect that was due to another major competitor with deeper resources emerging rather than any kind of moral stance.
What do you think of this? Selling the club's image to the Saudi regime's censorship/surveillance Telecom company?
The UK government is deeply moral. It only kills civilians that are based 5000 miles away at least. So this specfific moral stance about having zero business with murderous regimes doesn't apply.
I'm confused here - are you saying it's not a foreign policy decision? What else should I call it? That is quite literally what it was.
In what way is the state the greatest threat to the wellbeing of undocumented migrants? Also, undocumented migrants do work on building sites here, absolutely. That said, the British government don't confiscate passports - a practice that has been commonplace in Qatar - to stop migrant workers leaving the country. Also, building regulations enforcement and H&S protocols are, by and large, more stringent in the UK. It wasn't until 202 (after significant external pressures) that a nationwide health and safety policy was issued with the aim of protecting workers.
Closing the Consulate that the UK had in Gothenburg is a foreign policy decision. Using the same phrasing to describe what the UK & the US did to millions of Iraqi civilians puts you far off. Especially in a discussion about human rights.
People should be able to condemn Qatar and the WC 2022. I never said otherwise. I am pointing to it as a reason to equally condemn the 2005 decision to award the Olympics to the UK. And you are the one defending one regime obtaining the games and attacking another one obtaining the WC, by cherry-picking what you conveniently consider to be related to the events or not.
The state refuses to grant them the same rights that other legal foreign residents enjoy and keeps them under threat of deportation to extreme poverty or persecution. This is the perfect formula for modern slavery.
They are all kitted out in clothes made by child labourers in squalid conditions though innit
It is an insult to those who lost their lives and their families to call that just a result of a foreign policy decision. It was a greedy invasion decided behind evil doors caused the loss of more than ½ million life. Off course I will bring it up every time a person start lecturing the forum about human rights and cherry picking it only when it is one spot in the world (aka the middle east).
So are you saying that the invasion of Iraq wasn't a foreign policy decision? Because it was. Or are you taking issue with the fact that the phrase was too flat and descriptive?
I'm sorry to tell you but it was absolutely the result of a foreign policy decision and saying so is no insult. Politicians make decisions like that which have terrible consequences. It resulted in the tragic lots of a great number of lives and it's a shameful chapter in our history. Again, no arguments on that. But just because you don't like the term doesn't change the reality
So when will you boycott the premier league?
So, sorry, why are we boycotting the PL? I missed the infringement of workers' human rights there.
Are you suggesting that they should be documented to legalise their status? If so, what would be the point in having a visa system?
Exactly. I can't work out whether the argument is that people here illegally should automatically be naturalized or what. Which is obviously insane.
It is a thread about boycotting a sporting event that for the first time in the forum's history it exist, do you think this is a coincidence? the reason Iraq was brought is because we never see similar threads NOR media spotlight when the UK government host a similar event.
You have to think out of the box mate. Why is the largest population in the UK after the brits is of Indian origin?
I honestly don't know how many times I have to say this: there is a direct link between the world cup and the infringement of workers' human rights and in some cases their death. A direct link, as in they were building the stadia. The only link between the Olympics and Iraq is that the country hosting it was involved in the Iraq invasion. It has absolutely nothing else to do with it, so is it any great surprise that the two weren't connected? And no, I don't believe that the Qatari regime sacrificed 6500 people building 5 stadia. But I do believe that many workers human rights were infringed and a number of avoidable deaths occurred.
It was documented that only 3 workers lost their lives because of accidents directly related to building the stadiums and this number is less than the Brazil number (8) and Russia (17). So did you boycott Brazil world cup or Russia? Do you think workers human rights in Russia and Brazil are better than those in Qatar?
Id take that stat with a large pinch of salt if I were you: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...igrant-worker-deaths-in-past-10-years-amnesty
I was commenting on Eric's statement, which is completely valid.
The link does not work, but if you are referring to the gardian report I already explained in this post these numbers
I do not intend to boycott the UK or the US and I can't figure out where you got that Idea. I have a quite negative opinion of the ruling regimes in both countries. But that certainly does not mean I don't like these countries. And I certainly do not consider the West to be evil or I wouldn't be spending my entire life in the West.
No, I was not suggesting that. If we are genuinely looking for solutions, I'd prefer that we find the ones that help people stay at home and only migrate for joyful reasons (love, research, professional fulfillment..). Not out of despair and necessity.
I never said that their HR records within their respective borders were appalling. At least not recently.
It's a different article. It talks about the unreliability in how figures are reported. The amnesty article upon which it's based can be found here: https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-re...orker-deaths-remain-uninvestigated-new-report
I was referring to the notion that one may boycott the Olympics because of the Iraq invasion - two entirely unrelated events. My point was that logic could be extended ad infinitum to little benefit. And again, you're still missing the point. The human rights abuses taking place are directly connected to the world cup. Directly connected. Which is why many are talking about boycotting.
Late Nov and Dec temperatures are around 25 degrees max 15 min in Qatar. It wont be that different from that in a European summer tournament maybe even better than southern European summer climate. About safety:
That’s good it will be safe to play but as you say though that is in winter time, it tears apart the whole football calendar just to accommodate the heat.Late Nov and Dec temperatures are around 25 degrees max 15 min in Qatar. It wont be that different from that in a European summer tournament maybe even better than southern European summer climate. About safety:
Safety of foreigners? 80% of the population are foreigners, you can barley see Qataris in the streets. So your statement is false. You said it is not safe for the fans, and that is false, Qatar is one of the safest countries in the world, it is not even comparable to cities like Paris or London. There are multiple nationalities with different religions living there 14% hindus and 14 Christians and 3% Buddhists so your statement is not true. But one thing you are right about, they are still a bit secular state (although not Saudi level).
First you said it is not safe. Then when someone pointed out, it is safe, you are making "humane punishments" excuse. The key point is you are safe if you follow local laws. Which is pretty much the same in many countries.
My statement isn’t false, your talking about rich foreigners in Qatar, of course it’s safe for them. I am talking about all foreigners. It’s a fact that it’s a dangerous country for foreign workers, so many horror stories of maids and construction workers. Many are treated without dignity and like a slave. By the way, these deaths weren’t included in your statistics. 70% of all foreign worker deaths in the last 10 years are unexplained:
He didn’t point out it’s safe at all mate. I couldn’t give a crap about some stats of the internet. Of course it’s safe walking in a mall in Doha but 6500 foreigners died building the stadiums by for this World Cup alone. Don’t remember any foreigners dying to build all our stadiums in England. I am also sure all those foreigners were following local laws.
I'm not the one calling kettle black
What are you talking about?
Probably because of the British colonization of the Indian subcontinent...
I’m sure London has higher crime rates than Doha but those numbers are nonsense.Late Nov and Dec temperatures are around 25 degrees max 15 min in Qatar. It wont be that different from that in a European summer tournament maybe even better than southern European summer climate. About safety:
