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Last Man Standing champion 2019/20
He should have received the ball from Mason. He was completely free. Players are so selfish at times.
Do tell --XGs do. And they indicate that he's had plenty of chances but that he's underperforming in terms of finishing.
We need to avoid judging contributions by only moments around the goal. It wasn't just one isolated play he deserved credit for. That was one of his many forays into deeper positions that springboarded several attacks. He won't get the goal but he'll facilitate it. Was important it paid off so it's not like he played a selfless role and didn't get rewarded.Worked hard, but was pretty meh today overall.
Surprised to see some people here big up his contribution to the goal.It wasn’t anything special, Cavani did the difficult part.
EVen xG is a somehwat flawed stat. All I'm saying is I've watched all our games and I really don't see us creating any great chances for him. Apart from maybe the West Ham game away. No other game this season would I say we've served him chances on a platter and he's messed up.XGs do. And they indicate that he's had plenty of chances but that he's underperforming in terms of finishing.
There was only one key pass in the winner. That was Cavani's. The preassist from Martial that released him wasn't a key pass either.He is doing his best, that’s what we want see from everyone. He defended and cleared many crosses and led that key pass to our winning goal and he needs some unselfish players to release him. But we still awful at creating chances.
It's the most accurate stat there is to describe goalscoring chances and it flies in the face of what you just said.EVen xG is a somehwat flawed stat. All I'm saying is I've watched all our games and I really don't see us creating any great chances for him. Apart from maybe the West Ham game away. No other game this season would I say we've served him chances on a platter and he's messed up.
Did the ball levitate itself onto Cavani's foot?There was only one key pass in the winner. That was Cavani's. The preassist from Martial that released him wasn't a key pass either.
This has been the story of strikers at united for years. Our wingers are strikers so they go for goal rather than looking to feed the striker and the only creative outlet in the centre is Bruno. This is why for me our team works better with a creative CF (like in form Martial) rather than a more traditional striker. Ronaldo will face the same issues that cavani faced last season and lukaku before him. They will score a decent number of goals due to their quality but will always be limited by the fact greenwood and rashford are more likely to shoot than pass/cross.EVen xG is a somehwat flawed stat. All I'm saying is I've watched all our games and I really don't see us creating any great chances for him. Apart from maybe the West Ham game away. No other game this season would I say we've served him chances on a platter and he's messed up.
I'll admit its speculation on my behalf.I don't buy the argument that Sancho and Greenwood would have been better without Ronaldo.
Sancho was crap way before Ronaldo came in. He was not even used in the English team. I have doubt that he is as good as people see him in the German league. Our history of signings from them would tell you that we should be cautious.
Greenwood was great in that season which was 2 seasons ago. He was more or less like this season last season until pretty late.
Point is that we don't have another striker who can play like the likes of Benzema or Firmino already in the squad. Greenwood has been playing on the right for two managers. As I said, they probably don't see him as a CF for now if ever.
And RVN moved because of Ronaldo or Rooney is as I said a bit of BS. He could have been in that winning team if he didn't piss of SAF. Ronaldo would have developed regardless of RVN being there or not which he was showing constantly with him in the team. It was just that both him and Rooney developed a lot at that stage of their career which is normal and that conceded with RVN leaving.
You would still end up with Martial or Cavani playing at no 9 which is not exactly upgraded to this version of Ronaldo in general. With that being said, I don't advocate for starting Ronaldo all the time.
Tell me how you think the ball got to Cavani. Next, tell me where in that play the "key pass" was. I'm waiting.Did the ball levitate itself onto Cavani's foot?
You seriously need time out from this thread, we won important game and he play his part on winner.Tell me how you think the ball got to Cavani. Next, tell me where in that play the "key pass" was. I'm waiting.
We need to avoid judging contributions by only moments around the goal. It wasn't just one isolated play he deserved credit for. That was one of his many forays into deeper positions that springboarded several attacks. He won't get the goal but he'll facilitate it. Was important it paid off so it's not like he played a selfless role and didn't get rewarded.
Also imo why people continue to underrate Rooney till this day while all his strike partners got the glory of his all round play.
Martial passed to Cavani.Did the ball levitate itself onto Cavani's foot?
Did you get his XG stats yet?Did the ball levitate itself onto Cavani's foot?
Pointing out that Martial and not Ronaldo didn't play the pass that released Cavani isn't criticismYou seriously need time out from this thread, we won important game and he play his part on winner.
So enjoy, not right game to criticizing him.
XGs do. And they indicate that he's had plenty of chances but that he's underperforming in terms of finishing.
xG for a single player over half a season is likely to be quite noisy. Talk about 'underperformance' from such a number has very little worth.It's the most accurate stat there is to describe goalscoring chances and it flies in the face of what you just said.
his finishing has been a bit underwhelming but this kind of thing is why these stats aren't as advanced as people describe. Let's look at Ronaldo's contributions that gets overlooked (i) pressured West ham defender to play a rushed diagonal to a man that was heavily marked, (ii) receives the ball and releases it to Cavani but not before drawing 2 West ham defenders giving Martial and Cavani the numbers advantage at the edge of the box (you didn't think it was luck coincidence we just had 2 open players in that position).There was only one key pass in the winner. That was Cavani's. The preassist from Martial that released him wasn't a key pass either.
I saw Bruno* pass to Ronaldo who passed to Martial who passed to Cavani who passed to Rashford who scored. Cavani gets the assist. They're all key passes in that goal happening.Tell me how you think the ball got to Cavani. Next, tell me where in that play the "key pass" was. I'm waiting.
Yeah of course Rashford gets the goal and Cavani gets the assist but the two of them plus Ronaldo and Martial all did well for the goal. It was a nice team goal.I saw Bruno* pass to Ronaldo who passed to Martial who passed to Cavani who passed to Rashford who scored. Cavani gets the assist. They're all key passes in that goal happening.
Did that take too long?
*still can't swear that was Bruno
They're not all key passes Now, why did you ask whether the ball "levitated" to Cavani's foot when Martial played the pass?I saw Bruno* pass to Ronaldo who passed to Martial who passed to Cavani who passed to Rashford who scored. Cavani gets the assist. They're all key passes in that goal happening.
Did that take too long?
*still can't swear that was Bruno
Yes, what we need to see more of.Yeah of course Rashford gets the goal and Cavani gets the assist but the two of them plus Ronaldo and Martial all did well for the goal. It was a nice team goal.
I didn't taking about who goal score or who got assist, it was general point after reading so many your posts after game we won.Pointing out that Martial and not Ronaldo didn't play the pass that released Cavani isn't criticism
As far as your point goes, take your own advice. Feel free to contribute, or go elsewhere and celebrate.
Which ones can be omitted and have the play still succeed in a goal?They're not all key passes Now, why did you ask whether the ball "levitated" to Cavani's foot when Martial played the pass?
Everyone did very well on the goal. We just need to do more of this stuff, and players need to have confidence to believe that they have quality to play like this.his finishing has been a bit underwhelming but this kind of thing is why these stats aren't as advanced as people describe. Let's look at Ronaldo's contributions that gets overlooked (i) pressured West ham defender to play a rushed diagonal to a man that was heavily marked, (ii) receives the ball and releases it to Cavani but not before drawing 2 West ham defenders giving Martial and Cavani the numbers advantage at the edge of the box (you didn't think it was luck coincidence we just had 2 open players in that position).
But stats give Cavani more credit for playing a low cross square pass. Sorry if all they do is describe the final moments before the goal then it just tells us not to give them the final say.
You seem too invested in what a poster has to say. Make your own point, if you have one. Otherwise, take your own advice, because this isn't useful and has nothing to do with Ronaldo's performances, which is what this thread is about.I didn't taking about who goal score or who got assist, it was general point after reading so many your posts after game we won.
It's look like you have some serious hate toward him.
That isn't the definition of a key pass.Which ones can be omitted and have the play still succeed in a goal?
That's why they're all "key".
Literally he get a life mate. Seriously I've never seen a poster so hell bent on a crusade.That isn't the definition of a key pass.
That's why analysis of anything requires more than reading numbers on a stat sheet. Watching the play today would show that there wasn't one key pass, but several. It was a great team goal, not one player's "key pass".That isn't the definition of a key pass.
Lashing out doesn't constitute a discussion of Ronaldo's performances. If you have anything to contribute regarding his performances, do that. No need to get emotional.Literally he get a life mate. Seriously I've never seen a poster so hell bent on a crusade.
Great post. I'm totally on board with Greenwood being developed in that role. It's his time to shine and we're still dreaming about signing Raiola clients while having our current attacking set up centered around a 37 year old on the way outGreenwood FFS. Everyone complains about his selfishness (and that has to improve) but the lad has always been a striker. We have wasted his career so far with him consistently being played everywhere but the position that he showed mercurial talent in in his whole youth career.
Anyone who says it would be a disaster clearly felt the same when we sold RVN or Hughes, Ince and Kanchelkis.
It's simply about time we started taking risks as a club again, like we used to.
For example Diallo should have a squad place ahead of Lingard, Hannibal instead of Mata. This should have happened last year FFS. Think of the wages we would have saved.
Like DVB in midfield, no one can say for sure Mason wouldn't work, up front, because we have simply never tried it. Imagine if Klopp had simply bought a proven RB instead of giving TAA a chance.
I already made my point in first post.You seem too invested in what a poster has to say. Make your own point, if you have one. Otherwise, take your own advice, because this isn't useful and has nothing to do with Ronaldo's performances, which is what this thread is about.
Again, they are not key passes. They're important passes. There's a distinction.That's why analysis of anything requires more than reading numbers on a stat sheet. Watching the play today would show that there wasn't one key pass, but several. It was a great team goal, not one player's "key pass".
Not saying that Cavani's part wasn't critical. I don't think it would have happened if he wasn't there.
"Ronaldo in that pocket is killing us again," said one of the West Ham analysts. He was there for the winner, freeing Martial and Cavani on the left and Rashford on the right.
The West Ham coaching staff paced the sideline, trying in vain to plot a path to stop Ronaldo finding spaces between the lines. "He's destroying us with those drop-offs, the positions he's taking up are brilliant" lamented one staff member.
Nope. There were 4 key passes (Bruno to Ronaldo, Ronaldo to Martial, Martial to Cavani, and Cavani to Rashford). Perhaps you mean there is only one "Key Pass" as defined by someone somewhere in their statistical analysis.Again, they are not key passes. They're important passes. There's a distinction.
I don't disagree that focusing on statistics might not be the best way to analyze a football match because the impact of some players is ignored. But just wanted to clarify that there was technically only one key pass there.
Well we are obviously going by the actual definition of a key pass rather than your personal definition.Nope. There were 4 key passes (Bruno to Ronaldo, Ronaldo to Martial, Martial to Cavani, and Cavani to Rashford). Perhaps you mean there is only one "Key Pass" as defined by someone somewhere in their statistical analysis.
But glad you agree that that's not the way to analyze a football match. Wish people would remember that.