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The only bit of excitement or joy that can be generated from this season after our CL exit now is the announcement of our new manager. Whether it’s ETH, Poch or whoever else, I hope we get an announcement before the end of the season
Rangnick ain't his mate.
What's there to be excited about? The same lot will be there next season stinking the place up and in the process getting new contracts. This mess is beyond what a manager can fix. This club is not about football anymore.
At least PSG went out to Real Madrid and realistically they should have gone through. It was a comedy of errors that cost them. Ajax just went out to the 3rd best team in Portugal. Frankly I don't feel very comfortable with either of them atm. However, I didn't think our squad of players would respect ETH even before, now that he's gone out to Benfica he's going to be up against it immediately. At least the players would have respect for Pochettino coming in. At this stage I'm just hoping Tuchel is somehow available.
We'll still be shit next season. I don't give a shit who's going to be our next manager anymore. Just end this season and let us have few good months of summer break without Man United to worry about.
ETH will be much better than Poch, but no manager is fixing this mess. With this board, unproven DoF and chairman, we are going nowhere.
If it was a one off, sure. But they lost over 2 legs. That Ajax team has better players than Benfica. It's really poor of Ajax to not progress given the draw they got. Biggest issue is actually getting our players to buy into Ten Hag now. I suspect it would be a similar situation to Rangnick where many players simply don't respect him enough or trust his ability.
The players are shite so who cares. Gut the wasters who dont rate the new manager and start again
I say burn this squad to the ground and buy smart young players for cheap like RBL does and go from there.
If majority of these lot are there next season, i am skipping next season. I know it wont make any difference other than restoring some of the sanity i have lost watching this group throw it away this season.
Pochettino also has Neymar, Messi, Verratti and Mbappe on his team. Ten Hag's team was stripped of all of it's best players and he has had to rebuild with players like Haller, Blind and Tadic. Not only that but by all accounts they dominated the match and lost to Darwin Nunez, who is a quality player in line for a massive transfer this summer. I'm not saying one or the other is better but there has to be some context here when you consider these things
Right we'll win the league with 11 academy players
We’re not winning the league next season. Gut the squad and build for the long termRight we'll win the league with 11 academy players
God help whoever takes on this job.
This current Ajax team has loads of talented players. He had to rebuild the squad and he did a good job but with the exception of Nunez none of those Benfica players would geti into Ajax's team. Antony, Gravenberch and Mazraoui are very highly regarded and wanted by a number of top clubs across Europe. Tadic, Blind, Berguis and Haller are also very good players who add experience. They have one of the top keepers in Europe too (who's already agreed to join Inter next season). I like the way ETH gets his teams to play, but this doesn't feel like a good choice for a Utd manager to me.
Ajax lost the tie thanks to 2 GK mistakes. Pasaveer couldn't parry the equalizer in the first leg and Onana completely made a mockery of today's goal.
And who are these Ajax players that are better than Verthogen, Otamendi, Wiegl, Taarabt and Nunez?
You can't replace that many players in a single season. People acting like the players' opinion is irrelevant yet the majority of them will abviously still be starting for us next season. Anyone who thinks we're getting more than 5 1st team players (we won't even get that many) is deluded.
Love Scholes but what is he talking about?
All this side needs is a good coach, there is a good bunch of player, Ragnick not the answer, sick of people talkign about needing 6/7 and spending £200m.
Honestly, he backed Ole for three years even though his coaching was awful, salting |Ragnick after 20 games. We had a good tactical coach in Van de Gaal, a manager past his best by a mile but still a decent manager in Mourinho.
The problem Paul isnt the management, its the players! We actually played well this evening without creating much at all.
We have a squad of squad players, that is the problem, the recruitment has been absolutely dreadful by pretty much all the managers.
Stop saying this is a talented bunch of players and isntantly contradicting.....its not as good as the top two.
We have a quality keeper, outside of that, none of the full backs have done well over any sustained period of time, Varane is the only quality centre back we have, we avent a single central midfield player performance wise who would be playing for any top side, we laud Fernandes who has given the ball away consistently for a year now and compare him to Cantona, from a formidable attack our most consistent player is one just stepped out of the youth side and we are relying on two ageing strikers.
Yes there are some talented players on paper but ho wmany of them are performing anything other than sporadically....in a lot of cases, it is the individuals and there characters.
We need exactly what you are talkign against Paul. A manager that comes in with balls and clears our 10-15 players who are all on ridiculous money they are simply not earning, many of which want to go....good, get that shirt off your back, you are not worthy of it.
There are seven positions in our first eleven that need upgrading, so of coruse we need 6/7 signings, but we need to get the right players with ability, hunger and the right attitude.
This thread is about the next manager? Who? Ten Hag is flavour of the month and what has he actually shown? Pochetinno I like but is he THE man to take us forward, Im not so sure. Who else is there, older managers who would be the wrong options. Yet again its all about timing........we seriously screwed up yet again, not replacing Ole with Nagelsmann two years ago...he was the answer, jsut as Klopp was when Fergie retired.
Beign negative, I dont see the right man available this summer, some good managers like COnte dont fit for me, good coaches like Potter who I dont feel are ready for such a big challenge....But whoeever comes in, if they keep some of these current players they shouldnt and dont sign the right ones....they havent got a hope truly
All this side needs is a good coach, there is a good bunch of player, Ragnick not the answer, sick of people talkign about needing 6/7 and spending £200m.
Honestly, he backed Ole for three years even though his coaching was awful, salting |Ragnick after 20 games. We had a good tactical coach in Van de Gaal, a manager past his best by a mile but still a decent manager in Mourinho.
The problem Paul isnt the management, its the players! We actually played well this evening without creating much at all.
We have a squad of squad players, that is the problem, the recruitment has been absolutely dreadful by pretty much all the managers.
Stop saying this is a talented bunch of players and isntantly contradicting.....its not as good as the top two.
We have a quality keeper, outside of that, none of the full backs have done well over any sustained period of time, Varane is the only quality centre back we have, we avent a single central midfield player performance wise who would be playing for any top side, we laud Fernandes who has given the ball away consistently for a year now and compare him to Cantona, from a formidable attack our most consistent player is one just stepped out of the youth side and we are relying on two ageing strikers.
Yes there are some talented players on paper but ho wmany of them are performing anything other than sporadically....in a lot of cases, it is the individuals and there characters.
We need exactly what you are talkign against Paul. A manager that comes in with balls and clears our 10-15 players who are all on ridiculous money they are simply not earning, many of which want to go....good, get that shirt off your back, you are not worthy of it.
There are seven positions in our first eleven that need upgrading, so of coruse we need 6/7 signings, but we need to get the right players with ability, hunger and the right attitude.
This thread is about the next manager? Who? Ten Hag is flavour of the month and what has he actually shown? Pochetinno I like but is he THE man to take us forward, Im not so sure. Who else is there, older managers who would be the wrong options. Yet again its all about timing........we seriously screwed up yet again, not replacing Ole with Nagelsmann two years ago...he was the answer, jsut as Klopp was when Fergie retired.
Beign negative, I dont see the right man available this summer, some good managers like COnte dont fit for me, good coaches like Potter who I dont feel are ready for such a big challenge....But whoeever comes in, if they keep some of these current players they shouldnt and dont sign the right ones....they havent got a hope truly
The keeper is shite too. Not one for mordern day football
Replied above you with a list of players. Nunez is excellent so he's an exception but the rest are not as good as Ajax's players.
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Keep seeing these type of comments and were laods of them with Ole the first couple of years and agreeign with a process.
Gettign the deals done in one summer is difficult. But if you have a squad of players not gelling, why does several new players at once seem to be a problem gelling? Both Guardiola and Klopp....first two sumemr windows had a huge turnaround of players in and out.
I do agree with you and its totally wrong when you say you dont think there will be more than 5 if 5. I think there will be 4/5 but at least one will be a smaller gamble signing like a Daniel James. Its something we have done so many summers, forgetting the signings being wrong....always numbers wise been 1/2 less than we needed and noweher near enough out. Last summer summed it up perfectly, we signed 3 quality players, I think only Daniel James left, we failed in the most important area of central midfield too. Im surprised how poor we have been, but I wasnt surprised Ole was sacked and I am not surprised we havent been close to competing for a trophy again as so many predicted. Look at some of the dross that is still here at the club, players that have barely played, playes that are old, players that are always injured, big players who havent performed for more than a few weeks, players who simply arent godo enough....and some of these players have been here for a long time now
All of them are better because of the coaching they received from ETH. Hence my question. Haller, Blind and Tadic were all deemed PL flops when they joined Ajax.
Even De Jong, Ziyech, De Ligt, Donny have all failed to recapture the form they had at Ajax and that landed their big money moves.
Ability wise, not a single Ajax player is on par with their Benfica counterparts. Despite that Benfica camped in their 18 yard box for 75% of the tie.
That right there clearly shows who they thought were the better coached team.
I dont agree personally but I am a stick in the mud. Think its good how much better technically players in positions are and espcially in England. But jsut personal opinion, I think there is an obsession with wing backs going forard, false 9s, pivots, roles liek a 6 and an 8.
A lot of it is nothing new, its just an adaption or rename/rebrand of football before.
yes, DeGea isnt brilliant with his feet, but he isnt awful either, may not be progressive but he isnt regressive and he has kept us in many games with his saves, which is th emost important thing for me. Obviousloy he isnt goign or being replaced, but who would you even replace him with that makes a huge difference that way and is still quality? Oblak for example is often lauded and despite this season, quite rightly, but he isnt really a modern keeper with his feet either. All for Henderson going and replacing him with an exciting young keeper like Vandervrodt for example to challenge DeGea and maybe in the wau you want, but replace him and he is shite....come on now?
Luis Enrique- if he will have us- should be the next manager of the club. Somebody dramatically different from what we've had and who will have the balls to actually make the required changes. Pochettino and Ten Haag will start Maguire for 38 more games next year, barely make any changes to the squad because they're still "assessing the squad", and preach "patience" and "time." There is no room for "time" with this bunch anymore. We need radical change immediately or we are stuck in this rut for a very long time. Mass clearout/demotion was needed 2 years ago. How critical do you think that need is now? No time for yes men or nice guys.
God himself would stay clear of this club.
After ten hag failed to beat the underdog in benefica and Ralf ragnick doing incredibly poorly, the smartest decision has to be Pochettino. If anyone analyzed his performance against real Madrid, his team dominated them when you put both tie together collectively. His team played with a lot of swagger only for their defenders to gift real Madrid the goals. He did this with attackers who don't defender well off the ball and two who barely contribute in terms of output.
I feel that De Gea could work as no.1 going forward IF we don't go with the usual Maguire - Mcfred core in front of him - I feel that exacerbates his weaknesses and vice versa. So its either you replace the keeper with someone with better positioning and distribution, or you replace our central core so they wouldn't be as handicapped by a keeper who likes to stay glued to his line.
Was Ajax not dominating and playing with swagger vs Benfica?
Pochettino is going to get the job,some people might struggle with it but I reckon they have 3 months to make peace with it
Again, Ajax dominated that game by some margin, they went out to a single goal against the run of play.
Poch has also failed to beat the underdog - and the fact he lost 3-1 in the return leg with the players he has is more embarrassing and doesn't exactly spell a 'dominant' performance, but he's a bottle merchant so nothing new for him.
The problem isn't Rangnick. This is not his squad. The problem is the mess he inherited. Ole was always a mediocre-at-best manager, and the squad he built makes no sense. You cannot fix that mid-season. The fundamental problem is: Van Gaal, Mourinho, Rangnick - these are all different philosophies. This is not how top clubs are run these days. You need to hire the managers that suit your philsophy. Problem is if there is no philosophy.
The fans who now want to boot Rangnick are part of the problem. The damage had already been done. But for once don't run this club emotionally, but with logic, reason and a long-term vision. AND it likely needs to get worse before it gets better - see Arsenal.
These posts are beyond embarrassing now
I just want to get this over with so we can finally get over our bizarre obsession with him, inevitably sack him after 2-3 years once we predictably realise he's not all that (cue shocked pikachu face), and THEN hopefully start a proper rebuild at 5th time of trying.
ETH and Potter must be our first choice. If you don’t see it, you are not different than Glazer fraudsters.
Ajax and Benfica are about the same level in European football standards. ETH has elevated Ajax to a place that people think they are big favourites in that tie.
Anyway I base my opinion off his body of work not a single two-legged tie. Otherwise I’d have been Fergie out after Dortmund, Vienna or Porto.
Didn't he beat underdog sides like Ajax, Dortmund, etc. On the way to the final? Along with world class sides like Madrid and City.
We dont know what ETH is because he is not proven outside the Dutch league but for all the wanking weve had over him, you'd expect his Ajax team to dispatch Benfica over two legs. 4 goals domestically conceded all season and he shipped 3 in that tie.
It just goes to show, when you're tested in other levels the holes start to show. Even Poch lost some games that Spurs played well in when they exited cups, but he was still marked a bottler.
Diabolical last six days for the two leading contenders wasn't it. Probably shows Tuchel is ahead of both but never going to leave Chelsea because someone will rescue them.
Well its 100% the latter for me. Remember people talking about how Maguire needs a godo patner to flourish as would the midfield with a better quality ball playing centr back behin fthem.....then we signe Varane and asnt improved.
Agree with the exacerbates comment. But Maguire moves the ball to slow, moves to slow so doesn tgive FeGa confident and McFred in the pivot just dont hav ethe quality or intelligence to play there week in week out as starters. We definately need a new centre back and two central midfielders, whether that from youth within the club (which not that confident in, especially starting) or with signings, its exactly what we needed in the summer and we still do now. When we signed Maguire I thought we needed two centre backs and could have got them for a simialr price we paid for him, top ones too
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