As opposed to all the other weapons NATO countries have given Ukraine?
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The Ukrainians are already receiving Stingers and Javelins from NATO, and Turkey has been supplying them with the Bayraktar drones they are using to hit Russian ground targets, so this wouldn't be anything new. It would however make it harder for the Russians to fly over Ukraine, which would ostensibly give the Ukrainians aspects of the no fly zone they've wanted from the beginning.
I think it’s much less common in the baltic states and when it comes to youth (<25) in Lithuania (where I’m coming from) there’s probably less than 10% that can speak Russian to any level. I just grew up in the small region where Russian is widely spoken still, including my family. Although, this experience will not translate to other post-soviet countries where Russian is still very much present in the public to a great degree as @Water Melon has mentioned.
Just a thought I've been pondering but all of these soldiers that clearly don't wanna be there and are shocked and appalled by the response from Ukrainian citizens to their occupration.
What happens when they go back to Russia feeling throughly demoralised and pissed off that they've been sent away for something like this?
Do they kick off at the Kremlin, maybe in rather large numbers?
What happens when they go back to Russia feeling throughly demoralised and pissed off that they've been sent away for something like this?
Do they kick off at the Kremlin, maybe in rather large numbers?
Highly doubtful there would be enough of them to make a difference. If Putin falls it will be through an inner circle coup or a popular uprising among Russian civilians, with some support from the security apparatus.
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I do wonder if eventually the peaceful protests by the occupied Ukrainians turn into more violent resistance.
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I'm pretty sure it will if the Russians don't pull out of the new territory they've occupied.
Not only would the Russians have to tie up large numbers of troops for their defence of those areas (troops they can ill-afford, given their ongoing losses), but also those troops will in my view increasingly become the target of assassinations, road-side bombs, grenades lobbed through open doors/windows into vehicles, plus never-ending hit-and-run attacks by the Ukrainian military. It will become a nightmare for Russian soldiers if they don't withdraw.
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And I thought we learned plenty enough on how to abide by international laws when it comes to war-related conventions in the last 7 decades or so. Taking civilians away into (concentration) camps is the worst of all.
Fecking twats, those Russian troops taking part in this.
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Yes obviously NATO is providing weaponry but that's just like Cold War. Give weapons but you fight stuff
This feels, at least to me, a more direct action from a NATO state to actively do something against Russia/take something of theirs
Orban’s Hungary is a trojan horse, unfortunately.
Yeah, way too heavy at this point. Some interesting companies out there working on the battery problem, my brother is invested in one.
He's very good at catering his message to his audience isn't he? Fair play to him
Playing a blinder so far. Can’t help thinking though the longer this drags the less effective his messaging will be.
How? The SAM launchers will be given to Ukraine and Ukraine will operate them.
Turkey can't be excited about the idea of Russia taking Ukraine, Georgia and Armenia, getting their army much closer to Turkey.
But then Russia won't want to sell them any more S-400s if they send them to Ukraine either.
It depends where they are. Most of these cities in the south were not equipped and able to prepare an armed resistance. Even the military retreated to a better tactical position and gave these cities up without too much resistance. It will be very different in cities defended by the military and with enough willing insurgents who have had time to prepare. Protesting like this is what they should be doing.
All this does make me laugh though when people say that there’s nothing that the Russians in Russia can do to protest and end this war. The problem is far too more of them are supportive of this war or complicit with their indifference than we really want to admit. There’s not that critical mass of people willing to give their lives for change as there was and is in Ukraine, and almost was in Belarus.
Sure, that's why he tried a fast attack first. But leveling cities is pretty much his only military option at this point. He'd rather rebuild Ukraine under Russian control than see it strong and independent. A strong Ukraine would be impossible to control.
How can you… be, how can you exist and still feel anything but distain for yourself after doing something like this. It’s not even a quasi-military situation anymore where you can try to shield yourself by the enemy narrative.
One thing that I have not seen mentioned is how lucky Russia have got with the weather. Global warming is making Spring all over Europe much warmer than it used to be, but there’s been so little rain or snow to soften the ground and demoralise the troops further. They have almost had the perfect weather so far.
Yep. If he can’t have it, no-one will.
I'm worried that, like Trump, Orban intends to hold the line with the EU until he wins reelection next month. Then he will be more disruptive and torpedo EU sanctions.
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Here’s the full article he referenced in post 5 for anyone who wants to read it. From The Institute for the Study of War report by Frederick Kagan, George Barros and Kateryna Stepanenko from March 19th.
http://www.iswresearch.org/2022/03/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment_19.html
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Turkey have been supplying drones, why would this be any different?
Pretty much the opposite vis à vis the ground, they waited too long to invade. They needed frozen ground for their mechanized divisions. That’s why we’ve seen pics of stuck weaponry in the mud. I wouldn’t be surprised if the soft conditions have hampered the infamous stuck convoy. Temps have been temperate, but that helps both sides.
The mud definitely has had a massive impact, as it limits the Russian trucks to operate on roads. Block the roads, and they can't go offroad under current circumstances. Usually you wouldn't be able to stop such a massive convoy by destroying single vehicles.
The drones were sold before the war though, weren’t they? Plus they are Turkish drones. Quite different to to supplying Ukraine with Russian weapons systems, purchased only couple of years back, mid-war.
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The BBC reports:
"Russian officials have confirmed that the deputy commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, Captain 1st Rank Andrei Paly, died in combat in Mariupol.
Earlier we reported that Ukraine claimed to have killed him. Heavy fighting continues in Mariupol, a port city battered by Russian shelling.
Paly's death was initially confirmed by the secretary of the Nakhimov naval college, Konstantin Tsarenko, on social network Vkontakte (VK)."
"Russian officials have confirmed that the deputy commander of Russia's Black Sea Fleet, Captain 1st Rank Andrei Paly, died in combat in Mariupol.
Earlier we reported that Ukraine claimed to have killed him. Heavy fighting continues in Mariupol, a port city battered by Russian shelling.
Paly's death was initially confirmed by the secretary of the Nakhimov naval college, Konstantin Tsarenko, on social network Vkontakte (VK)."
In my understanding is bc the drons are turkish made, while giving elite russian equipement to fight against russia would make that russia will not sell ever any equipement to turkey. And this equipement was purchased because US refuse to sell an elite US equipement to them. So if you have both countries that are reluctant to sell you their equipement in the future (it doesnt matter if they would struck a excepcional deal on yhis ocasion, US is not and will not be in the short term a friend of turkey) then you are cutting off your future military prspective. And military is a very important part of turkey's external policy in their inmmediate neighbours for obvious reasons.
Turkey will not agree to that
Didn't they lose like 21 out of 22 para trooper units in the first couple days? And multiple convoys of vehicles, dozens of planes and even top units like the chechens. There's no cohesive plan, it's like they're throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what works
Pure class.
VDV is essentially an evil looking riot police, that is their purpose. They are not trained for military battles and combat. They were used because Russia did not expect having to fight a real war, so it is quite logically that VDV suffered heavy losses.
Romanian side Politehnica Iași trying to spell 'STOP WAR'.
Which might have been the plan all along. Despite the news narrative.
If the regime in Russia survives this war, they will be happy to sell anything to anyone and will not be able to afford holding grudges.