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Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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I don't think they give a shit.
Most of their accounts have turned extremely critical of the US. Brining up US history, recent wars, and human rights abuses in the US. They keep posting it in different ways.
And it seems the Chinese state sponsored media has been passing on the Kremlin’s propaganda in the countries where Russian media is now banned.
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They don't have an independent media to pass 'unnamed sources' style stories so there's no reason not to do their US government bashing directly. Since Trump it's been a constant tit for tat.
There's no real point discussing China's role in the Ukraine conflict as they've set their stall out. Calling for peace, ceasefire and an end to civilian deaths is as far as they'll go. They're more likely to assist those indirectly impacted like Africa.
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Just for perspective, and especially since it suits neither side's current narrative: the number of Ukrainians in the red army plus pro-soviet partisan units was more 1-2 orders of magnitude greater than those in the nationalist, hiwi, and waffen-SS militias/divisions.
Or what? That's what scares me. They've already destroyed the city. Are they going to indiscriminately bomb civilians more? Or use chemical weapons or tactical nukes?
Putin is obviously desperate for Mariupol, both as a land bridge and as a bargaining chip for a negotiated settlement. The Ukrainians shouldn’t bite.
He's right. Putin's gang are opportunists and they see the leadership vacuum in the current US administration.
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Putin is not settling for anything in the negotiations. Some oligarch will need to hire someone to put a bullet in his head before there's peace.
I'm also sick of over a month of the talk about a 'land bridge'
It's shameful that this super power failed in such an epic way on every level.
I've been trying to avoid watching coverage of this, but I had to comment on Don Lemon of CNN finally coming out of the studio. He's in Lviv and explaining what a siren means.
I've never seen a reporter look so scared.
I've never seen a reporter look so scared.
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His real and lasting contribution to history will forever be those on-stage interviews with Biden where he's willing Biden to make it to the end of a sentence like Alan Partridge rooting for Joe Beasley.I've been trying to avoid watching coverage of this, but I had to comment on Don Lemon of CNN finally coming out of the studio. He's in Lviv and explaining what a siren means.
I've never seen a reporter look so scared.
can I please get a translation here?
What exactly is his plan of action?
That is an example of the Wolf Warrior diplomacy - an aggressive style of coercive diplomacy adopted by Chinese officials and diplomats under Xi. Those people have no clue about decorum whatsoever when addressing to foreign nations through official channels. Can you imagine how that would have sounded like if any Western minister, secretary of X department, or general publicly takes a shit on China with that tone? That would make noise in the evening news.
Those "Wolf Warriors" are arguably the most self-entitled and worst whataboutist people in the geopolitical arena, which is perhaps a by-product of being raised as a lone child according to that old policy. And by the way, I don't need to remind China what happened on the last time they pissed off virtually all major world powers at once.
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Total Bullshit. The leadership vacuum occurred under Trump, who not only wouldn't have helped Ukraine in the slightest, he also would have blamed them and praised Putin.
The US and allies have placed massive sanctions on Russia and are supplying Ukraine with money, weapons, intelligence and humanitarian assistance - and lots of all these. Short of engaging in direct combat with Russian military, and thereby risking a nuclear WWIII, there's not much more they can do.
I wish people wouldn't use the word genocide for this. This isn't a genocide, at least not apparently. This is a war with a lot of war crimes.
The only truthful thing that Sergei Lavrov has ever said is that what's happening in Ukraine " ... reflects the battle over what the world order will look like".
He's right about that. And when the dust settles, however long it takes, Putin's Russia will be consigned to the dustbin of history: a small economic power, an isolated pariah state, with a crumbling military unable to put out the several fires of insurrection that will spring up in every corner of its shrinking "sphere of influence"
He's right about that. And when the dust settles, however long it takes, Putin's Russia will be consigned to the dustbin of history: a small economic power, an isolated pariah state, with a crumbling military unable to put out the several fires of insurrection that will spring up in every corner of its shrinking "sphere of influence"
They already told him to feck off. He also wants to be able to move those troops somewhere else.
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Wonder if the Ukrainians can try bombing the Russian territory? I guess their resources are better used defending their own land but a direct threat to Russian population might be an interesting hypothetical scenario. Might it slow down the war and get Putin kicked out or maybe escalate it to a level of no coming back.
I can’t see a way that bombing Russian territory, and therefore possibly Russian civilians, would in any way help the Ukrainian cause. Their best plan is to strictly target the Russian military.
A Dolittle Raid?
I think they hit one airport with Tochka
My tiny violin emoji won't show up. It seems Saldo wasn't targeted...yet.Considering that this war began with territory annexed by Russia back in 2014 and considering that Ukrainian air options remain limited (they have no long-range bombers), one big juicy target to strike would be Sevastopol. I think it would be far more sensical for the Ukrainians to identify military targets there, to hit them, and thus cripple the most immediate threat to Ukraine than going for a one-way ticket to hell of a raid upon Moscow. And besides, striking Sevastopol would be a huge psychological blow to the pro-Moscow people over there since they have not been under any threat since being annexed 2014.
No it wouldn't, quite the opposite. Much like the Russians striking Ukraine has galvanised the Ukrainians and strengthened their national identity, similarly Ukraine striking at Crimea would simply prove to the people there that Ukraine is indeed an enemy and a threat, like the Kremlin propaganda said all along. It will galvanise them and they will never willingly return to Ukrainian sovereignty afterwards. The surest way for Ukraine to forever lose Crimea, is to treat it like an enemy.
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S-300s en route to UKR then?
...ah, you bring up the previous guy straight away then reference WWIII, the classic default. You'll be worrying about creating 'offramps' for the fascist invaders next. Take a look around, lots of Ukrainian voices and others bemoaning US timorousness. What's being done now -assisting the victims to 'fight clean" within parameters designed not to upset the the enemy- is clearly not enough.
They're gonna let Russia destroy Ukraine and most of the Eastern Bloc so that Russia can take its place as ruler of slave labour, as the Europeans made India and Africa, and China are struggling to maintain right now.
Wrong thread? Geopolitics and Whataboutism?
Wrong thread? Geopolitics and Whataboutism?
I mention Trump because that's where the real leadership vacuum lay - or do you deny it?
If there's no off-ramp created for Putin, then the alternative is a war lasting months, leading into years. What's your alternative to creating an off-ramp - a fight to the death until the entire Russian invading force is killed?
As for your bullshit about the enemy not being upset: at least 30,000 of the invading troops are now out of action, in another 3 weeks it'll be 60,000 and their invasion will be close to collapse. Moreover, Russian citizens are fighting inside shops for dwindling supplies of some basic food-stuffs, their stock exchange is more or less permanently shut, inflation will sky-rocket, as will unemployment, China has refused to supply weapons to Putin ... the list goes on.
I'd imagine that Putin and his cronies are plenty upset: invasion stalling, losses mounting, unrest rising inside Russia.
You may blithely dismiss concerns about an escalation to a nuclear WWIII, but NATO has a clear red-line and it doesn't involve sending troops/aircraft into non-NATO countries to directly engage in combat with Russians.
Grow up.
The broader parameters have been set by the US/NATO not to step onto Ukrainian soil at any point/supply it with aircraft/set no fly zones etc, thus giving the rare advantage to the enemy (Putin) of knowing that we will remain inactive regardless of whatever depredation he visits upon the population. We should -minimum, and for example- have at least warned him through private channels that if he uses chemical or biological weapons, we will respond militarily. Now, whether you fear that might lead to WWIII or not is irrelevant. In the face of a brutal bully, a stand must be taken, action threatened and followed through with.
Biden's permissive pre-war comments about the comparative acceptability of a 'minor incursion' helped set a confused and unresponsive tone for the invasion and if America is not going to take the boldest possible steps to assist the Ukrainian people, at least Biden could step up the public rhetoric in defense of the values the Ukrainians are fighting for in this conflict, which go beyond their country's sovereignty.
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These are definitely words arranged in an order with punctuation.
So... the Moscow Stock Market will open on Monday? Are you guys ready to buy cheap?