Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

GlastonSpur

Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum
Joined
Feb 4, 2007
Messages
17,716
Supports
Spurs
One big question is to what extent is a very isolated Putin aware of the massive casualties now being suffered by his troops? There are some commentators who believe that everyone, without exception, in the very small group now around him are too scared to deliver the bad news.

If this is true, we'd have a completely bizarre situation in which his invasion forces slowly disintegrate towards collapse, whilst Putin, blissfully unware, continues with his totalitarian demands for Ukrainian surrender.

I guess ultimately it would play out a bit like the Hitler-in-the-bunker scene in Downfall ... of which, incidentally, there are now several Ukraine-versions if anyone has not seen them. Here's one example:

 

sglowrider

Thinks the caf is 'wokeish'.
Joined
Dec 27, 2009
Messages
25,232
Location
Hell on Earth
I mean so long as these guys are all in a room and taking decisions collectively while redistributing their assets based on changing circumstances on the battlefield then it's fine. If they are in silos taking decisions individually and potentially even competing against each other to ingratiate themselves to uncle Vlad, then god help them.
Thats how the Japanese were in WW2 -- Army versus Navy. They literally hated each other. and in some cases worked against each other.
 

Sir Matt

Blue Devil
Joined
Jul 22, 2009
Messages
18,332
Location
LUHG

:lol: They keep putting more helicopters at the same airfield where they got blown up the other day without being able to protect them.

They've also pushed the Russians out of several villages to the West and Northwest of Kyiv (Makariv and Moshchun). It seems they are counter-attacking towards Irpin, Bucha, and Hostomel where fighting has been focused since the start. If they are able to eliminate those forces, it would remove the threat to Kyiv from the West.
 
Last edited:

Raoul

Admin
Staff
Joined
Aug 14, 1999
Messages
130,450
Location
Hollywood CA

:lol: They keep putting more helicopters at the same airfield where they got blown up the other day without being able to protect them.

They've also pushed the russians out of several villages to the West and Northwest of Kyiv (Makariv and Moshchun)
At this rate they will be out of equipment soon.
 

P-Ro

"Full Member"
Joined
Nov 21, 2014
Messages
11,413
Location
Salford
Supports
Chelsea and AFC Wimbledon

:lol: They keep putting more helicopters at the same airfield where they got blown up the other day without being able to protect them.

They've also pushed the Russians out of several villages to the West and Northwest of Kyiv (Makariv and Moshchun). It seems they are counter-attacking towards Irpin, Bucha, and Hostomel where fighting has been focused since the start. If they are able to eliminate those forces, it would remove the threat to Kyiv from the West.
 

Asger

Full Member
Joined
Jul 10, 2010
Messages
3,785
I find it tedious when chess players talk about "strategy" as if they're some sort of authority. How high a price would you pay for freedom? What exactly is freedom? Is a country's freedom worth one life? A thousand?
Is life worth it after all?
 

Smores

Full Member
Joined
May 18, 2011
Messages
25,582
I find it tedious when chess players talk about "strategy" as if they're some sort of authority. How high a price would you pay for freedom? What exactly is freedom? Is a country's freedom worth one life? A thousand?
I'm not sure why he keeps getting quoted. His other tweets include his belief that Putin is actually more likely to use nukes if NATO don't intervene as he'll feel he can do what he wants. You can make your own mind up in that but to me it's nonsense.

Putin isn't rampaging through Europe he doesn't have that capacity. He'll be more than aware of how fecked Russia is right now. The rest of the world have boxed his aggression and whilst that's intolerable for Ukraine (and anyone watching on) it's NATO and not Putin that are the winners.
 

Shakesy

WW Head of Recruiting
Joined
Feb 23, 2016
Messages
9,986
Location
Directly under the sun... NOW!
Is life worth it after all?
Life is worth everything for the person living it. For them it is worth more than anything. At least, that is in a pure biological point of view. For some reason people have a kind of bee-mentality. Die and take one for the hive.
Nothing really matters. Anyone can see.
Life matters. Freedom is an illusion.
 

spiriticon

Full Member
Joined
Feb 3, 2013
Messages
7,520
I think the West is very aware of the sit rep but are taking things cautiously. No need to blow the trumpet loudly and distract the soldiers on the field. Russia also has chemical weapons that can turn the tide quickly.

Just like in football, you can do well for 89 minutes and then let in 2 late goals if you let your guard down.

It is a good sign that the Ukrainians have resisted this well so far, and the Switchblade drones and new Allied weapons haven't even arrived yet.
 
Last edited:

TMDaines

Fun sponge.
Joined
Sep 1, 2014
Messages
14,016
I find it tedious when chess players talk about "strategy" as if they're some sort of authority. How high a price would you pay for freedom? What exactly is freedom? Is a country's freedom worth one life? A thousand?
Calling Kasparov a mere chess player is sheer ignorance at this point. There’s a reason he is exiled from Russia.

You might be able to answer your question better in a personal capacity the more you read and learn. For example, a place like North Korea I used to find more curious and odd, a place I thought I would naively like to visit one day. When I actually spent the time to read and listen to people who had lived and were fortunate to escape from North Korea, I realised how stupid I was to hold such a place with any degree of fascination. Ditto speaking to my wife’s grandparents who lived through the Soviet Union and were essentially forced to move about the empire to meet its needs.

The vast majority of us on this forum have no idea how privileged we are to be born and live in relatively stable democracies with a high degree of freedom and tolerance.
 

Water Melon

Guest
Whoops, right. I forgot that the CIA had many insiders in the Soviet Union/Russia in those novels. Cardinal is closer to the profile.

I don't how many of you are watchers of Mehdi Hasan, but he brought this interesting part in his show yesterday evening. The fact that Putin is a huge fan of that philosopher is extremely disconcerting, and we should have known that part years ago.
That's one hell of a video. Explains a lot.
 

tomaldinho1

Full Member
Joined
Nov 26, 2015
Messages
18,030
I find it tedious when chess players talk about "strategy" as if they're some sort of authority. How high a price would you pay for freedom? What exactly is freedom? Is a country's freedom worth one life? A thousand?
He’s not getting quoted because he’s a chess player, he’s an exiled Russian with experience of the Soviet Union who is a human rights activist and has been bang on about Putin not stopping with Crimea and invading Ukraine.
 

The Firestarter

Full Member
Joined
Apr 8, 2010
Messages
28,319
He’s not getting quoted because he’s a chess player, he’s an exiled Russian with experience of the Soviet Union who is a human rights activist and has been bang on about Putin not stopping with Crimea and invading Ukraine.
Not only that, but he was political opponent of Putin, basically one of the very few that are not in jail / killed. Being chess player is the last reason he is getting airtime now.
 

GlastonSpur

Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum
Joined
Feb 4, 2007
Messages
17,716
Supports
Spurs
The BBC says:

"Ukrainian military are reporting that a company that produces and repairs Russian tanks has suspended work at its plant in the central Russian region of Chelyabinsk due to a shortage of imported parts.

In a statement posted to Facebook, the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine reports that manufacturer Uralvagonzavod has had to pause production at the facility "due to the lack of receipts of foreign-made components".

Ukrainian military information and consultancy company Defense Express reports that Uralvagonzavod provides the only plant that carries out the assembly of tanks.

It goes on to report that the manufacturer routinely uses Western components.

There are no reports referring to the Uralvagonzavod facility in Russian media and the BBC has not been able to confirm the information in the Ukrainian statement."
 

GlastonSpur

Also disliked on an Aston Villa forum
Joined
Feb 4, 2007
Messages
17,716
Supports
Spurs
The BBC reports that the "UK's Ministry of Defence says Russian forces appear to be "stalled in place", with Ukraine "continuing to repulse" attempts to occupy the besieged southern city of Mariupol"
 

harms

Shining Star of Paektu Mountain
Staff
Joined
Apr 8, 2014
Messages
28,055
Location
Moscow
According to this article, the Kadyrovtsy act as anti-retreat forces for Russian troops near Kyiv. They have orders to shoot their own front-line troops, which avoid fighting with the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

https://en.lb.ua/news/2022/03/11/10705_kadyrovtsy_act_antiretreat.html
I wouldn't trust the source blindly without any additional evidence — Ukrainians are getting very good at the information war, pushing out the feel-good sentiments that are not always factually correct to inspire their own & to demotivate Russian forces. Not that this scenario is completely unbelievable (this whole war was and yet it's here), but I would be wary of such claims when they're not backed up by anything factual.
 

harms

Shining Star of Paektu Mountain
Staff
Joined
Apr 8, 2014
Messages
28,055
Location
Moscow
One big question is to what extent is a very isolated Putin aware of the massive casualties now being suffered by his troops? There are some commentators who believe that everyone, without exception, in the very small group now around him are too scared to deliver the bad news.

If this is true, we'd have a completely bizarre situation in which his invasion forces slowly disintegrate towards collapse, whilst Putin, blissfully unware, continues with his totalitarian demands for Ukrainian surrender.
That's highly unlikely, otherwise there wouldn't be any internal repressions against high-placed FSB officers that were responsible for keeping tabs on Ukraine (and those repressions are already happening). And even if we imagine that he doesn't know that the operation is going badly, how would they explain that they haven't conquered any major city, let alone Kyiv, in almost a month?
 

Simbo

Full Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2010
Messages
5,238
I find it tedious when chess players talk about "strategy" as if they're some sort of authority. How high a price would you pay for freedom? What exactly is freedom? Is a country's freedom worth one life? A thousand?
It's a bit of a disservice to think of Kasparov as just a chess player, to say the least. He has been a political activist for 30+ years campaigning against oppression in Russia. He is one of, if not Putin's most vocal critic and has been for a long time, which means risking his life and putting his family in danger.

He's a brave man and although I might disagree with his wish for NATO to intervene and put an end to this, he's pretty much been right all along.
 

MTF

Full Member
Joined
Aug 17, 2009
Messages
5,243
Location
New York City
To be fair, and not to reduce the resilience of the men who had to hold on in Bastogne surrounded for days, but they did have a significant strategic advantage on a theater level and could therefore reasonably expect to be relieved eventually. Not sure it is the case right now for the Ukranians in Mariupol, although I wish it were.
 

Raoul

Admin
Staff
Joined
Aug 14, 1999
Messages
130,450
Location
Hollywood CA
Navalny gets another 9 years. Bastards.

Russia Navalny: Putin critic jailed for nine more years trial branded 'sham'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60832310
The length of the term is pretty relative given that Putin can release him whenever he wants to modulate public opinion. He released the likes of Pussy Riot and Khodorkovsky early back in 2013/14. Not that we're dealing with "that" Putin anymore at this point, so it may require a change in government for an early Navalny release.