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The UK's historical and untarnishable involvement with the Saudi regime is not limited to weapon sales. The Saudi regime is some sort of an ISIS that managed to get respectability thanks to the UK and the US protecting it. That respectability provided by the UK alliance is one of the main reasons other countries do sell weapons to them. And there are degrees in evil, KSA is far worse than the UAE.


And if France was as involved in the massive war crimes that the UK committed in Iraq over the last 30 years. I would probably think of it as the worst power in western Europe.
You don't want to look too closely into the French military's combat record over the years then, particularly in Africa.
 

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Ongoing combat record?

The English crimes I referred to are ongoing. The UK is currently helping one of the worst regimes on earth with its war on Yemen.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ded-Yemen-advising-Saudi-Arabia-campaign.html
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...-possible-war-crimes-mali-air-strike-wedding/

Some of the things the French have admitted to in years gone by are far more shocking than this as well. I'm not trying to defend British dickheadery, just trying to make clear that the French are just a little different not better.
 

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Nice post.
About brutality: I remember reading about the Russian bombardment during their intervention in Syria, and how they basically reduced a town (I think the last ISIS city?) to rubble - equivalent to WW2 or Korean war style bombing. Scared they will try it again in Ukraine.
They certainly haven’t held back in Syria. But probably my biggest memory of urban destruction in the fight against ISIS was the aftermath of US-coalition bombing of Raqqa and Mosul.

Don’t know if Airwars are reliable or anything about their methodology, but they’ve a reputation for reporting on all sides. They claim to have estimated up to 6,000 non-combatant deaths in Syria at the hands of Russian forces up to the end of 2019, and up to 13,000 non-combatant deaths in Syria and Iraq at the hands of US-coalition forces up to the present day. Unfortunately no assessment of Saudi-led carnage in Yemen.
 

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But probably my biggest memory of urban destruction in the fight against ISIS was the aftermath of US-coalition bombing of Raqqa and Mosul.
That's the one I was thinking of and for some reason attributed it to Russia.
 

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What would sanctions on Saudi Arabia and their enablers (US/UK/ETC) look like? A completely hypothetical question because it will never happen (nor will there be Yemenese flags lighting up various landmarks around the world). The hypocrisy is astounding, even.

If they just came out and said that "morality" and "democracy" and all of these words have nothing to do with why we put sanctions in place, we do it instead because we are warmongers and it is an act of convenience depending on the place in the world and whether or not we're involved, it would be easier to go along with it.
 
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What would sanctions on Saudi Arabia and their enablers (US/UK/ETC) look like? A completely hypothetical question because it will never happen (nor will there be Yemenese flags lighting up various landmarks around the world). The hypocrisy is astounding, even.

If they just came out and said that "morality" and "democracy" and all of these words have nothing to do with why we put sanctions in place, we do it instead because we are warmongers and it is an act of convenience depending on the place in the world and whether or not we're involved, it would be easier to go along with it.
It's just the way of the world, the most rich and powerful can do whatever they want and be as hypocritical as they want.

Certainly, the likes of SA/UAE/Israel/US/UK etc deserve to be sanctioned on past and current behaviours.
 

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They certainly haven’t held back in Syria. But probably my biggest memory of urban destruction in the fight against ISIS was the aftermath of US-coalition bombing of Raqqa and Mosul.

Don’t know if Airwars are reliable or anything about their methodology, but they’ve a reputation for reporting on all sides. They claim to have estimated up to 6,000 non-combatant deaths in Syria at the hands of Russian forces up to the end of 2019, and up to 13,000 non-combatant deaths in Syria and Iraq at the hands of US-coalition forces up to the present day. Unfortunately no assessment of Saudi-led carnage in Yemen.
Discovered today (via Airwars) the Yemen Data Project which claims to track Saudi-led coalition air strikes since March 2015. They have accounted for 8,970 civilian deaths resulting from these strikes.
 

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Reminder that the Huthis are gobshites:

 

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Reminder that the Huthis are gobshites:

I can't help but think this video is posted to somehow justify the sh*t the US and Saudi are doing in Yemen.

Maybe we should post about the Ukrainian army supporting right wing Islamaphobia as well right?
 
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I can't help but think this video is posted to somehow justify the sh*t the US and Saudi are doing in Yemen.
Well Memri is run by ex Israeli intelligence, and the Huthi flag states “death to Israel, curse the Jews”, so there’s certainly an agenda there.

Maybe we should post about the Ukrainian army supporting right wing Islamaphobia as well right?
:confused: Hasn’t there been a good few posts on that topic?
 

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Well Memri is run by ex Israeli intelligence, and the Huthi flag states “death to Israel, curse the Jews”, so there’s certainly an agenda there.



:confused: Hasn’t there been a good few posts on that topic?
Yea there are but they've been responded with comments like don't try to justify Russia's actions. I hope this post about anti-Semitism within the Houthi movement isn't being used as justification with what's happening in Yemen, because it shouldn't be just as the Azovs isn't justification for Russia.
 

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Yea there are but they've been responded with comments like don't try to justify Russia's actions. I hope this post about anti-Semitism within the Houthi movement isn't being used as justification with what's happening in Yemen, because it shouldn't be just as the Azovs isn't justification for Russia.
Ok, I don’t think I was involved in that discussion. My impression was that the Azov Brigade and far-right sentiments in Ukraine generally are (obviously) open to criticism but people have mostly been taking issue with the claims that they’re central to events of the last eight years in Ukraine. Whereas this is the Huthi leadership expressing a central part of their ideology, and they are very much a part of “what’s happening in Yemen”, although in my opinion (stated in a post above which you responded to positively) the Saudi-led coalition bears most responsibility for the humanitarian crisis.
 

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What would sanctions on Saudi Arabia and their enablers (US/UK/ETC) look like? A completely hypothetical question because it will never happen (nor will there be Yemenese flags lighting up various landmarks around the world). The hypocrisy is astounding, even.

If they just came out and said that "morality" and "democracy" and all of these words have nothing to do with why we put sanctions in place, we do it instead because we are warmongers and it is an act of convenience depending on the place in the world and whether or not we're involved, it would be easier to go along with it.
Exactly.
 

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What would sanctions on Saudi Arabia and their enablers (US/UK/ETC) look like? A completely hypothetical question because it will never happen (nor will there be Yemenese flags lighting up various landmarks around the world). The hypocrisy is astounding, even.

If they just came out and said that "morality" and "democracy" and all of these words have nothing to do with why we put sanctions in place, we do it instead because we are warmongers and it is an act of convenience depending on the place in the world and whether or not we're involved, it would be easier to go along with it.
Very true
 

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Yes, Houthis are despicable but in which way they should be flexible in front of the invaders.

By the way, @2cents , I never thanked you for answering my question a few weeks ago. Thanks, I suspected that there was some parallelisms between Russia and SA invasions
 

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Great news tbf, hope they can make some real progress finally.
 

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Fingers crossed this is the beginning of the end:

 

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I didn't understand most of that but thank you :lol:
Hopefully this explains things better (and it incorporates the most recent development which is Hadi handing over ‘power’ to a Presidential Council):

Behind the Yemen Truce and Presidential Council Announcements
The UN has brokered a surprise truce in Yemen’s long-running war, while the country’s internationally recognised president has handed over his powers to an eight-man council. In this Q&A, Crisis Group expert Peter Salisbury explains the significance of these developments.

https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-...-truce-and-presidential-council-announcements
 

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Another two-month extension to the truce was announced last week - https://osesgy.unmissions.org/press...grundberg-two-month-renewal-un-mediated-truce

By the end of this extension the truce will have lasted six months. There appear to have been some real benefits for Yemeni civilians with the decline in violence, but also some worrying developments, according to this report for April to June -https://www.acaps.org/sites/acaps/f...20803_acaps_yah_simp_april_to_june_2022_0.pdf
the saudis received $5bn in weapons contract from the us last week. lot of criticism about it in various outlets. apparently linked to "defensive weapons" only but goes against the biden pledge of ceasing arms sales to saudi arabia and the uae iirc as long as yemeni war continued. truce has been a good outcome though.
 

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the saudis received $5bn in weapons contract from the us last week. lot of criticism about it in various outlets. apparently linked to "defensive weapons" only but goes against the biden pledge of ceasing arms sales to saudi arabia and the uae iirc as long as yemeni war continued. truce has been a good outcome though.
Well, is just a coincidence that after Biden-MBS fist bump, this new weapons contract and the price of gas is getting down? I jut wonder

Hopefully Yemen can reconstruct slowly away the Saudi Arabians attacks and also, get rid of Houthis, but I don't think neither of the two will happen anytime soon
 

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Not looking good:

“The truce that began on 2 April 2022 has offered a truly historic opportunity for Yemen. Building on the positive outcomes of the past six months, I submitted another proposal to the parties on 1 October to extend the truce for another six months, with additional elements.”

The proposal includes the payment of civil servant salaries and pensions, the opening of specific roads in Taiz and other governorates, additional destinations for flights to and from Sanaa airport, unhindered entry of fuel ships into Hudaydah port, strengthening deescalation mechanisms through the Military Coordination Committee and a commitment to urgently release detainees. It also includes the initiation of negotiations for a ceasefire, the resumption of an inclusive political process, and wider economic issues, including public services.

The UN Special Envoy regrets that an agreement has not been reached today, as an extended and expanded truce would provide additional critical benefits to the population. “I am grateful for the constructive engagement at the leadership level from both sides over the past weeks. And I appreciate the position of the Government of Yemen on engaging positively with my proposal. I will continue to work with both sides to try and find solutions.”

As negotiations continue, the UN Special Envoy calls on the parties to maintain calm and refrain from provocations or any actions that could lead to an escalation of violence. “I urge them to fulfill their obligation to the Yemeni people to pursue every avenue for peace. Ultimately, Yemenis need an end to the conflict through an inclusive political process and a negotiated settlement. I will continue my relentless efforts to engage with the parties to quickly reach an agreement on a way forward.”

https://osesgy.unmissions.org/state...ions-extend-and-expand-nationwide-truce-yemen
 

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Why Yemen’s Truce Collapsed

“…the international community and the Yemeni actors saw the truce differently. For the international community, the truce was supposed to be a first step toward Grundberg’s goal of a permanent cease-fire, which would then set the stage for a comprehensive peace agreement. For the Yemeni actors, particularly the Houthis, the truce was never anything more than a strategic pause that would allow them to regroup.”
 

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Why Yemen’s Truce Collapsed

“…the international community and the Yemeni actors saw the truce differently. For the international community, the truce was supposed to be a first step toward Grundberg’s goal of a permanent cease-fire, which would then set the stage for a comprehensive peace agreement. For the Yemeni actors, particularly the Houthis, the truce was never anything more than a strategic pause that would allow them to regroup.”

Taken from their annual Report.. check who's behind them, and there are lots and lots of these so called "NGO"
 

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Taken from their annual Report.. check who's behind them, and there are lots and lots of these so called "NGO"
OK. I’ve been reading Gregory Johnsen’s work on Yemen for over a decade and have met him once years ago, and on that basis I believe he is worth reading on this issue, and I don’t believe his analysis would differ significantly if published in any alternative outlet.

Have you an opinion on the article?
 

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OK. I’ve been reading Gregory Johnsen’s work on Yemen for over a decade and have met him once years ago, and on that basis I believe he is worth reading on this issue, and I don’t believe his analysis would differ significantly if published in any alternative outlet.

Have you an opinion on the article?
I think they're just mouthpiece for the west

But hey... you trust him... so... each to their own.