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[Ajaxsuarez]

Interesting. Can you elaborate a bit please?

Elaborate.

You'd expect our dressing room to drastically change over the next couple of transfer windows anyway. This summer alone we'd likely lose half a dozen players.

While the Delaney tweet might be complete bollocks, Ten Hag truly does lack any charisma whatsoever. Coming into a dressing room of southern european superstars as a Dutch farmer whose playing career bounced between the Dutch first and second tiers and insisting on knowing better than all of the players what's good for them just simply won't go down well.

Ten Hag should go to Germany first, and then go to a club with the same sort of unconditional belief/support in the way City back Guardiola or Liverpool backed Klopp.
The only potential saving grace for Ten Hag would be if Rangnick would back him through a tumultuous first season, but I don't know how much sway Rangnick would actually have with the owners and the rest of the football leadership at the club, with whom Ten Hag would also be a complete cultural clash.

I do also have criticisms of Ten Hag as a manager at Ajax btw, but not all of those will necessarily travel (for example his complete lack of rotation and bleeding in of youth, leading to a total dependence on key players, leaving massive issues when they get suspended or injured - see Alvarez vs the lack of even a single start for Kenneth Taylor)

 

[Foxbatt]

The more these clowns want The Pok the more I want ETH.

 

[TrueRed79]

Being OK'ed by the Glazers doesn't make Murtough automatically shit. He's done a lot of good work for the club and in his career that made him qualified for the role. He's taken proper steps too in the transitioning phase, such as pointing to an interim before a proper reset and resisting another big name quick fix managerial signing. He wants to conduct the process properly and sound out the candidates as thoroughly as possible. By all accounts ETH is the front runner (whilst both candidates for me aren't necessarily bad).

There isn't really a foot hes gotten wrong so far and he's built up a lot of experience to be qualified. And yet, you want to just assume he has feck all qualifications because of hearing some random pieces of news you don't like.

Mate, you've clearly picked up on something (wrongly) and just ran with it. I never said any of three were under qualified or useless. What i did say was, none of them have any experience in their current roles. How is that not hard to understand ffs. They are all learning on the job. Not what you want and absolutely not the best in class out there that we could have got. I'm not saying the best in class would roll up and fix everything, but my point still stands.

 

[sugar_kane]

The more these clowns want The Pok the more I want ETH.

That’s funny cos the more the Caf crazies and Twitter idiots go on about Ten Hag and talk about Poch like he’s the worst manager on the planet the more I feel myself beginning to warm to the idea of the latter.

 

[VP89]

Mate, you've clearly picked up on something (wrongly) and just ran with it. I never said any of three were under qualified or useless. What i did say was, none of them have any experience in their current roles. How is that not hard to understand ffs. They are all learning on the job. Not what you want and absolutely not the best in class out there that we could have got. I'm not saying the best in class would roll up and fix everything, but my point still stands.

I hear what you're saying and I'l redact some of the rudeness initially, but my point is, Murtough can't be expected to fluff it up just because he's never been a DoF. He has a lot of experience to make the right decisions in the role he's in. Moreover his approach to the situation has been as we'd expect from anyone qualified.

 

[Abhinav]

I definitely hope we go for ETH over Poch but at the same time don't feel very optimistic that he will have as dramatic an impact as some are hoping for. Mainly, he will still be constrained by the slow governing structure above him, who will slow the entire transformation and limit the impact that someone like ETH can make.

It is no big secret that we need to get at least 4-5 new players in this summer and let go of 5-6 existing ones. This is a speed that this club is not used to - we still have the likes of Andres Perreira and Phil Jones under contract with us. The misdeeds of Ed Woodward's and his management will continue to haunt us for the next 2-3 years. Additionally, it is not very clear if we have really learnt our lessons as we continued to chase Pogba this past summer window. We need to have a recruiting system that is savvy, astute and agile to navigate a potentially painful transformation. Do we have that in place? I highly doubt it.

 

[dwd]

That’s funny cos the more the Caf crazies and Twitter idiots go on about Ten Hag and talk about Poch like he’s the worst manager on the planet the more I feel myself beginning to warm to the idea of the latter.

I've been having the same thought process.

 

[Real Name]

to give my two cents on this.

Ten Hag is a good manager but a terrible fit for Manchester United and your dressing room

We should get rid half of dressing room anyway.

Its so clear the board wants Poch cause he's a yes man, its pathetic.

heh

 

[AdNani]

We should get rid half of dressing room anyway.

Its so clear the board wants Poch cause he's a yes man, its pathetic.

heh

i know there's white text but where has this Yes man thing with Poch came from? doesn't strike me as one at all

 

[Foxbatt]

That’s funny cos the more the Caf crazies and Twitter idiots go on about Ten Hag and talk about Poch like he’s the worst manager on the planet the more I feel myself beginning to warm to the idea of the latter.

I am not talking about CAF. The players.

 

[Reapersoul20]

That’s funny cos the more the Caf crazies and Twitter idiots go on about Ten Hag and talk about Poch like he’s the worst manager on the planet the more I feel myself beginning to warm to the idea of the latter.

Same

Frankly I think it's criminal how much of a look in Brendan Rodgers is getting these days. The dark horse that would save Man Utd.

white txt

 

[bond19821982]

While the Delaney tweet might be complete bollocks, Ten Hag truly does lack any charisma whatsoever. Coming into a dressing room of southern european superstars as a Dutch farmer whose playing career bounced between the Dutch first and second tiers and insisting on knowing better than all of the players what's good for them just simply won't go down well.

Ten Hag should go to Germany first, and then go to a club with the same sort of unconditional belief/support in the way City back Guardiola or Liverpool backed Klopp.
The only potential saving grace for Ten Hag would be if Rangnick would back him through a tumultuous first season, but I don't know how much sway Rangnick would actually have with the owners and the rest of the football leadership at the club, with whom Ten Hag would also be a complete cultural clash.

I do also have criticisms of Ten Hag as a manager at Ajax btw, but not all of those will necessarily travel (for example his complete lack of rotation and bleeding in of youth, leading to a total dependence on key players, leaving massive issues when they get suspended or injured - see Alvarez vs the lack of even a single start for Kenneth Taylor)

We don't have any superstar bar Pogba who is leaving anyway. Rest are just imposters who claim to be a superstar and all of their days are numbered.

 

[MUFC OK]

That’s funny cos the more the Caf crazies and Twitter idiots go on about Ten Hag and talk about Poch like he’s the worst manager on the planet the more I feel myself beginning to warm to the idea of the latter.

I can see this developing too, Poch will soon be the 'top red' match-going fans pick.

 

[AdNani]

We don't have any superstar bar Pogba who is leaving anyway. Rest are just imposters who claim to be a superstar and all of their days are numbered.

Ronaldo...

 

[bond19821982]

Ronaldo...

Yeah, how the feck did I leave the GOAT. He might also leave.

 

[Flexdegea]

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It's coming, you know it's coming

These c#nts are just making it up as they go along

 

[AltiUn]

These c#nts are just making it up as they go along

Miguel Delaney certainly is.

 

[Rolaholic]

How do people feel about PSG fans being more than happy to see the back of Poch at this point after the previous outcry over Tuchel's ousting?

The majority sided with Tuchel during and after the cold war between him and Leonardo when they fell out yet there's little clamor over Poch potentially being sacked and taking over elsewhere.

That's all while supporting a side with a vastly more talented squad than United and in a league that they run. United have nowhere near the best squad on paper in Europe unlike them and have to compete with 2 of the top 4/5 best sides in the world annually

 

[Forevergiggs1]

The ones who want Poch will moan loud enough for the entire forum

No they won't. The ones that want Poch seem to be more balanced with the majority being happy with either manager whereas for the rest it seems to be Ten Hag or bust and if Poch did come in we'd be relegation favourites.

 

[The Midnight Rambler]

No they won't. The ones that want Poch seem to be more balanced with the majority being happy with either manager whereas for the rest it seems to be Ten Hag or bust and if Poch did come in we'd be relegation favourites.

Thank you!
Surely the sensible position. ETH would be exciting but clearly Poch is a big upgrade on what we’ve had recently and a perfectly solid choice given the circumstances.

 

[The Midnight Rambler]

The depressing part of this, as seems to always be the case with us, is the long drawn out public nature of this.

If this is by design from the club then the new regime look as amateur as the last.

 

[bosnian_red]

No they won't. The ones that want Poch seem to be more balanced with the majority being happy with either manager whereas for the rest it seems to be Ten Hag or bust and if Poch did come in we'd be relegation favourites.

I think it's because the ones that don't like Poch tend to really not like him. I don't want him because, in my opinion:

• He's at best a top 4 level manager
• He never showed signs to adapt to different players, only came with 1 idea and when some players declined, that's all there was. Happened at Spurs, same dead feeling at PSG
• That one idea came at a good time and it's no longer anything new. He had his time in the mid 2010's and it's come and gone and now he's not going to have the same impact anymore
• Of course, his lack of actual success while basically constantly discarding all cups to be the 3rd best team in the league at best
• His play style isn't actually attractive nor is he an attacking coach. Its an underdog style focused on hard work and defensive solidity, with a world class striker in Kane and Son at the other end providing the goals to get results. Solid defence, hard working press off the ball and reliant on individuals in attack is about the extent of his tactics. It wouldn't translate that well here just like it hasn't at PSG.
• At PSG, they've clearly dropped a level with all their underlying stats, especially attacking, since he's taken over compared to Tuchel. And Tuchel is a very defensive coach. And PSG just signed Messi, Hakimi, etc this past summer. We'd be appointing a manager who has repeatedly shown his ceiling is not on par with the managers of the top 3 clubs. So we would be appointing a manager who won't close the gap and continue the cycle of top 4 fighting without real challenging.
• Pochettino has a horrible record against both Pep and Klopp (combined 5 wins, 9 draws, 19 losses in 33 games)

I would rather someone that we don't quite know their potential, over somebody who has both shown that he can't compete with Pep/Klopp, and somebody who has shown a clear drop in performance despite the signings compared to Tuchel, while in charge of PSG. Appointing Pochettino is appointing somebody who will at best, be 4th best.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Thank you!
Surely the sensible position. ETH would be exciting but clearly Poch is a big upgrade on what we’ve had recently and a perfectly solid choice given the circumstances.

The guy that Spurs sacked and PSG fans want out badly after having them play some of the worst stuff in years with the most stacked team, is a perfectly solid choice? How?

 

[Tom Van Persie]

The depressing part of this, as seems to always be the case with us, is the long drawn out public nature of this.

If this is by design from the club then the new regime look as amateur as the last.

The two top candidates are still in a job and we only started the process a few weeks ago. We might as well take some time and make sure we make the right appointment.

 

[AjaxCunian]

I think it's because the ones that don't like Poch tend to really not like him. I don't want him because, in my opinion:

• He's at best a top 4 level manager
• He never showed signs to adapt to different players, only came with 1 idea and when some players declined, that's all there was. Happened at Spurs, same dead feeling at PSG
• That one idea came at a good time and it's no longer anything new. He had his time in the mid 2010's and it's come and gone and now he's not going to have the same impact anymore
• Of course, his lack of actual success while basically constantly discarding all cups to be the 3rd best team in the league at best
• His play style isn't actually attractive nor is he an attacking coach. Its an underdog style focused on hard work and defensive solidity, with a world class striker in Kane and Son at the other end providing the goals to get results. Solid defence, hard working press off the ball and reliant on individuals in attack is about the extent of his tactics. It wouldn't translate that well here just like it hasn't at PSG.
• At PSG, they've clearly dropped a level with all their underlying stats, especially attacking, since he's taken over compared to Tuchel. And Tuchel is a very defensive coach. And PSG just signed Messi, Hakimi, etc this past summer. We'd be appointing a manager who has repeatedly shown his ceiling is not on par with the managers of the top 3 clubs. So we would be appointing a manager who won't close the gap and continue the cycle of top 4 fighting without real challenging.
• Pochettino has a horrible record against both Pep and Klopp (combined 5 wins, 9 draws, 19 losses in 33 games)

I would rather someone that we don't quite know their potential, over somebody who has both shown that he can't compete with Pep/Klopp, and somebody who has shown a clear drop in performance despite the signings compared to Tuchel, while in charge of PSG. Appointing Pochettino is appointing somebody who will at best, be 4th best.

Essentially this. I can't envision us reaching succes with Poch in any case. With ETH, we might, I'd say.

 

[JPRouve]

The guy that Spurs sacked and PSG fans want out badly after having them play some of the worst stuff in years with the most stacked team, is a perfectly solid choice? How?

Well his floor is relatively high, with Pochettino we should be consistently better than we currently are. Unless something terrible happens, his successor should be in a good spot.

 

[Frank Grimes]

I think it's because the ones that don't like Poch tend to really not like him. I don't want him because, in my opinion:

• He's at best a top 4 level manager
• He never showed signs to adapt to different players, only came with 1 idea and when some players declined, that's all there was. Happened at Spurs, same dead feeling at PSG
• That one idea came at a good time and it's no longer anything new. He had his time in the mid 2010's and it's come and gone and now he's not going to have the same impact anymore
• Of course, his lack of actual success while basically constantly discarding all cups to be the 3rd best team in the league at best
• His play style isn't actually attractive nor is he an attacking coach. Its an underdog style focused on hard work and defensive solidity, with a world class striker in Kane and Son at the other end providing the goals to get results. Solid defence, hard working press off the ball and reliant on individuals in attack is about the extent of his tactics. It wouldn't translate that well here just like it hasn't at PSG.
• At PSG, they've clearly dropped a level with all their underlying stats, especially attacking, since he's taken over compared to Tuchel. And Tuchel is a very defensive coach. And PSG just signed Messi, Hakimi, etc this past summer. We'd be appointing a manager who has repeatedly shown his ceiling is not on par with the managers of the top 3 clubs. So we would be appointing a manager who won't close the gap and continue the cycle of top 4 fighting without real challenging.
• Pochettino has a horrible record against both Pep and Klopp (combined 5 wins, 9 draws, 19 losses in 33 games)

I would rather someone that we don't quite know their potential, over somebody who has both shown that he can't compete with Pep/Klopp, and somebody who has shown a clear drop in performance despite the signings compared to Tuchel, while in charge of PSG. Appointing Pochettino is appointing somebody who will at best, be 4th best.

Pochettino played 33 matches v Klopp and Pep in 4 seasons? That sounds wrong.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Pochettino played 33 matches v Klopp and Pep in 4 seasons? That sounds wrong.

Surely that would be enough games to include his Southampton stint as well. Not just Spurs.

 

[macheda14]

Pochettino played 33 matches v Klopp and Pep in 4 seasons? That sounds wrong.

He’s played against them as managers of other clubs. 22 v Pep and 11 v Klopp.

 

[Rolaholic]

Pochettino played 33 matches v Klopp and Pep in 4 seasons? That sounds wrong.

Well he's coached 22 against Pep in his career alone (4W - 5D - 13L) and 11 against Klopp (1W - 4D - 6L) so it's spot on

 

[AjaxCunian]

Well his floor is relatively high, with Pochettino we should be consistently better than we currently are. Unless something terrible happens, his successor should be in a good spot.

Can't see a high floor amount to succes necessarily. Just consistent CL's and an occasion cup trophy. The brand he has his teams playing, I doubt will be good enough to win the league / CL with United anytime soon.

And he also quite hit the floor with Spurs when he got sacked.

 

[bosnian_red]

Pochettino played 33 matches v Klopp and Pep in 4 seasons? That sounds wrong.

Not sure the split up with teams he's managed, just went on transfer markt and looked up records vs managers.

Looking at Spurs only vs Pep and Klopp:

• Spurs Poch vs Klopp: 1 win, 4 draws, 6 losses
• Spurs Poch vs Pep: 2 wins, 2 draws, 6 losses

3 wins, 6 draws, 12 losses.

 

[JPRouve]

Can't see a high floor amount to succes necessarily. Just consistent CL's and an occasion cup trophy. The brand he has his teams playing, I doubt will be good enough to win the league / CL with United anytime soon.

And he also quite hit the floor with Spurs when he got sacked.

I didn't talk about success, which is why I mentioned a successor...

 

[Acquire Me]

I hope we announce it soon. The players might(probably not though) get out of their depression and try their best for the rest of the season.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Not sure the split up with teams he's managed, just went on transfer markt and looked up records vs managers.

Looking at Spurs only vs Pep and Klopp:

• Spurs Poch vs Klopp: 1 win, 4 draws, 6 losses
• Spurs Poch vs Pep: 2 wins, 2 draws, 6 losses

3 wins, 6 draws, 12 losses.

That is a better/fairer statistic than the other one which counted Pochettino's time at Espanyol.

Out of interest what's Ferguson's combined record v Mourinho and Guardiola? Can you get that?

 

[Frank Grimes]

Surely that would be enough games to include his Southampton stint as well. Not just Spurs.

Espanyol more likely, not sure Klopp and Guardiola were there for Southampton Pochettino.

 

[United in sin]

Actually, I do observe a lot. In fact I was pro Poch at some point but the level of poor performances his PsG sides have served throughout his tenure helped me realize that he is not the manager we need. Constantly getting bailed out by Mbappe is what his PsG side is all about.

I never witnessed Pep and Klopp parking the bus against a more progressive side(ex psg vs city this year). Yes they have practiced pragmatism on one or more occasions but that is an outlier for them. Not a norm.

And yes, ETH isn't being considered because of that run that happened 3 years ago. He is being considered because he has a certain playing style which does not depend on the personnel. His philosophy is based on modern progressive football and his teams are always on the front foot. Something which has completely been missing with Utd since LvG's 3 game run and something beyond your grasp. He has his team's CL performances(smashing dortmund for ex) to back that up because this description might fit other candidates as well but they don't have evidence.

Yes, De Boer and Bosz did great and failed. Doesn't mean it's applicable to all managers. FDJ was awesome in Eredivise and is a huge player for Barcelona. VdB was great in Eredivisie but not so good after. Who said anything is set in stone? It's about changing the direction which won't be the case with Poch. It will be same old personnel dependent philosophy which I wouldn't back at all.

Really funny how you paint Pochettino's achievements at Spurs(basically feck all). Coming 3rd in a 2 horse race must be good I guess. You disregard how horrendous Spurs were the during that CL run season and a season after that. You disregard how bad his record is against better sides. You disregard how he threw away cup games so that his teams could finish 4th.

You've made up your mind, I don't care to change yours or get into long drawn debates, we can agree to disagree about the aspects and merits of both candidates we've both brought to the table. I won't be convinced that Hag would've been considered if not for his CL run three years ago, otherwise other managers would be in line based on their domestic successes in similar lower leagues

 

[United in sin]

If you dig deeper, and I said this at the time, United declined in goals scored year on year since LVG came in, then Jose. It’s only under Ole that it started to improve again. We were actually one of the worst in the league statistically at scoring goals under LVG so
It’s not surprising that spurs scored more than us.

also statistically; Pochs record against top6 in PL is absolutely shocking. That’s why I feel we already know his level, and regardless if Ten Hag is a success or not; we need to try a completely new approach to wake this club up. Under Poch I think it would be more of the same after a new manager bounce period

You've ignored the part where I mentioned that Spurs were in the top three for three of the seasons in the league overall for goals scored during that time. Was that due to other clubs misfiring as well?

 

[pratyush_utd]

I hope we announce it soon. The players might(probably not though) get out of their depression and try their best for the rest of the season.

Not going to happen with this lot. Most likely we will hear how one group is disappointed with selection

 

[Withnail]

It's hardly a "culture war" ffs. It's not the Messi vs Ronaldo thread in here. Pochettino is obviously a very good manager, it just feels like we more or less know what his upper level is and that makes him a massively uninspiring choice when set against someone who seems like they might have a high enough upside to have us properly competing again (or might be a massive flop).

As far as the people saying daft things like "I'd rather be relegated than have Poch", I hold @Amadaeus personally responsible for the level of disdain Poch sometimes gets on here.

You joke but you're probably right. He's probably done more to erode the support Poch had than on here, by being absolutely insufferable, than to convince anyone he should be the next manager.