Erik ten Hag - Ajax Manager

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Glad he was the choice. While I think Poch’s floor would be higher and likely the safer choice, Ten Hag’s ceiling is higher.
Hopefully he gets the support he needs, which has essentially been the case with all of our past selections.
This is kind of how I feel. Poch is relatively safe. Wouldn't change that much in the grand scheme of things but we need to if we want to compete with Liverpool and City.

ETH is more risk for more reward.
 

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I mean with the positivity around a new manager for whatever the reason is at the time. The expectation at the start of this season was a title challenge.

I do like ETH though and his Ajax side play some lovely football. I think for a lot of you if you were off the pace a bit next season but playing some good football and enjoying watching the side then that'd be enough for now. Seems like you're all fed up with the lack of entertainment and direction on the pitch more than anything.
Isn't that the case with basically every set of football fans whenever they get a new manager? It's obviously about context. Ten Hag breaks the mold of our previous approach and is a testament to the shakeup in the footballing hierarchy at the club, getting the likes of Woodward out and Murtough and others in. He's also the only manager we've hired on an upward trajectory that was widely coveted by other top clubs (narrowly missed out on the Bayern job to Nagelsmann by all accounts).
 

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This is a 5 year project at bare minimum. If we do not give him power to overhaul the squad and build it in his image, we are going to go on a Liverpool-esque multiple decade title drought and I completely believe that.
Its never a 5 year project ffs.
  • This summer/ year 1 - implement style, address DM/ST. Top 4 fight
  • Next summer/year 2 - address issues from year 1, replace weak points, push on to a steady/safe top 4 team who can punch with heavy weights in 1 off games but maybe lacks consistency
  • Summer 2024/year 3 and later - upgrade other parts where needed, step up to title challenging form, start competing seriously for CL and other trophies.
Its naturally going to be probably 1.5 seasons (2 summer windows/2 January window) of inconsistency/teething issues, but past that should come a step up.
 

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Its never a 5 year project ffs.
  • This summer/ year 1 - implement style, address DM/ST. Top 4 fight
  • Next summer/year 2 - address issues from year 1, replace weak points, push on to a steady/safe top 4 team who can punch with heavy weights in 1 off games but maybe lacks consistency
  • Summer 2024/year 3 and later - upgrade other parts where needed, step up to title challenging form, start competing seriously for CL and other trophies.
Its naturally going to be probably 1.5 seasons (2 summer windows/2 January window) of inconsistency/teething issues, but past that should come a step up.

The style and getting his authority over the squad is the main thing, especially with the absolute charlatan frauds we have in this squad.
 

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The style and getting his authority over the squad is the main thing, especially with the absolute charlatan frauds we have in this squad.
I mean, with the amount of expiring contracts this summer and next summer, the squad will inevitably undergo a huge revamp. Its going to be a very different dressing room no matter what.
 

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I mean, with the amount of expiring contracts this summer and next summer, the squad will inevitably undergo a huge revamp. Its going to be a very different dressing room no matter what.
Exactly. Which makes the timing perfect. There is no choice but a huge overhaul which is precisely what needs to happen.
 

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Hope he brings Antony with him. Then give him a striker and a DM and we should look half decent. Fullbacks would still be a problem but one step at a time
 

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I once took over a restaurant for a friend for 6 months to help him get it up and running.

When asking me to help, he told me there was a great kitchen in it, but when I arrived I found a kitchen that hadn't been touched in 4 years, and hadn't been cleaned before it closed.

There were dead animals inside fridges and ovens, the gas had been disconnected with what looked like an axe and almost every appliance had to be replaced.

The way I felt in that kitchen the first morning, was how I imagine Ten Hag will feel on his first training session watching Wan-Bissaka and mates.
Love this analogy so accurate!
 

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No idea what business we'll do this summer but whatever it is I hope we get a good chunk of it done early. A lot of ETH's first season will be about how quickly the team can adapt to what he wants so getting key players in for a full pre-season would be great, as opposed to them joining when the season is already underway.
 

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If he's staying here for 4-5 years then it's refreshing news, overall it will indeed take time to finally trust someone in successful working with Glazers, not to mention with players that need a lesson on modern football.

Part of me still thinks he'll flop and just as his predecessors, he'll be thrown under traditional United's bus after 3 years, but perhaps this time United manager won't crack under level of the best league in Europe, highest United standards and always demanding dressing room.

Huge mission ahead of Erik.
 

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It's literally a longer version of the below. As in the narration is taken directly from the article.

 

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Just hope the media, fans and board give this man time.
If he gets the backing we should see results a lot sooner than 4 years. He needs time and patience is required of us. I fear the #tenhagout to begin very early though if results turn sour
 

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Keeping my expectations very low. Hope he gets a considerable amount of time to sort out this dumpster fire of a squad and gets real authority over who he wants in and out.
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They are equally bad tbh. I paid for a year two years back and then cancelled it after a year but it took them another year before they actually locked me out. Same thing happened with MUTV. I unsubscribed but it took about another 7 months for it to switch off!
 

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If this comes true, all we can hope for is actual commitment from the board and management to conduct business in such a way as to enable success for Ten Hag.

That likely involves keeping Rangnick in a quasi-squad building role, and have free reign to bring in the type of players he wants.

Hopefully the two of them will surprise us with the signings, and focus on what we need rather than names and instagram accounts.
 

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If he's staying here for 4-5 years then it's refreshing news, overall it will indeed take time to finally trust someone in successful working with Glazers, not to mention with players that need a lesson on modern football.

Part of me still thinks he'll flop and just as his predecessors, he'll be thrown under traditional United's bus after 3 years, but perhaps this time United manager won't crack under level of the best league in Europe, highest United standards and always demanding dressing room.

Huge mission ahead of Erik.
Now that Ed is gone, and few “football people“ have been added, I hope that won’t be the case anymore. I think we’ll be somewhat competitive if we continue going this route.
 

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The players whose contracts are expiring will be gone by the time he comes in. It'll be those with long contracts that he doesn't want that will be the real test.
correct...so it's going to be huge turnover of players potentially both expired contracts who have left and guys he may feel don't fit and will want to sell. That's a big task for a guy just walking into the job so hopefully they do some due diligence before he arrives in terms of players he wants to bring in
 

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In a way he has a easier job than the previous managers in that some players are out of contract and will be on the Way out.

pogba
Lingard
Mata
Cavani

And there a lot more who will have one year left on their contracts

I dare not say it, but this could be the reset point where we can move into a new era!
Yes the timing can hardly be better, Rashford and Cristiano's contracts are up next season. So it's easier to clean up the squad.
 

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Have the "we are getting gazumped by Leipzig and Dortmund" bedwetters come to their senses yet?
 

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Now that Ed is gone, and few “football people“ have been added, I hope that won’t be the case anymore. I think we’ll be somewhat competitive if we continue going this route.
Could be. Rangnick's advice who needs to leave immediately could help Ten Hag immensely, right from the start.
 

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As if we won't give Rashford a huge long term contract
If we're smart and Ten Hag is given power I don't think he'll warrant a new contract for a 2 year out of form player on huge wages.

Best case scenario we let his contract run and let him fight for a new one. I doubt any team would take him on his current wages, we fear everyone will come calling for him. But see Pogba's case.

At the end of the day these players have been so bad for such a long time that there's not many big clubs interested in them. Specially considering they're on huge wages.

Actually letting Rashford go would send a strong strong message to the squad. As I said in another post I'm all in on giving Ten Hag full and absolute power on this squad. If he wants to sell Rashford, Cristiano, Bruno, De Gea or whoever I'm all in.
 

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How patient are you willing to be? Could take 3 or 4 years for us to be competing at the top.
As long as we pick up a few trophies here and there and keep improving then it’s progress.
 

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correct...so it's going to be huge turnover of players potentially both expired contracts who have left and guys he may feel don't fit and will want to sell. That's a big task for a guy just walking into the job so hopefully they do some due diligence before he arrives in terms of players he wants to bring in
I bet he’s watched a load of our matches and has been given access to players contracts etc. I think he’ll have a pretty good idea what’s needed to improve this squad already. It will be small steps though, can’t fix a broken machine in one hit.
 

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After watching this video, I'm wondering who in the current side will even feature under ETH. Maguire is definitely not the kind of CB they are talking about.
Sancho will fit nicely. You'd imagine Van de Beek will come back in.

There isn't really anyone else you'd feel is tailor made for it.