Where Zelensky insulted Scholz?
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Scholz is not the president
Scholz is our chancellor (head of government, practically the center of power), Steinmeier our president (head of state, more representative tasks). Steinmeier would have been part of the presidents visiting Ukraine today (Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia) if Zelensky hadn't said he wasn't welcome in Ukraine.
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There will never be any nukes placed in Finland or Sweden in peace time that I can guarantee you. Both countries will demand the same clause that Norway have of no nukes placed in the country in peace time.
It is amazing how quickly you can ship weapons if you want to...
However nobody can beat American logistics.
This is just ridiculous, when you consider this count is only from recorded footage so multiply this number by whatever you can imagine hasn't had a picture taken and uploaded of it, and when he says "tanks" he means MBT's, not including BMP's, etc. He's also still weeks behind.
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Sorry, but the idea of overhearing a Hungarian and a German publicly lamenting the quality of Ukrainian political leaders at this moment in time is very amusing!
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How did you manage to get this comparison so wrong? If the isle of Wight is 100% reliant on Russian gas then its 100 % reliant. The fact that this is 0000000000.1% of Russian gdp is irrelevant to the ilse of wight
It's not, it's becoming a real problem. In Germany it feels like public support for helping Ukraine shrinks with every public statement Andriy Melnyk (their ambassador) makes.
He is essentially treating Germany like Ukraine has a right to give Germany orders that we have to obey, and that really rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
And this does create a dilemma for our politicians - helping Ukraine under these diplomatic circumstances looks like we accept getting our souvereignity questioned.
The wording of their statements and their diplomatic actions are absolutely justifying a more cautious approach to the whole thing. And that's a tragedy for both countries.
As I mentioned prior, if people (not you!!) and politicians thought process is "I see them getting genocided, but they are using mean words so I don't think we should help" I doubt those people/Politicians were ever truly interested in helping beyond how it would help themselves. This is not just about Germany either as you can see it all over the West. If I see someone drowning and they begin cussing me out while I am trying to throw them a line I am not going to reconsider throwing them a line. I may be a little put off, but my desire to help will not change an iota.
The discussion is just about military aid. No one is talking about not taking refugees, no one is discussing about the treatment of Ukrainian soldiers in German hospitals and other humanitarian aid.
Green/White ranger as well.
Were you even a fan mate?
Was thinking the same, how can you forget the guy with Godzilla zord
Mate, I think you should understand that they’re at war with a military superpower where time pressures are huge now and all they have seen leading up to invasion and since the invasion from Germany just thoughts and prayers or even insults (like from you finance minister), I think it’s important that you hear some hard truths about your inactivity and funding of Russian war machine. It will hurt feelings no doubt but truth always hurts. You have to take leadership and finally show some backbone. That’s not only Ukraine but how most of Europe see you currently.
All the polling I’ve seen suggests that the German public are dissatisfied with the tardiness and insufficiency of the German government’s response to Ukraine so far. It is interesting though reading the political fallout to this, especially in German media and political social media accounts (as I do speak German).
I think Germany feeling sorry for itself over this perceived snub will age poorly. Given Steinmeier’s political history and the fact that he isn’t actually the de facto leader of Germany who can actually conduct business with the Ukrainian President, it seems somewhat inappropriate that the best Germany could offer is a visit by him.
Of course not, because that is not what gets blasted on Twitter and on TV. Should it? Yeah, it should as these are vital, no violent services that Germany and other nations are undertaking. Realistically though it is never going to lead and, while vital, it is not what is at the core of this war which is the very existence of the country those refuges and wounded soldiers would like to return to one day.
That's very ironic indeed, but you have to laught or else you'll cry.
It is still a shame to put off those type of people, but I think it also affects the effectiveness of fundraising for humanitarian aid. The other type of people would also donate a certain amount to feel good about themselves, but they might not feel intended to do so if that's what they get. It's also given ammunition to the pro-Russian people in the country.
Anyway, it was weeks ago. Most of the people became immune to this whole topic and I was afraid that the "official" support will also fade away across all of the participants, but the West decided to go along with this war.
Source is UN Comtrade.
Germany lagged a bit behind the UK in 2020 when funding the Russian invasion.
Believe me, I myself are fully aware of it, and also am not satisfied with the slow reaction of our government
Yet we should acknowledge that actually a lot of things are done - financial aid, medical help, at least waiving through every order they place for German weaponry with manufacturers. Bundeswehr also did send some stuff, albeit I understand the unhappiness about this, as this is really not going well. But to be honest I don't think this is much about Ukraine itself, but more due to the horrible state of the Bundeswehr. Sadly it's a long time since we had a competent minister of defence
Nonetheless I think it makes sense to talk about how Ukraine is perceived in Germany to understand reasons for this. And that isn't very positive at the moment.
Yes, it is no surprise that those politicians (like minister of economy Robert Habeck) that actually act in this time to help Ukraine rise a lot in popularity, when you see how most Germans want that. Yet I think that support could be bigger if Ukraine acted smarter towards Germany.
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I still won’t understand anyone feeling offended from their comfortable environment by some harsh but truthful words/statements at the time when you know that their country actually is experiencing genocide, rapes en masse, blockades, total destruction, 11 million people displaced and fighting for its right to exist in democratic world order. Tells you a lot about these type of people.Believe me, I myself are fully aware of it, and also am not satisfied with the slow reaction of our government
Yet we should acknowledge that actually a lot of things are done - financial aid, medical help, at least waiving through every order they place for German weaponry with manufacturers. Bundeswehr also did send some stuff, albeit I understand the unhappiness about this, as this is really not going well. But to be honest I don't think this is much about Ukraine itself, but more due to the horrible state of the Bundeswehr. Sadly it's a long time since we had a competent minister of defence
Nonetheless I think it makes sense to talk about how Ukraine is perceived in Germany to understand reasons for this. And that isn't very positive at the moment.
Yes, it is no surprise that those politicians (like minister of economy Robert Habeck) that actually act in this time to help Ukraine rise a lot in popularity, when you see how most Germans want that. Yet I think that support could be bigger if Ukraine acted smarter towards Germany.
Helicopters coming now - the level of weapons being supplied is ramping up.
The BBC reports:
"The US is to send an additional $800m in military assistance to Ukraine.
The announcement follows a phone call between Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky and US President Joe Biden.
Biden said the support would include new weapons tailored to combat Russia’s expected “wider assault” in the east of Ukraine.
The package also includes helicopters and what Biden called “new capabilities” such as artillery systems and armoured personnel carriers."
The BBC reports:
"The US is to send an additional $800m in military assistance to Ukraine.
The announcement follows a phone call between Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky and US President Joe Biden.
Biden said the support would include new weapons tailored to combat Russia’s expected “wider assault” in the east of Ukraine.
The package also includes helicopters and what Biden called “new capabilities” such as artillery systems and armoured personnel carriers."
Can't really believe they'll give them choppers.
The Apache would love some of those 8 mile long bumper to bumper convoys.
Sound like this might be true, multiple Ukranian officials confirming it. Moskva is their high profile flagship, not some random frigate. It will be easily disproven by the morning if not, I don't see them making this up but we'll see.
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They’ve apparently been taken out.
Good. Hope it sank with all hands onboard.
What gives you this notion?
This guy doesn't have many followers, but (and note "missiles" plural):
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After a call between Biden and Zelensky the helicopters were apparently added again
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However we are talking about Mi-17 multi-purpose transport helicopters, not attack helicopters like the Mi-24 or Apache.
Nonetheless these will prove to be useful, as we know such helicopters were (still are?) used to resupply Mariupol and might be used for similar situations if they should occur.
Regarding the Moskva: That would be massive, if true. But keep in mind, that it might have nuclear bombs on board, so if it is really destroyed it might lead to some pollution/contamination.
Misleading statement... a few days ago he tweeted of about ~200 vehicles backlog, that he couldn't confirm so far - but most updates are made on the same day.
If their Black Sea flagship really has been hit by multiple missiles - that'd be a huge, huge knockback for Putin. And imagine if it actually sinks!
I'm sorry but "some pollution" when a nuclear bomb is on board? That's quite the understatement, no?
There are multiple warheads lost at sea. Its not an issue, the material is too little and they remain intact usually.
His various comments not seen him update on it in a week or so. There was a guy on reddit couple days ago however saying the Russian backlog was 200 vehicles that were awaiting verification.
Yep. I currently live less than 30 miles from a lost nuke. They are constantly looking for it, but they can’t detect anything on a Geiger counter.