If he’s cleared he’ll be flogged abroad. There is very little chance he plays for the club again.
Rangnick - "Apart from goalkeeping we need to improve all areas of our squad" | Muppets amass
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No we wouldn't. If he's charged and convicted the club can just rip up the contract and save about £10m. If he escapes being charged the club will either try and negotiate a contract termination or try to quickly sell him off abroad somewhere. Whichever is more expedient.
He won't play for us again either way.
We went on a run of playing the worst teams in the league. He won 3 of his first 4 league games and lost the 5th. We scored a grand total of 6 goals in those first 5 games against Palace, Norwich, Newcastle, Burnley and Wolves. I wouldn’t say he got us playing bar 45 minutes against Palace.
If he’s cleared the club will have absolutely no grounds to negotiate a contract termination.
The very declaration of him not playing for the club again can only be predicated upon the presumption of guilt, which the club could not possibly take against a man who was legally innocent.
We were happy to ignore it when Mourinho said it. This isn’t about whether he’s right or wrong to believe what’s he said. It’s about the benefit of saying it in public right now.
Doesn’t matter whether he bought them or not. Publicly criticising players is either a good thing or it isn’t.
Of course they have grounds. That tape of him breached his contract obligations by bringing the club into disrepute, whether or not it ends up in criminal charges.
But that's why I said negotiate. If he's convicted there's no negotiation needed the contract gets ripped up and he doesnt get anything.
It never takes that long to rebuild. This summer 3 starters and a squad player is needed, next January/summer another few upgrades in the fullback positions and we should be a very competitive team by 2023/24. Wouldn't be ready to compete for the title by 24/25 at the soonest though, but cup competitions why not? We should see a competitive team on the way up and visible progress pretty quickly though.
I’m glad for you that you can be excited at the idea of Rangnick fixing all our ills. His spell as manager, picking players like Telles and Dalot, doesn’t fill me with the confidence you have.
He could’ve taken up his consultancy role and done all the things you think he’ll do without being manager.
Mourinho wasn’t saying the club need to have a set identity and hire players and managers to fit that identity moving away from the cult of the manager at all. Where is this comparison coming from? He wanted total control and fell out because we wouldn’t spunk 60m on Maguire after he decided his other two 30m centre backs he’d just signed weren’t good enough.
It kind of is. And Mourinho criticised the recruitment too. He was a dick when he did it. Rangnick is a genius.
This is why he needs an important role when he moves upstairs, and not some "advisory" role. He's impartial because he doesn't gain or lose anything from what he says, he just tells it straight, which we've needed.
This guy has helped form Leipzig, he knows how to build clubs, he should be being listened to, his role should be above Murtough.
This guy has helped form Leipzig, he knows how to build clubs, he should be being listened to, his role should be above Murtough.
No, both just said the players aren’t good enough.
The goalkeeping situation is not as low priority as most seem to think.
With a different style of play will come a highline, opposition giving emphasis on set pieces and playing the ball to feet more often than not. These are all aspects of play that DDG is not really good at.
I'd say this position is one of the biggest priority.
Anyway I perhaps gather he was talking about the goalkeeping position in general and not DDG specifically. Either way, we need better.
With a different style of play will come a highline, opposition giving emphasis on set pieces and playing the ball to feet more often than not. These are all aspects of play that DDG is not really good at.
I'd say this position is one of the biggest priority.
Anyway I perhaps gather he was talking about the goalkeeping position in general and not DDG specifically. Either way, we need better.
That’s interesting; can you point to a source? I’ve long believed that the squad’s poor fitness has some underlying cause.
Been behind Ralf since day one. His extremely forthright manner is just wonderful to listen to. He just says it how it is with no sugar coating. Top man.
I sure hope our board are actually listening to him!
I sure hope our board are actually listening to him!
Given the number of players definitely gone - (Jesse, Pogba, Cavani, Greenwood, Mata, Matic) the fact that Ronny is not capable of 40 games a season and we need to replace Maguire...
We need at least a CB, 2 Midfielders, a RW and a striker all good enough to step in to the starting 11.
5 minimum this window.Judging by his comments on Klopp, he was suggesting that buying players who have already trained under similar regimes cuts short rebuild times. It’s clever. With that in mind - perhaps expect:
Christopher Nkunku, Konrad Laimer, Adeyemi is already attracting interest from Liverpool.
We need at least a CB, 2 Midfielders, a RW and a striker all good enough to step in to the starting 11.
5 minimum this window.Judging by his comments on Klopp, he was suggesting that buying players who have already trained under similar regimes cuts short rebuild times. It’s clever. With that in mind - perhaps expect:
Christopher Nkunku, Konrad Laimer, Adeyemi is already attracting interest from Liverpool.
Largely because he's been dreadful this year tbf.
It's actually ridiculous that people think De Gea is a problem. He is one of the only reasons we have remained in the top half. I don't back Henderson or many other keepers to pull off some of his saves - the guy is peppered with one on one's or short range headers yet it's his fault the rest of the team allowed it to happenSome are going to have a shock when De Gea eventually leaves and we struggle for years to get a competent replacement. They'll be wishing we had someone as 'bad' as De Gea
Thanks for that three and half rebuild, Ole. Good thing we gave you enough time.
Any chance we could bring in 6 new players in summer? Can we be clever and not buy every player for 50/60 mill. Buy couple of players not even on our radar that would fit the new managers style.
He is spot on about 3-5 year rebuilds being bullshit for a club of our size should all be done on the space of about 3-4 windows.
If you spread it out over too long a period you will never catch up.
If you spread it out over too long a period you will never catch up.
Agreed. Without DDG we probably lose against Norwich 4-2. The saves against Pukki and Rashica saved our asses big time.
He might not be the best with his feet or amazing aerially but he's the best shot stopper in the world IMO. For a team that concedes many shots, who else could we have better?
what’s the mourinho quotes again? Let’s compare
This man thinks that De Gea is fine? We have more problems than I thought. He's at least not sugar coating the rest. That's the one thing I like about him. He is honest and not bullshitting like crazy in interviews. We know that this squad needs a major rebuild. Zero chance we're buying as many players as we need in the summer. It's going to take at least 2 years to rebuild the squad.
except we're not buying players for Rangnick but ETH
I am not sure what are you trying to say here with those amazing stats but if you want to prove that Hendo is better than DDG then it confirms what I said. I am not saying that DDG is the best keeper in the world but he is simply not a reason why we are shite and Ralf is right, GK is probably the last position we need to focus on improving right now, we have much more urgent needs. We of course can get someone who is good on the ball but then people will be crying that he is not as good at saving shots as DDG.
The point was never that De Gea isn't making excellent saves though. It's that making saves is the only thing he's good at.
And the clubs where goalkeepers make the least saves are (unsurprisingly) the best clubs; City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Therefore they're the clubs where making saves is least important when compared to everything else that's expected of a goalkeeper.
The better the team, the less De Gea suits the team. And that's a problem for any team looking to get better.
Mendy is miles better in the air though. Honestly if your assessment is right and we don’t replace De Gea I don’t think we have any chance of competing for top honours. I’ll also predict that the CBS will continue to be branded failures until we get a better keeper in place who can handle more than just world class shot stopping. We are desperate for a keeper with a commanding presence!
What's the other part to this? Whether he's saying this for that reason, or for what other reason?
But that means De Gea is the last piece that needs changing. Fix the other 10 and then get back to De Gea - what's the point of looking to change the one thing that is working right now when all the areas are absolute trash
Rangnick doesn't want to out De Gea in the media. He knows that he will be replaced no doubt.
Easier to pick on positions where he doesn't have to out a single player.
Ah look, you can argue the two are similar on paper but Mourinho had a history of throwing tantrums and singling out players for abuse in order to cover his own tracks, whereas Ralf hasn't anything like that. Mourinho was hysterical in his criticisms and it felt really nasty whereas Ralf has generally been very calm and measured in his.
The way I see it is one did it out of spite to cover his tracks and the other knows he's only manager til the end of the season and is merely telling it like he out without any real malice. There's a big difference.
Yep, it's absolutely fair to argue that he's less of a priority than x many other problems. It's the idea that he isn't a problem at all that should be dismissed. At some point he has to go as part of this rebuild, it's just a question of timing and priorities.
The most commanding keepers in terms of collecting crosses are the likes of Nick Pope, Pickford and Ben Foster. Not sure they'd help turn us into a world class team. Allison and Ederson are bang average as far as their presence in the box goes.
I like Ralf and I think he should be put into a far more prominent position to advise this club going forward. That being said he’s done an objectively shocking job as manager. He’s failed to meet even basic expectations, I mean this squad is still more than good enough to get top 4 or at least begin to show some tactical influence. We have seen absolutely nothing and have put in some of the weakest performances I can remember from a Utd team. Hell he’s made our Mourinho team look like mentality monsters and they were appalling too.
Looking to the positives at least Ralf has now had a great chance to analyse each of the players and our hierarchy. We can now only hope hd gets put into a proper position of power and can influence real change in his favoured role, a more overseer role. I’ll reiterate though, as a manager he really has proven to be completely out of his depth.
Already addressed earlier in the thread, we conceded 43 goals that season, we won the league because we had an outstanding centre forward and outscored the opposition rather than being defensively solid.
I agree with this but it's slightly worrying that Ralf is sticking the knife into the club (rightly so) on how it's been run the last number of years. We all know our club doesn't like airing their dirty laundry in public. Hopefully it's not a sign of Ralf not being given a predominant role and he's just sticking 2 fingers up to them.
I don’t know how else to look at it!
Caf is a weird place sometimes, there are people who will find minutia of error on every single thing and make a mountain our of mole hill.