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Zidane never did an elastico. Does this mean he was never as skilled as Rivelino, Thiago Alcanara, Raphinha or Antony?

Messi doesn't use the typical Brazillian skill moves like elasticos, pedaladas, rabonas, etc., that's true, but these are just a different type of skills. Messi e. g. uses la croqueta very often and most importantly he is a master of the gambetta dribble. Your classification just doesn't make sense. What you're talking about is actually style of execution, not skill. There are more spectacular skills as well as more subtle ones. But they're skills anyway. In essence, skills just mean ability and if Messi wasn't one of the most skilled players every, yoi'd see more people pulling the stuff of he pulls off.

I also strongly disagree with the idea of not distinguishing between skill and technique. The actual movement of an elastico is actually very easy to learn. It is nothing difficult by any means. What's really underrated int erms of dribbling is to recognize the right opportunity, have the anticipation and awareness to see and exploit small openings in the opponent's posture or his foot work, etc. as well as always being aware of your surroundings, how quickly you can process information, etc.:


This stuff is so underrated. You probably can find footballers who are as skillful as Ronalinho quite easily. Many street footballers are probably even far better than him. But they are nowhere near him because they lack the cognitive skills.
A good example is Falcao (the futsal legend) Based on the shall we call it “elastico” criteria, that dude is probably the GOAT of futsal AND football
 

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Actually scores a goal for psg and only one post. You can tell how irrelevant his time in France has been.
 

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Actually scores a goal for psg and only one post. You can tell how irrelevant his time in France has been.
Yes, the Caf is a real microcosm of the world at large. If it was quiet here, it simply didn't happen.
 

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Mbappe outshined him yet again. Messi's goal was inconsequential to the result.
Not really starting a competition here. Everyone knows that Mpabbe is the current star at PSG.
 

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Yes, the Caf is a real microcosm of the world at large. If it was quiet here, it simply didn't happen.
Wonder what the Ronaldo thread would have looked like if had he joined PSG ;)
 

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Quality goal again. Small consolation for an otherwise poor season for his standards.
 

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I wanted to ask a question about Messi, not PSG related, but this was the only thread I could find.

How good was he in the year 2007 ? Sorry if this is the wrong thread.
 

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I wanted to ask a question about Messi, not PSG related, but this was the only thread I could find.

How good was he in the year 2007 ? Sorry if this is the wrong thread.
27 goals and 11 assists in all comps in the whole of 2007
hat trick vs Real and this goal in the CdR


He was already talked about being a future world's greatest.
 
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27 goals and 11 assists in all comps in the whole of 2007
hat trick vs Real and this goal in the CdR


He was already talked about being a future world's greatest.
Wow I didn't know he had so many assists at such a young age. Shows how much he had already developed a good football brain.

I had seen the Getafe goal and some clips obviously, but wanted to know how good his general play was outside of the goals. Thanks for your comment!
 

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I wanted to ask a question about Messi, not PSG related, but this was the only thread I could find.

How good was he in the year 2007 ? Sorry if this is the wrong thread.
The 2006-07 season is the greatest Madrid season I have ever experienced. I literally lived and died with every game. We were losing the title to Barca until the last 20 minutes of the final game of the season. There was an entire soap opera going on behind the scenes.
Fabio Capello really straightened us out. The 3-3 Messi hattrick video posted above came during the 100th day of Capello's reign. At the start of the season he had asked for 100 days to implement his ideas. Little did he know it would be the Barca game.
 

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The 2006-07 season is the greatest Madrid season I have ever experienced. I literally lived and died with every game. We were losing the title to Barca until the last 20 minutes of the final game of the season. There was an entire soap opera going on behind the scenes.
Fabio Capello really straightened us out. The 3-3 Messi hattrick video posted above came during the 100th day of Capello's reign. At the start of the season he had asked for 100 days to implement his ideas. Little did he know it would be the Barca game.
Yeah I can imagine. 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 were really close seasons between Barça and Madrid.

But just to keep the thread on topic, i'm not sure if this season has been just a ''bad'' season for Messi (like 2013-14) and he'll come back better the next one, or if Barça got his prime until every last drop of energy and he's actually declining now.
 

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Yeah I can imagine. 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 were really close seasons between Barça and Madrid.

But just to keep the thread on topic, i'm not sure if this season has been just a ''bad'' season for Messi (like 2013-14) and he'll come back better the next one, or if Barça got his prime until every last drop of energy and he's actually declining now.
As someone who adores the man, it's unfortunately looking like it's the latter. Don't expect anything the first few months of next season either as he puts himself on ice for the WC.
 

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27 goals and 11 assists in all comps in the whole of 2007
hat trick vs Real and this goal in the CdR


He was already talked about being a future world's greatest.
Our very own rudd van Nistelrooy, had a great!
 

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One thing to add is that he had a bit of a decline and some injuries seemed to be piling up , so at the time I thought there is a huge possibility of him not realizing his potential.

But then pep came (and apparently changed even his diet) and the rest is history and we've never looked back ever since.
 

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Young Messi was insane, his whole career has been insane but it was magical watching him tear it up at 19/20 years of age.
 

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Young Messi was insane, his whole career has been insane but it was magical watching him tear it up at 19/20 years of age.
Explosive dribblers are always the most magical to watch.
 

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Disregarding the fact he's hit the crossbar I think 7-8 times in the league, it says more about Pochettino than Messi that his xG was in the single digits playing in Ligue 1 with Mbappe and Neymar/Di Maria (two of the most creative players in the world alongside him).
 

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Yeah I can imagine. 2006-2007 and 2009-2010 were really close seasons between Barça and Madrid.

But just to keep the thread on topic, i'm not sure if this season has been just a ''bad'' season for Messi (like 2013-14) and he'll come back better the next one, or if Barça got his prime until every last drop of energy and he's actually declining now.
Messi's heart belongs to Barca and not PSG. No amount of money will motivate Messi to run for PSG like he did for Barca and PSG fans will remain underwhelmed even next season.
This is exactly why I don't accept the argument about how Messi has not done it across multiple leagues unlike Ronaldo. Ronaldo genuinely wants to play across Europe ... He loves Madrid the most, but wants to experience multiple top leagues. If Ronaldo were forced to play in the Turkish league, I bet he wouldn't be motivated to maintain the standards he is at.
 

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As someone who adores the man, it's unfortunately looking like it's the latter. Don't expect anything the first few months of next season either as he puts himself on ice for the WC.
He won't put himself on ice... if he wants to have a great World Cup, he needs to be playing at a high level before it.

If he ''downed tools'' or even refused to play certain games, he would reach the WC lacking match fitness and pace.
 

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Messi's heart belongs to Barca and not PSG. No amount of money will motivate Messi to run for PSG like he did for Barca and PSG fans will remain underwhelmed even next season.
This is exactly why I don't accept the argument about how Messi has not done it across multiple leagues unlike Ronaldo. Ronaldo genuinely wants to play across Europe ... He loves Madrid the most, but wants to experience multiple top leagues. If Ronaldo were forced to play in the Turkish league, I bet he wouldn't be motivated to maintain the standards he is at.
While I get your point, playing with the likes of Neymar and Mbappe should give him a more competitive team than Barça at the moment...and we know he is very competitive.
 

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Did you lot even read the rest of the post, there was a very specific reason I talked about his crossbar shots for fecks sake.
Yeah and quite clearly him hitting the crossbar had nothing to do with the rest of your post. You snuck it in because you wanted it known not because it added to your later point.
 

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I think its fair to say that he’s had a truly terrible season. Won’t dent his legacy for me though, and I’m a Ronaldo GOATer. What these two did during their prime is insane. But the fact is Ronaldo took care of himself like no other athlete except Brady and Lebron. Messi didn’t. Doesn’t take away from Messi’s otherwordly skill but does add something to Ronnie’s claim for the crown.

Think he will have a much better season next year.
 

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I think its fair to say that he’s had a truly terrible season. Won’t dent his legacy for me though, and I’m a Ronaldo GOATer. What these two did during their prime is insane. But the fact is Ronaldo took care of himself like no other athlete except Brady and Lebron. Messi didn’t. Doesn’t take away from Messi’s otherwordly skill but does add something to Ronnie’s claim for the crown.

Think he will have a much better season next year.
I don’t think that it’s a case of Messi not taking care of himself but more a case of him not ageing aswell as Ronaldo who’s is pretty much on a level of his own for a player performing at such and advanced age. I don’t think there’s ever been a 37 year old as good as current Ronaldo is.
 

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I think its fair to say that he’s had a truly terrible season. Won’t dent his legacy for me though, and I’m a Ronaldo GOATer. What these two did during their prime is insane. But the fact is Ronaldo took care of himself like no other athlete except Brady and Lebron. Messi didn’t. Doesn’t take away from Messi’s otherwordly skill but does add something to Ronnie’s claim for the crown.

Think he will have a much better season next year.
I mean this makes no sense.

It's not Messi is going out and partying drinking booze and destroying his body in the process.

He's not physically gifted like Ronaldo and Lebron. Age is just getting the best of him.
 

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I don’t think that it’s a case of Messi not taking care of himself but more a case of him not ageing aswell as Ronaldo who’s is pretty much on a level of his own for a player performing at such and advanced age. I don’t think there’s ever been a 37 year old as good as current Ronaldo is.
I think it’s becomes more a case of how Messi finally fails to deliver in another league/country, which further reinforce the arguments/beliefs that Ronaldo is good at everywhere in every league/country/system, whereas Messi only shines at Barca under same system, and can’t repeat the same elsewhere.

Although I do believe it is more of a case of Messi simply aging worse (but at a rate similar to everyone else), while Ronaldo at 37, is generational physical freak, still performing very good and easily better than Messi at 34.
 

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I think it’s becomes more a case of how Messi finally fails to deliver in another league/country, which further reinforce the arguments/beliefs that Ronaldo is good at everywhere in every league/country/system, whereas Messi only shines at Barca under same system, and can’t repeat the same elsewhere.

Although I do believe it is more of a case of Messi simply aging worse (but at a rate similar to everyone else), while Ronaldo at 37, is generational physical freak, still performing very good and easily better than Messi at 34.
Barcelona didn't play the same system under Pep, Enrique and Valverde.