New documents allege Saudi involvement in 9/11

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I have always found the American desire to cover for the Saudis really weird. 15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudi Citizens. You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to realise elements in the government knew and aided this crime.
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Pfft been whispered about for ages. Yet the US has been happy taking blood money from Saudi for ages while focusing its attentions elsewhere with indiscriminate bombings and drone strikes
 

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For some reason I always assumed that it was an accepted fact.
 

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What would the Saudis gain from 9/11? I've never seen a proper motive or explanation for how Saudi-Arabia would benefit from it.
 

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What would the Saudis gain from 9/11? I've never seen a proper motive or explanation for how Saudi-Arabia would benefit from it.
Elimination of a regional rival? Getting one over on the West? Never underestimate their hatred for the US on one hand, whilst the other is happy to take the petro dollars. The sooner the world stops relying on oil the better.

I have always thought the plot was genuine but the US found out about it and allowed it to happen anyway.
 

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What would the Saudis gain from 9/11? I've never seen a proper motive or explanation for how Saudi-Arabia would benefit from it.
It is more likely that some isolated elements in their military and Govt aided Osama due to ideological leanings.
 
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What would the Saudis gain from 9/11? I've never seen a proper motive or explanation for how Saudi-Arabia would benefit from it.
I don’t think it necessarily was a government sanctioned event by the Saudis, it was funded by a small faction of the extremely large ruling family.
 

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Why did they fund it?
IIRC it's ideoligical. Saudi Arabia is a sacred ground, foreign presence is blasphemous and the US represent those foreign presences.
 

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What would the Saudis gain from 9/11? I've never seen a proper motive or explanation for how Saudi-Arabia would benefit from it.
the attacks directly resulted in a devastating war in Iraq and regime change there

that would be a strong motive, but for it to make sense they’d have needed to know it would end up causing that war which seems unlikely
 

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the attacks directly resulted in a devastating war in Iraq and regime change there

that would be a strong motive, but for it to make sense they’d have needed to know it would end up causing that war which seems unlikely
But wasn't Afghanistan the result of 9/11? And Iraq for another reason (fake WMD) ?
 

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But wasn't Afghanistan the result of 9/11? And Iraq for another reason (fake WMD) ?
Yeah but it followed on from 9/11 didn’t it? The war on terror and all that bollocks. As there weren’t any WMD they clearly just wanted a war.
 

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What would the Saudis gain from 9/11? I've never seen a proper motive or explanation for how Saudi-Arabia would benefit from it.
A lot of people in SA and inevitably, part of the government had/have similar ideologies to Al-Qaeda
 

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Why didn’t the USA enforce regime change in Saudi Arabia if this was true?

Especially when they were making up reasons to attack countries at the time
 

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Why didn’t the USA enforce regime change in Saudi Arabia if this was true?

Especially when they were making up reasons to attack countries at the time
Since when the US actually have the ability to enforce regime changes without creating an absolute mess?
 

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Since when the US actually have the ability to enforce regime changes without creating an absolute mess?
That didn’t deter them from attacking Iraq which was years after 9/11
 

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Check out how much money Saudi Arabia has invested in the US.
Still wouldn’t they have gained a huge amount of geopolitical power by attacking and taking control of the Saudi Arabian oil fields. Would that not be a huge incentive for them to bring “democracy” to Saudi Arabia?

I just don’t get why they would hold back on Saudi Arabia if this was true. Bush\Cheney\Rumsfield were a blood thirsty bunch
 

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That didn’t deter them from attacking Iraq which was years after 9/11
The difference is that SA is a much larger and wealthier country, you know from the start that you are starting troubles that you can't handle and that no one in the region will control. Beyond religious implications, there is the small issue of distributing what is currently the largest reserve of fossil energy.
The US can afford to be reckless when it comes to Irak especially when they had the support of SA but they can't afford to be reckless with Saudi Arabia.

Still wouldn’t they have gained a huge amount of geopolitical power by attacking and taking control of the Saudi Arabian oil fields. Would that not be a huge incentive for them to bring “democracy” to Saudi Arabia?

I just don’t get why they would hold back on Saudi Arabia if this was true. Bush\Cheney\Rumsfield were a blood thirsty bunch
No, they would gain the largest religious war that we have seen since the middle age.
 

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Why didn’t the USA enforce regime change in Saudi Arabia if this was true?

Especially when they were making up reasons to attack countries at the time
because they like their regime a lot
 

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What would the Saudis gain from 9/11? I've never seen a proper motive or explanation for how Saudi-Arabia would benefit from it.
Wars and recessions are good for the very rich. It’s all as rigged as the WWE. Let the citizens of countries hate each other and live in fear while they become more dependant on the politicians and puppets the real power put in place and hide behind. Money keeps rolling in. Look at the counties that won’t jive with America? All being destroyed and looted one after the other in the name of freedom. It’s really as stupid as it sounds. If people got smart and came together it would be very dangerous for the elite.
 
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The difference is that SA is a much larger and wealthier country, you know from the start that you are starting troubles that you can't handle and that no one in the region will control. Beyond religious implications, there is the small issue of distributing what is currently the largest reserve of fossil energy.
The US can afford to be reckless when it comes to Irak especially when they had the support of SA but they can't afford to be reckless with Saudi Arabia.



No, they would gain the largest religious war that we have seen since the middle age.
SA is larger but isn’t it mostly just desert areas? The population is lower than Iraq and I’ve always understood their military is shit and unmotivated.

I don’t think their wealth has helped the army that much considering what’s happened with Yemen

I kinda think the USA would have a easier time with Saudi than Iraq which has Iran on its border
 

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There’s 15K members of the Saudi royal family, power is concentrated in 2K. It is entirely plausible & most likely true that one or a handful of fundamentalist family members found common ground with OBL / AQ & were intimately involved in the planning / execution of 9/11.
 

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SA is larger but isn’t it mostly just desert areas? The population is lower than Iraq and I’ve always understood their military is shit and unmotivated.

I don’t think their wealth has helped the army that much considering what’s happened with Yemen

I kinda think the USA would have a easier time with Saudi than Iraq which has Iran on its border
A larger country means that it's larger to control, it requires more resources, you are also talking about a country where local factions will have a massive interest in fighting for resources, they have no reason to let someone else exploit them and even less a foreign nation. It's not the military that should worry about, the same way that it wasn't Iraq military that would be the issue.

And that's without mentioning the religious implications.
 

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Still wouldn’t they have gained a huge amount of geopolitical power by attacking and taking control of the Saudi Arabian oil fields. Would that not be a huge incentive for them to bring “democracy” to Saudi Arabia?

I just don’t get why they would hold back on Saudi Arabia if this was true. Bush\Cheney\Rumsfield were a blood thirsty bunch
I'm no expert on but I'd imagine the gains from invading would be pretty negligible.

Leaving aside the hundreds of billions of Saudi investment that would disappear, the US already gets preferential rates on Saudi oil, so any further saving would be wiped out by the cost of an invasion & occupation. In addition, there's no chance they'd get international support because the fall out would likely throw the global economy into chaos.

They'd also lose a major ally in the middle east while turning every Muslim alive into their mortal enemy as they watch US troops patrolling mecca.

They might be blood thirsty, but they're not babbling insane fools.

Much better to maintain the benefits of the status quo, even if it means once in a while quietly shepherding a few dozen Saudi dignitaries out of the country in a serious hurry after a major terrorist attack.
 

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I'm no expert on but I'd imagine the gains from invading would be pretty negligible.

Leaving aside the hundreds of billions of Saudi investment that would disappear, the US already gets preferential rates on Saudi oil, so any further saving would be wiped out by the cost of an invasion & occupation. In addition, there's no chance they'd get international support because the fall out would likely throw the global economy into chaos.

They'd also lose a major ally in the middle east while turning every Muslim alive into their mortal enemy as they watch US troops patrolling mecca.

They might be blood thirsty, but they're not babbling insane fools.

Much better to maintain the benefits of the status quo, even if it means once in a while quietly shepherding a few dozen Saudi dignitaries out of the country in a serious hurry after a major terrorist attack.
Some good points, makes a lot of sense
 

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the attacks directly resulted in a devastating war in Iraq and regime change there

that would be a strong motive, but for it to make sense they’d have needed to know it would end up causing that war which seems unlikely
Makes even less sense when you consider that regime change in Baghdad turned Iran from an enemy of Iraq to the most influential regional player there, not something the Saudis would have desired.

There’s 15K members of the Saudi royal family, power is concentrated in 2K. It is entirely plausible & most likely true that one or a handful of fundamentalist family members found common ground with OBL / AQ & were intimately involved in the planning / execution of 9/11.
Yeah, Saudi intelligence had a relationship some might describe as intimate with bin Laden for at least a couple decades going back, very likely ties were maintained with some elements even after Osama went rogue in the early 90s.
 

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I have always found the American desire to cover for the Saudis really weird.
Has anyone ever covered anything wothout actually being involved in it, or having something out of it?

Does anyone think they covered this because they like Saudis?
 

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US buys Saudi oil, Saudis buy US weapons. Its the circle of life, and it moves us all.

Jeremy Scahill has a brilliant book about private mercenary companies during the Iraq war and in it he details the complex web of relationships between US government representatives, weapons manufacturers and private army companies like Blackwater. Somewhere in all of that is the reason why the US never went after Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

This information is pretty condemning and whoever was involved should be prosecuted. Imagine the people elected to represent and protect the public are involved in this stuff. Shocking really.
 
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US buys Saudi oil, Saudis buy US weapons. Its the circle of life, and it moves us all.

Jeremy Scahill has a brilliant book about private mercenary companies during the Iraq war and in it he details the complex web of relationships between US government representatives, weapons manufacturers and private army companies like Blackwater. Somewhere in all of that is the reason why the US never went after Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

This information is pretty condemning and whoever was involved should be prosecuted. Imagine the people elected to represent and protect the public are involved in this stuff. Shocking really.
And you think much will happen to anyone involved? They got away with stealing $2.3 tn and covered it up with 911 but thats supposedly a conspiracy theory…
 

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There was the supposed surveillance by Alec Station (CIA task force assigned to track AQ/OBL starting in the mid-90s) circa 1999/2000 of a known Saudi prince fox hunting with Bin Laden. That doesn't happen by coincidence. You are the company you keep.

My guess is small elements of the royals actively funded and supported terrorism, the rest were content being fat, happy, and extremely rich.
 

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There was the supposed surveillance by Alec Station (CIA task force assigned to track AQ/OBL starting in the mid-90s) circa 1999/2000 of a known Saudi prince fox hunting with Bin Laden. That doesn't happen by coincidence. You are the company you keep.

My guess is small elements of the royals actively funded and supported terrorism, the rest were content being fat, happy, and extremely rich.
You deserve a fatwa for that kind of statement.
 

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US buys Saudi oil, Saudis buy US weapons. Its the circle of life, and it moves us all.

Jeremy Scahill has a brilliant book about private mercenary companies during the Iraq war and in it he details the complex web of relationships between US government representatives, weapons manufacturers and private army companies like Blackwater. Somewhere in all of that is the reason why the US never went after Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

This information is pretty condemning and whoever was involved should be prosecuted. Imagine the people elected to represent and protect the public are involved in this stuff. Shocking really.
Great book.