19 children and 2 teachers killed in Texas school shooting (24 May 2022)

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So very sad, what is going to happen to those children now, are they just going to go into the "system"??
There's a fundraiser for the family mentioned in the replies underneath that tweet that has $200k+ raised so far. Not sure how much financial aid helps in terms of securing their future going forward though.
 

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There's a fundraiser for the family mentioned in the replies underneath that tweet that has $200k+ raised so far. Not sure how much financial aid helps in terms of securing their future going forward though.
Yeah money isn't the issue, they can't stay at home by themselves can they?
Hopefully they have some other family, like uncle/aunties, etc that they can go and live with.
 

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Yeah money isn't the issue, they can't stay at home by themselves can they?
Hopefully they have some other family, like uncle/aunties, etc that they can go and live with.
Hopefully the parents had written a will. In the absence of a will, it becomes difficult for aunts and grandparents to get custody of an American citizen child.
 

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Serious question: Do Americans genuinely believe that their country is the freest, safest country in the world and admired around the world?
I think the people you are talking about, "the gun loving, freedom loving rednecks", don't care what the world thinks of them. In fact, they probably would take pride in the idea that a bunch of sissy Euro's are shocked at their gun culture. It's their identity and as their hero says, " You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers."
 

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Many do. Yes.
Yes. They've been brainwashed since they were little kids (pledge of allegiance, etc) to hear that the US is the best and most free country in the world. The only thing I can say for sure is that it's the richest and that's easy to measure.
The rest is either flat out wrong, or highly debatable.
 

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The cops outside the school armed with ARs, wearing bullet proof vests and helmets and still did nothing to try and stop the shooter. Never in my life have I seen such cowards, they are perfectly equiped for the situation and did nothing to save those poor kids. Every single one of them should be named, shamed and fired asap.
 

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Yes. They've been brainwashed since they were little kids (pledge of allegiance, etc) to hear that the US is the best and most free country in the world. The only thing I can say for sure is that it's the richest and that's easy to measure.
The rest is either flat out wrong, or highly debatable.
Yeah, you should see the look of confusion on students faces when I take them through our rankings in things like HDI, literacy, maternal mortality, infant mortality, life expectancy. medical debt, national debt, etc.
 

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The cops outside the school armed with ARs, wearing bullet proof vests and helmets and still did nothing to try and stop the shooter. Never in my life have I seen such cowards, they are perfectly equiped for the situation and did nothing to save those poor kids. Every single one of them should be named, shamed and fired asap.
Cosplay Cops. I wonder what percentage of our militarized police force fall into that category.
 

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Serious question: Do Americans genuinely believe that their country is the freest, safest country in the world and admired around the world?
You gotta always remember, we’re exceptional. Been taught that since we were young ‘uns.
 

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I know this is pejorative rhetorical aimed at a caricature of conservatives but go ahead and ask them and they'll tell you absolutely not for reasons most here would dismiss as nonsense
Yeah they'll not call the country safe because not everyone carries five guns. You are absolutely correct
 

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So apparently the police not only unsuccessfully encountered the shooter before he went into school, they lied about the shooter wearing protection and then went on to wait an hour before backup arrived. In front of a school. Where there was a murderous rampage going on. They just sat there, with their guns, their training and waited for guys with even bigger guns and more training. For an hour. While children were being killed.
While these policemen sat outside and did nothing, multiple teachers gave their lives, trying to protect the children. They were unarmed and untrained.
The disgust I feel for these policemen can’t be put into words. Unwilling to deal with a single 18 year old guy, while children are dying.
I don’t think I’ve ever read about a more severe and terrible instance of cowardice than this. Every single one of those officers should go to jail. Imagine becoming a police officer and literally refusing to engage with someone killing children.
Pretty much the same sentiment after I read recent accounts on the inaction from the police. Those eunuchs deserve to be publicly shamed and have nightmares for the rest of their lives because they did not even try to stop the carnage. Such a waste of council taxes.

I often believe that the way US police officers are very poorly trained and thus do not deserve to carry firearms on the job. Unless they are trained the same way that British SFOs are trained and picked as mentally and physically fit for using firearms in high-pressure situations, they should be nowhere near a firearm.

Oh dear…

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I just found it odd that Cruz came out with that line when asked the question about why this was only happening in America? Why do they always deflect by saying the issue is being politicised?
 

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1. Ban assault guns. These are only useful in war. (Explosives are banned, bombs are banned, cannons are banned. )

2. Background checks.

3. Waiting period (1 month?).

4. License. Like a driving license.

5. Registration. Like automobile registration. With fees. Every year.

We all need cars. Why is getting a car harder than getting an assault gun?
Some other things that should be added:
  • Remove all private sale and gun show loopholes.
  • Ban people with domestic violence and violence against animal convictions from ever owning guns (two of the highest correlations for murder)
  • Remove the ability of anyone under 21 to legally purchase guns
  • Regulate bullets

Yes, I know many Europeans might say "just ban guns" and while I would vote for that myself, it's not a practical solution at the moment. It will take years to counter the glorification of guns narrative that the NRA and GOP and segments of the Dems (hello Manchin) have pushed for the last 50 years.

The other absolute tragedy that I was not even aware until reading this thread is the absolutely horrific response from the local police. If those reports are true, it merits a full FBI investigation and charges being brought against the officers in question for not only not doing their job but actively preventing parents from trying to save their kids which is sickening.
 

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You’re already in a Civil War, and you’re losing it… People literally stormed the Capitol and there’ve been barely any political consequences, and the guy whose name it was done in may very well win again in 2024.

What if you’re Neville Chamberlain?
But we’re really not though, at least in terms of a violent battle between sides. Are we headed that way in 24 if/when Trump loses again? Possibly.

I do take issue with the Chamberlain comparison. My views are not about appeasement or ignoring the issues, instead I am someone who will not pursue a path of violence as a remedy for the situation.
 

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But we’re really not though, at least in terms of a violent battle between sides. Are we headed that way in 24 if/when Trump loses again? Possibly.

I do take issue with the Chamberlain comparison. My views are not about appeasement or ignoring the issues, instead I am someone who will not pursue a path of violence as a remedy for the situation.
Quick question, how long would it have taken for the Americans to call for usage of deadly force if similar incidents were being caused by foreign organisations?
 

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Quick question, how long would it have taken for the Americans to call for usage of deadly force if similar incidents were being caused by foreign organisations?
what Is faster than immediately? Hell, if the shooter in this one had been Muslim American there would already be raids in that community.
 

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He’s the ultimate douchebag, but no way is that true
This is not real. That twat waffle gives plenty of reasons for hating him without giving him wiggle room by spreading fake tweets.
My bad. Speaks volumes about Ted Cruz that it easily could have been true. But yeah, my bad everyone. Should have checked.
 

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Haven't kept up much with this since it happened, but from my quick look around twitter it appears the narrative that's going to be pushed is it was the police's fault, obviously not the guns.
 

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My bad. Speaks volumes about Ted Cruz that it easily could have been true. But yeah, my bad everyone. Should have checked.
no worries, I took a minute to mull it over before accepting That it was probably bullshit.
 

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Serious question: Do Americans genuinely believe that their country is the freest, safest country in the world and admired around the world?
I don't think there's any countries where most people have a solid understanding of the historical, legal and practical aspects of their respective democracies. But the US does have the issue where a lot (maybe majority) of the population believes that the they have this unique Freedom™ which they see emerging from the historical conflicts they won, and which doesn't necessitate any comparison to anything else in the world.
 

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I don't think there's any countries where most people have a solid understanding of the historical, legal and practical aspects of their respective democracies. But the US does have the issue where a lot (maybe majority) of the population believes that the they have this unique Freedom™ which they see emerging from the historical conflicts they won, and which doesn't necessitate any comparison to anything else in the world.
It also comes from being completely isolated from the rest of the world. Most Americans barely know about their state, let alone the rest of their country. They certainly have no clue about the freedom a country like Denmark enjoys.
 

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The story with the mother dying from a heart attack shortly after her husband, a teacher, died, might be the saddest thing I’ve ever heard. That poor family. Those poor children. The poor relatives, friends, the whole city. How do you even begin to deal with that kind of grief and trauma?