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Jurriën Timber | Arsenal player
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Yeah, but Timber is much better on the ball. That ability matters more than ability in the air.
What did he say that is so much controversial? All you posters laughing at the notion need to watch the championship before showing your dismay. Forget about the Eredivisie the championship is the most competitive league in the world. Don’t confuse quality with competitiveness. Quality might be lower than few Dutch teams at the top but other than that it’s a cut throat league where there isn’t much gap between teams and any team can beat anyone without any shock or surprise. Forest this season were sitting at rock bottom in a 24 team league when they sacked Chris houghton and are now promoted. And quality is also not poor at all to be very honest. Championship produces some real quality players every year ready to play for big clubs. Take djed spence this year for example. I would be more confident in signing a player from Hull than Heerenveen.
Correct. And it’s more than 10-12 clubs tbh.
And correct. I can’t believe more than £40m is being talked about now. I absolutely like him but not at that price when there is such a serious flaw in him.
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Also, championship games are more fun and entertaining to watch than some of lower table games in EPL. Championship games are fast and direct.
It would be United all over again making the same mistake by giving the manager full authority on players he wants. It’s seems like we never learn, and that’s why keeping Ralf was important to build something sustainable. We shouldn’t be betting all-in with managers. I just don’t see the reason to spend any money on CBs this window while we have glaring weaknesses in the midfield, forward, fullback positions. Not to say this signing won’t turn out a success but you’re always asking for a trouble in the PL when your CB is not physically dominant.
Even Pep has said he had to adapt to the league. He needed pace and power and got Walker and tall CB's. I hope Erik doesn't try to get too cute.
I'm sure I saw an interview of Ten Hag saying that Pep made one mistake in his career and that was underestimating the physicality of the Premier League. So I'm sure Ten Hag is well aware of that.
Goes to show how bad our recruitment has been though that we’re having to sign a cb still. We should by now have a settled back line so we could of just focussed on attack and midfielder.
Timber seems opposite of what works in the league. Tall with some ability on the ball. Man City have the money to get CB's who have both height and the ball ability. I get Chelsea's Christensen vibe with Timber.
Is he shorter or poor header of the ball than Daley Blind? Blind was good as CB playing in possession based team, he was probably one of the least physical player we had after Mata and Bruno.
Also I remember reading article where they quoted ETH saying Timber has potential to move to CM position. I hope we are considering everything before making a move.
We need lot of players and going by reports, not much money to spend, so everything should be considered before making a move for player.
Also I remember reading article where they quoted ETH saying Timber has potential to move to CM position. I hope we are considering everything before making a move.
We need lot of players and going by reports, not much money to spend, so everything should be considered before making a move for player.
His Maguire-esque mistakes highlight is quite alarming. He may keep gifting chances to opponents in the PL.
Timber has highest pass completion in Dutch league with around 92%, you can create those videos for any player.
This seems to have a degree of inevitability to it.
Think we will push hard after the Nations League to complete it.
Think we will push hard after the Nations League to complete it.
If that were true we’d haven seen far more central defenders who‘re 5,9. They’re exceptionally rare and I doubt there’s any currently getting regular first team football in the premier league.
Gvardiol is excellent on the ball, a physical unit who’d not struggle in the air and a much better option to play alongside Harry, Varane or whoever.
For me if we buy Timber it’s for when we play a 3, or he’s righback or maybe holding midfielder.
The problem isn't necessarily letting the manager pick the guy he wants. The problem was doing so without any plan. United went from Moyes, to LVG, to Mourinho. What worked for LVG wouldn't necessarily work for what Mourinho wants. On the other hand, if Ten Hag followed LVG, would Ten Hag not want to play Blind? Or would he also fit Ten Hag's system?
Dias is over 6ft and a very stocky bloke. Much bigger build than Lindelof. He's also very good in the air. The opposite of Timber?
Not sure that supports your argument here.
Just coincidence then that Klopp and Pep have big lads at the back in the Prem? Not thought out that way.
Does that sound like Klopp and Pep to you?
Never mind who Pep plays at the back when they've a load of injuries. When everyone is fit he chooses two big strapping blokes who can both head the ball.
This isn't to say Klopp and Pep are always correct. But you look at what they're doing(and pretty much every manager in the league), throw in some common sense and you have an answer.
It makes no sense to have a small bloke who can't really head the ball(from what I'vw read) at CB.
And yet he weirdly only won 59.6% of his aerial duels in the league this season. 28th percentile.
Those are interesting, included Alaba because he's a similar height to Timber.
Not only this season, he never had more than 60% headers won in PL and Portuguese league, that's worse than Lindelof.
p.s: Not saying or endorsing any player before anyone comes up with "Lol comparing Lindelof and Timber with Dias"
It means what I said.
You have big problem with players showing off, then you check their instagram and post their pics here. I mean Instagram is designed for people to show off or post anything they want to, its their personal account, even old school guys like Jose was showing off his Rolex watches when he opened his account.
If players turns up like that for any event where they are supposed to dress up, then yes it's a problem. Why do people care what players wear and what they do in their free time.
And what tells you right now we have a "plan"? Because if we had a guy like Rangnick or Mitchell overseeing the recruitment/DOF side, they would have made sure that there is continuity regardless of managers.
Do I trust Murtough to do the same role better than them? No. Do I trust Murtough to have a long term plan on what we will do squad building wise with ETH, and also post ETH? No I dont. Because he doesnt have the CV like they do. Also there is a huge probability that he is a glazer stooge.
I'm thinking we will probably give ETH disproportionate power, like we did with Ole(AWB, Maguire etc), and then veto transfers in future windows when stakes get higher. And then get in a completely different kinda manager post him, like we have always done.I dont see this ending well.
We needed a proper DOF/recruitment head to help ETH. Like he had Overmars at Ajax.
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To say he's a Glazer stooge is complete nonsense. He might not have the CV of the best possible candidate for his role, but he made his own way with roles with the PL, with Everton, and then working his way up with us. No need to make stuff up, it can really just be said as it is - we are not sure how good he is. Time will tell now his decisions are rolling in.
Also any person we appoint will be Glazer stooge, whatever that means. They all will be working for owners, they won't be taking on owners. It's nice fantasy movie but in reality Glazers are the boss who appoints everyone, so they all work for owners.
He’s the only defender I know to make himself smaller when he jumps
Fair. But like you said, still major question marks over his competence, and the level of supporting structure around Ten Hag.
If the aim is to reduce the squad and work with less players, then bringing in a very talented young player who is adaptable to many positions is a plus. I would have thought anyway
SAF used to care about these things.
We are not SAF, also what he cared or how much he cared only he knew. Also SAF time was different, with barely any social media.
Did he also check on players on holidays to see what they were wearing? Or was it when they represented the club?
I care when they play for us and have just served up one of the worst seasons in living memory and seemingly don't have a care in the world.
Bailly does that too.
It reminds me a bit of that keeper City used to have, Pantillimon. He was 6”7 standing and 5”7 when he jumped.
Consider the type of football Ten Hag is going to play... Defenders over the halfway line while United is attacking.
What skill would you rather have in your central defender? Speed and the ability to defend large spaces? Or someone of 2 meters who can keep heading balls away from the box?
I'm not saying that ideally Timber would be 15 centimeters taller, but the obsession with height on this forum is absolutely crazy. Height/Aerial duels is one of a large set of skills a central defender might have. Somehow people on this forum seem to think its the most important one, where its very defendable that in Ten Hag's style of play other attributes are way more important..
Ofcourse he might lose a header or two next season if he comes to United, and that might cost a goal at one point, but it will cost a lot a lot more points if we'd play a defender who is clueless in large spaces and defending on a high line.. Add Timbers ability on the ball and you have a hell of a CB for United and Ten Hag next season..
Or are there people aiming/expecting here that we get a central defender who will be without downsides?
What skill would you rather have in your central defender? Speed and the ability to defend large spaces? Or someone of 2 meters who can keep heading balls away from the box?
I'm not saying that ideally Timber would be 15 centimeters taller, but the obsession with height on this forum is absolutely crazy. Height/Aerial duels is one of a large set of skills a central defender might have. Somehow people on this forum seem to think its the most important one, where its very defendable that in Ten Hag's style of play other attributes are way more important..
Ofcourse he might lose a header or two next season if he comes to United, and that might cost a goal at one point, but it will cost a lot a lot more points if we'd play a defender who is clueless in large spaces and defending on a high line.. Add Timbers ability on the ball and you have a hell of a CB for United and Ten Hag next season..
Or are there people aiming/expecting here that we get a central defender who will be without downsides?
My argument has nothing to do with what Pep or Klopp do, you're the one who brought that up
Not all the time & he mixes in karate kicks, random handballs and other sorts which makes him at least entertaining!
Yeh. There were stories about how SAF interfered with players life. And when he's in charge for 20+ years, i've barely seen players act like what United's done nowadays with their social media.
But you're probably right. It's a different era.
So players need to be lay in a cold dark room feeling the effects of depression just to make you feel a bit better? If this is the case then you have issues, let people live their lives, it doesn’t effect you.
Social media literally didn’t exist until the last days of Ferguson, and certainly wasn’t seen as the branding tool it now is.
Beside, David Beckham was the archetype for this stuff, and Fergie had absolutely no problem with that.
Whys he so short?
Can he play right back though?
Can he play right back though?
Could be that. Maybe we’re assuming that he’s being bought as a CH in a standard back four when in fact ETH sees him as a player that can cover a few positions (two* being problem areas) and be a ‘standard‘ CH in emergencies.
(* out of many)
If you want to see if they care then check their on field performance, not their Instagram accounts.
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