CB is as important as FW. Lack of bodies/rag dolls at the back
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Apologies for trying friendly conversation on a discussion forum.
Duly noted that you cannot handle it and I won’t bother again.
If FDJ comes to OT then United would look like a proper football team for the first time since SAF left.
He is a pure, authentic world class HM. He is what we need.
Thanks to his amazing feet, our CBs inmediately will suffer less for sure, do it ETH.
He is a pure, authentic world class HM. He is what we need.
Thanks to his amazing feet, our CBs inmediately will suffer less for sure, do it ETH.
Ha ha I was/still am a bit hung over but I've rarely heard anyone use chap in a non-condescending way so apologies if that's not how you meant it.
He is top class but still say he needs a DM
I agree. We nevertheless need a DM. Dreadful to think we are going into another season without a specialist DM.
I haven't seen Frenkie enough but I wonder if ETH would take to Fred in a much more simplified DM role just breaking up the play. His skillsets are still useful if he can be coached in that regard, and it might enable Frenkie to pick up from deep and carry.
I cant think of any DMs on the market to be honest.
I cant think of any DMs on the market to be honest.
There are definitely players on the market, Sangare seems to be the name at the moment
Strange, my wife usually looks mad when I tell her to do that. But she's not dutch so that might be why.
Fred is almost 30, he has his skillset and what he's good and bad at. His best performances for us and his role for Brazil show where we need to play him. Sign a DM...
It's good to see he has got the patter down already.
Reporter: " so frenkie boy, what happened today? "
Frenkie : " we have to look at ourselves, deep deep within ourselves, and ask that eternal question. Why?
Yeah absolutely spot on
A cat that eats a phoenix is called a Griffin.
So, let me get this straight… Your argument is that since Schone played as a partner with FDJ and Donny played in the 10 against Real, Juve and Bayern in 2018/19, Donny should be able to play 6 next to Frenkie in the PL? This despite Donny failing miserably in the PL the handful of times playing in the pivot, and not looking great when playing as a 10 in the 4-2-3-1 either?
That makes total sense. I’m in, you’ve completely eased my concerns.
So one player does that? One player makes us that proper looking football team since sir alex left?
FDJ can become our new Carrick.
So we wouldnt need a classic robust DM, this is where ETH can do his magic just like Pep does with Rodri.
Surround FDJ with AMs with great feet, keep the ball, play well like City and there is no need for a Makelele, Kante type.
So we wouldnt need a classic robust DM, this is where ETH can do his magic just like Pep does with Rodri.
Surround FDJ with AMs with great feet, keep the ball, play well like City and there is no need for a Makelele, Kante type.
I’ve thought that so many times
At some point you gotta realise, one player will never be the solution, it’s a whole mixture of things we need to get right.
Spot on,we are 3 or 4 players from being a good team,I have no idea how good DeJong is but if he's as good as people say then we've got one hell of a playerI’ve thought that so many times
At some point you gotta realise, one player will never be the solution, it’s a whole mixture of things we need to get right.
Maybe we’re 3, maybe we’re just 2, or 4, or maybe even after 5 we’re not.
That’s the thing, what we should have learned the past years that it won’t simply be a new player or a few that’ll make us great, it’ll be a mixture of tactics, coaching, confidence, belief, commitment, maybe even some luck along the way.
Well feck me we are screwed if he's ever injured. We'll go from looking like a proper football team to a shambles again
I would hope he joins before then and does a Sancho who came in for the usual club media stuff and then went on holiday having already been signed.
Need to conclude on the signing asap. Either he joins or he doesn't and we need to move on to another potential signing.
The importance of getting someone like Frenkie shouldn't be underestimated, it has the potential to have a huge knock-on effect on the rest of the team. Imagine not having Fred, McTominay or Bruno making an absolute shitfest out of pretty much every situation where they get the ball under pressure deep in our own half.
The importance of getting someone like Frenkie shouldn't be underestimated, it has the potential to have a huge knock-on effect on the rest of the team. Imagine not having Fred, McTominay or Bruno making an absolute shitfest out of pretty much every situation where they get the ball under pressure deep in our own half.
Fred is already supposed to be in his 'peak' years at 29 and is a very limited footballer anyway. He is too old to retrain and he hasnt the skillset in any case.
I dont think he needs to be retrained. Its not a foreign position to him.
Has he shown he is any good at it though so far? Thats why we play for 4th and not challenging.
No thats a 'lion rampant' from medieval heraldry. A griffin has a beak and wings.
My point is hes never really been operating under a proper permanent coach. He has the skillsets to break up play and is more tenacious in the middle than what a lot of people credit him for.
This is what I thought too. Definitely a lion.
Basically the same as the one on the royal banner of Scotland.
When are these internationals over so we can sign him?
Rodri is 6ft3 and is in the 91st percentile across Europe’s top 5 leagues for aerial duels won. He’s very much a robust DM, he’s just also very good with the ball at his feet.
That was a joke in response to the guy that said it’s a phoenix guys
There is absolutely nothing , and I mean nothing, that show that ten Hag's midfield criterias are physicality, speed, and defensive mindset.
Although, there is evidence that ten Hag likes his midfield to press, intelligent off the ball, and good in possession on the ball, which are both VDB and FDJ. Moreover, there is also evidence that ten Hag tends to force players to adapt in position that players don't normally play or position that fans don't expect it from the player (which happened at Ajax and FC Utrecht) and this has been confirmed by FC Utrecht fan on reddit who told United fans that this is one of the style of ten Hag management that he will bring to Man United.
Ideally, would be nice to have someone who can press, intelligent off the ball, good in possession on the ball, good physically, has speed, and better defensive player than VDB but we are not living in ideal world where we can sign everyone so if the budget is tight, this could be the solution for one season as the player ticks 3 key criterias of ten Hag's midfield.
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What evidence is that?There is absolutely nothing , and I mean nothing, that show that ten Hag's midfield criterias are physicality, speed, and defensive mindset.
Although, there is evidence that ten Hag likes his midfield to press, intelligent off the ball, and good in possession on the ball, which are both VDB and FDJ. Moreover, there is also evidence that ten Hag tends to force players to adapt in position that players don't normally play or position that fans don't expect it from the player (which happened at Ajax and FC Utrecht) and this has been confirmed by FC Utrecht fan on reddit who told United fans that this is one of the style of ten Hag management that he will bring to Man United.
Ideally, would be nice to have someone who can press, intelligent off the ball, good in possession on the ball, good physically, has speed, and better defensive player than VDB but we are not living in ideal world where we can sign everyone so if the budget is tight, this could be the solution for one season as the player ticks 3 key criterias of ten Hag's midfield.
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