Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

[Mainoldo]

No it is not.
We were never ready to pay what Liverpool paid so he was never given a choice of one club over the other. It never got to an advanced stage with the club - in fact we never bothered with a bid because it would have eaten into most our budget.

Yes Liverpool paid what they wanted but that doesn’t mean we never agreed a deal to bring him here. Like De Jong we was willing to only pay X amount. But this comes away from my argument of us working on more deals than one. If Liverpool didn’t come in he would still be a target.

I'm not acting like Malacia is a priority. You're making feck all sense. De Jong can be a priority but that doesn't mean we cant get simpler deals at a fraction of the price over the line in the meantime.

Bro the main point I’m making is we aren’t signing him because we don’t consider him a priority. Your stressed about nothing. I’m pretty much dead certain ETH didn’t come in and say at all cost Malacia needs to be a United player by September. He was probably in a list of about of couple of LB that depending on left over budget will be brought this summer or next summer. More than likely next.

 

[VP89]

Yes Liverpool paid what they wanted but that doesn’t mean we never agreed a deal to bring him here. Like De Jong we was willing to only pay X amount. But this comes away from my argument of us working on more deals than one. If Liverpool didn’t come in he would still be a target.

Yes it does. The player doesn't officially get to decide between two clubs until they're both showing an interest. Our interest never got to an advanced stage, we just had dialogue with his agent. Nothing more.

Bro the main point I’m making is we aren’t signing him because we don’t consider him a priority. Your stressed about nothing. I’m pretty much dead certain ETH didn’t come in and say at all cost Malacia needs to be a United player by September. He was probably in a list of about of couple of LB that depending on left over budget will be brought this summer or next summer. More than likely next.

I'm not stressed. And Malacia actually is a target, that was reported by a few credible reporters. You're basically making shit up right now.

 

[Mainoldo]

Yes it does. The player doesn't officially get to decide between two clubs until they're both showing an interest. Our interest never got to an advanced stage, we just had dialogue with his agent. Nothing more.

I'm not stressed. And Malacia actually is a target, that was reported by a few credible reporters. You're basically making shit up right now.

Was we working on a deal for Nunez whilst this De Jong saga was happening?

Are you telling me we missed out on Malacia because we are chasing De Jong and the club have missed out on a key target?

Say it with your chest too.

 

[VP89]

Was we working on a deal for Nunez whilst this De Jong saga was happening?

Do you mean were* we working on a Nunez deal?
The answer is no. You should know this. Again, stop making things up. Unless you assume dialogue with his agent = working on a deal, which is frankly bizarre.

Are you telling me we missed out on Malacia because we are chasing De Jong and the club have missed out on a key target?

Say it with your chest too.

Malacia is a target for Manchester United - that's been credibly reported.
We are wary of completing deals for other targets before completing the De Jong deal - that's already been credibly reported.

How on earth can you not insinuate from this, that we have forgone proactive progress on other deals because the De Jong deal is stuck in limbo?

 

[ForeverRed1]

Neves?

Unsure. Job for Ten Hag and the scouts to sort out.

surely FDJ is best available out there though..

If they don’t get him at this point it will cause bedlam with our fanbase.

 

[Mainoldo]

Do you mean were* we working on a Nunez deal?
The answer is no. You should know this. Again, stop making things up. Unless you assume dialogue with his agent = working on a deal, which is frankly bizarre.

Malacia is a target for Manchester United - that's been credibly reported.
We are wary of completing deals for other targets before completing the De Jong deal - that's already been credibly reported.

How on earth can you not insinuate from this, that we have forgone proactive progress on other deals because the De Jong deal is stuck in limbo?

He will cost Lyon like £15m. I’m sure if it was important we could make that deal happen. Stop being silly.

On Nunez he was our top attacking target. If you didn’t know that, well now you know and you’re welcome.

 

[Reapersoul20]

He will cost Lyon like £15m. I’m sure if it was important we could make that deal happen. Stop being silly.

On Nunez he was our top attacking target. If you didn’t know that, well now you know and you’re welcome.

Oh Christ

 

[VP89]

He will cost Lyon like £15m. I’m sure if it was important we could make that deal happen. Stop being silly.

That's my point, it was a simple deal that we didn't do, despite him being a target (as journalists have already reported).

On Nunez he was our top attacking target. If you didn’t know that, well now you know and you’re welcome.

I didn't say he wasn't a target. I said we were not working on a deal for him.

You now have two different pieces that show that we are hesitant to do any deals until De Jong is done. Congrats, "you just played yourself"

 

[Mainoldo]

That's my point, it was a simple deal that we didn't do, despite him being a target (as journalists have already reported).

We didn’t do the deal because it wasn’t a priority which is what I originally said. In the same way we didn’t try and match Liverpool’s offer.

I didn't say he wasn't a target. I said we were not working on a deal for him.

You now have two different pieces that show that we are hesitant to do any deals until De Jong is done. Congrats, "you just played yourself"

Depends what you class as working on. I would say discussions were far more advance than this link to this left back. So was this left back just a target aswell?

 

[Rolaholic]

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[Trex]

De Jong is probably the only player we would purchase who would dead certainly be a starter. We could sign Antony and have Rashford-Sancho wing duo, we could sign Eriksen and Bruno would start over him and the same for the center backs we have been linked with. This is why he is the priority and the club isn't in a rush to get other deals done because ETH knows his job is more about getting the current group going than signing players to replace them.
Forget about Rangnick rebuild idea, there's is a reason he isn't here anymore, I expect De jong, Antony and Eriksen with a back up goalie...a right back only if we can get someone to take Wan bissaka and a center back if we get rid of Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe.
I'm more interested on the work ETH get do in preseason to get this group up to speed. Over time more signings would come but ETH must get more out of the current group to get more backing, on the long run if he is successful we'll see a team purely in his image.

 

[peridigm]

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Fairly obvious. Our transfer strategy is as predictable and the tides.

 

[FCBarcelona]

Does it really matter? I'm sure Barcelona won't sign any player they can't register for la Liga.
As long as Barcelona is in the dark here, they can only play at time. They can't sign other players, and on the other hand they probably also won't sell any player before this issue hasn't been resolved or at least clarified.
This leaves other clubs like Bayern or United in the limbo, as deals can't be finalized.
That's a very messy situation, because clubs can't finalize deals.

We signed Ferran Torres or Auba in the winter market and the situation was exactly the same.
Barça can pay, which is the only thing Bayern should care about. Barça CAN finalize deals and Barça did it in the last markets.
If anything, it would be the players who should be worried about being able to be registered and play.

The FFP from LaLiga should be fixed in the next weeks (Barça got approval last week from shareholders) and get back to normal. The debt is there and it needs to be repaid but all the FFP limitations should be gone and have more maneuverability.

BTW: i need more likes so i can post more than 5 times in a day. yes, im actually begging

 

[Yagami]

We signed Ferran Torres or Auba in the winter market and the situation was exactly the same.
Barça can pay, which is the only thing Bayern should care about. Barça CAN finalize deals and Barça did it in the last markets.
If anything, it would be the players who should be worried about being able to be registered and play.

The FFP from LaLiga should be fixed in the next weeks (Barça got approval last week from shareholders) and get back to normal. The debt is there and it needs to be repaid but all the FFP limitations should be gone and have more maneuverability.

BTW: i need more likes so i can post more than 5 times in a day. yes, im actually begging

You have to say something nice about United and then maybe the mods will have mercy

 

[Canucantona20]

De Jong is probably the only player we would purchase who would dead certainly be a starter. We could sign Antony and have Rashford-Sancho wing duo, we could sign Eriksen and Bruno would start over him and the same for the center backs we have been linked with. This is why he is the priority and the club isn't in a rush to get other deals done because ETH knows his job is more about getting the current group going than signing players to replace them.
Forget about Rangnick rebuild idea, there's is a reason he isn't here anymore, I expect De jong, Antony and Eriksen with a back up goalie...a right back only if we can get someone to take Wan bissaka and a center back if we get rid of Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe.
I'm more interested on the work ETH get do in preseason to get this group up to speed. Over time more signings would come but ETH must get more out of the current group to get more backing, on the long run if he is successful we'll see a team purely in his image.

Antony would start over Rashford

 

[UnitedFire]

De Jong is probably the only player we would purchase who would dead certainly be a starter. We could sign Antony and have Rashford-Sancho wing duo, we could sign Eriksen and Bruno would start over him and the same for the center backs we have been linked with. This is why he is the priority and the club isn't in a rush to get other deals done because ETH knows his job is more about getting the current group going than signing players to replace them.
Forget about Rangnick rebuild idea, there's is a reason he isn't here anymore, I expect De jong, Antony and Eriksen with a back up goalie...a right back only if we can get someone to take Wan bissaka and a center back if we get rid of Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe.
I'm more interested on the work ETH get do in preseason to get this group up to speed. Over time more signings would come but ETH must get more out of the current group to get more backing, on the long run if he is successful we'll see a team purely in his image.

A new centre back would have to start to ETH's system to work, or Bailly would need to play pretty much every game

 

[VP89]

We didn’t do the deal because it wasn’t a priority which is what I originally said. In the same way we didn’t try and match Liverpool’s offer.

So we were not working on a deal for Nunez. So stop making things up, trying to say that we were.

Depends what you class as working on. I would say discussions were far more advance than this link to this left back. So was this left back just a target aswell?

There was nothing advanced for Nunez. All we did was open dialogues with his agent. That doesn't mean anything - we do this with many players. We never bothered to pursue any deal with Nunez nor Malacia despite them being established targets for the club.
Tier One journalists have also confirmed that we don't want to pursue other targets before De Jong is done.

So it is more than evident that we are not negotiating multiple deals at once. We cannot enter advanced negotiations with any player until De Jong is agreed.

 

[SATA]

The longer it drags, the more Barca will cave in. I’m perfectly happy for the club to buy him on our terms because it’s blatantly obvious to the entire world that they have to sell

 

[ehsanul]

The longer it drags, the more Barca will cave in. I’m perfectly happy for the club to buy him on our terms because it’s blatantly obvious to the entire world that they have to sell

I can't see any benefits as now we have to pay extra for Ajax players,because now they are loaded with cash.

 

[Trex]

Antony would start over Rashford

Probably that's not guaranteed, Rashford top level is beyond anything Antony has produced so far

A new centre back would have to start to ETH's system to work, or Bailly would need to play pretty much every game

If that was the case we'll probably go for De ligt, there's a reason Timber backtracked because he wasn't guaranteed anything.

 

[Mainoldo]

So we were not working on a deal for Nunez. So stop making things up, trying to say that we were.

I’m not making anything up. I said he was our main target and we was negotiating his deal. Not sitting back waiting for the DeJong deal to get sorted. Check the Nunez thread there’s enough material in there.

There was nothing advanced for Nunez. All we did was open dialogues with his agent. That doesn't mean anything - we do this with many players. We never bothered to pursue any deal with Nunez nor Malacia despite them being established targets for the club.
Tier One journalists have also confirmed that we don't want to pursue other targets before De Jong is done.

So it is more than evident that we are not negotiating multiple deals at once. We cannot enter advanced negotiations with any player until De Jong is agreed.

This is because he have priorities g. De Jong’s value and position in your list means we do not want to commit larger sums elsewhere until this deal is sorted. This will be because we are working within a budget range and how we negotiate other deals will be more clear once we know our remaining balance. Nunez being a top priority didn’t halt this process.

Conveniently we made it known how much we was generating towards De Jong once leaks of Nunez to Liverpool rumours grew. But you let the PR play you.

 

[VP89]

I’m not making anything up. I said he was our main target and we was negotiating his deal. Not sitting back waiting for the DeJong deal to get sorted. Check the Nunez thread there’s enough material in there.

We were never negotiating a deal for Nunez. We were just speaking about his availability with his agent.
We learned of the appetite from Liverpool and never bothered to match.
You are outright making things up by saying (multiple times) that we were working on any deal.

This is because he have priorities g. De Jong’s value and position in your list means we do not want to commit larger sums elsewhere until this deal is sorted. This will be because we are working within a budget range and how we negotiate other deals will be more clear once we know our remaining balance. Nunez being a top priority didn’t halt this process.

Conveniently we made it known how much we was generating towards De Jong once leaks of Nunez to Liverpool rumours grew. But you let the PR play you.

Thats my point. We cant work other deals with De Jong. So we are actually not having an efficient approach to the window.

I dont know what the feck PR has to do with it. I am going by what is currently happening.

 

[Red Company]

De Jong is probably the only player we would purchase who would dead certainly be a starter. We could sign Antony and have Rashford-Sancho wing duo, we could sign Eriksen and Bruno would start over him and the same for the center backs we have been linked with. This is why he is the priority and the club isn't in a rush to get other deals done because ETH knows his job is more about getting the current group going than signing players to replace them.
Forget about Rangnick rebuild idea, there's is a reason he isn't here anymore, I expect De jong, Antony and Eriksen with a back up goalie...a right back only if we can get someone to take Wan bissaka and a center back if we get rid of Jones, Bailly and Tuanzebe.
I'm more interested on the work ETH get do in preseason to get this group up to speed. Over time more signings would come but ETH must get more out of the current group to get more backing, on the long run if he is successful we'll see a team purely in his image.

This. Spot on.

 

[bond19821982]

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If he is that desperate, just pay up and make an exception on other signings. It will be a disaster not to make this happen now. Chelsea could still come in and try him (yeah making it out of imagination but it's a possibility with their new owners)

 

[izec]

His only option now seems to be us, unless someone comes out of the blue.

 

[B. Munich]

We signed Ferran Torres or Auba in the winter market and the situation was exactly the same.
Barça can pay, which is the only thing Bayern should care about. Barça CAN finalize deals and Barça did it in the last markets.
If anything, it would be the players who should be worried about being able to be registered and play.

You misunderstood my point. I'm not saying Barcelona doesn't have the money. I believe Barcelona doesn't want to close a deal before they are sure they will be also able to register and field the newly signed players. Especially if the player like Lewandowski is already 34 years old. Paying 50 million Euro and a high salary bit then can't register the player would be a disaster.

That's actually also the reason why Barcelona is playing hardball with the fee for FdJ. They just don't want to sell the player before they are sure they can replace him with Bernardo Silva AND also register the latter.

 

[Relevated]

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We're only so far down the line on our own head. Otherwise, there is no agreement on a fee.

 

[SirReginald]

If he is that desperate, just pay up and make an exception on other signings. It will be a disaster not to make this happen now. Chelsea could still come in and try him (yeah making it out of imagination but it's a possibility with their new owners)

Desperate to sign a player who isn’t entirely enamored about leaving Barcelona or joining you. Much like Dembele who is trying to stay at the club. This won’t end well whatever happens.

 

[bond19821982]

Desperate to sign a player who isn’t entirely enamored about leaving Barcelona or joining you. Much like Dembele who is trying to stay at the club. This won’t end well whatever happens.

The delay isn't about convincing the player but it's about agreeing a fee. If we had offered what Barca is asking , FDJ would be a United player by now( Whether he wants or not)

 

[UnitedSofa]

The delay isn't about convincing the player but it's about agreeing a fee. If we had offered what Barca is asking , FDJ would be a United player by now( Whether he wants or not)

But then the CAF would complain that we’re incompetent by just paying what they want and getting fleeced!

 

[El-Manos]

In’ll ring Barca tomorrow there now pretend to do be Tzazikizkizkxpsos from city and put in a £70m b

 

[Rolaholic]

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[Ayoba]

Economic lever. Nice.

 

[elmo]

The delay isn't about convincing the player but it's about agreeing a fee. If we had offered what Barca is asking , FDJ would be a United player by now( Whether he wants or not)

That's not how contracts work.

 

[Bojan Djordjic]

But then the CAF would complain that we’re incompetent by just paying what they want and getting fleeced!

Rightly so. We have leverage for once and we should use it. Only a few days until the end of June so we’re in a stronger negotiating position than Barca. I am puzzled why we’re not trying to ring-fence a maximum amount for Frenkie (even if it’s Barca’s asking price) and work around with what’s left.

All very well saying that fdj is our main priority but other potential targets are being snapped up by more organised clubs while we seal the deal on Frenkie.

 

[SalfordRed18]

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That's one way of putting it

 

[Aeryis]

You don’t understand. If we sign him now he then has two weeks in Vegas as a United player learning his role (lol), but if we sign him in ten days we’ll have wasted… ten days of him spending time in Vegas.

The issue isn't De Jong, but the 5 other signings we need to fill the holes in our squad. And apparently those signings won't be worked on until we sign De Jong.

 

[MIC_FIN]

I have no Spanish friends now. Didn't have any in the first place. Guess I'll just have to sponsor a donkey instead.

 

[Pearl.Jam]

In’ll ring Barca tomorrow there now pretend to do be Tzazikizkizkxpsos from city and put in a £70m b

I’ve read this about 11 times now and nope, still no clue

 

[UnitedSofa]

I’ve read this about 11 times now and nope, still no clue

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