Can Conte win a title for Spurs?

[Telsim]

City are winning the league, no doubt about it. As for Spurs, it depends how long before they get knocked out of the CL. But I think they have a good shot at finishing 3rd or even 2nd. Plus a cup. They look strong and Conte is a top draw manager. Getting him was a coup.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

After signing 3 players considered 'World Class' last Summer, I feel United, including Ole, drowned under the pressure of being expected to title challenge.

I know Spurs summer so far is incomparable to signing Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo.. But the way that they're going they're going to have to either live up to the expectations next season, or drown.

 

[adexkola]

No, why would anyone do that?

Then what's the point of this thread?

I don't think anyone thinks it's impossible that Spurs wins the title this season. It's just... improbable.

 

[GoonerBear]

No messing around with Spurs this season, got some good players in and aren't using the excuse of every fan in the league when they say "We'll just wait for Klopp and Pep to go first before we try to win the league". They are stepping up to the challenge and fair play to them.

Still think they miss a number 10 and a top quality centre-back to win the league but they are getting much closer

Have they actually came out and said their target is to win the league, or are they actually just trying their best to cement top 4 which you would imagine Levy would be ok with even if Conte isn't?

 

[Powderfinger]

Conte is a top manager without a doubt but he has never overcome a significantly more talented team to win any of his leagues. That's not a knock on him, its just very rare for that to happen in football. Neither Pep nor Mourinho nor Klopp have ever really done it either.

The current incarnations of City and Liverpool are far more talented than any team Conte has ever gone up against. It is a really big hill to climb. And he's going to climb it in most matches with a four across the middle of a 33-year-old Perisic on the left, a central midfield pairing with almost no ball playing ability or final third contribution, and Matt Doherty on the right.

Crazy things can happen in football. City and Liverpool could both have massive injury crises. Or maybe all of their 30+ players fall off a cliff together. Or maybe one of those things happens to a small degree plus Spurs gets every single bounce their way their entire season. So you can't rule it out and that itself is an achievement, especially given what Spurs looked like under Nuno. But you also need to look at that team with open eyes. They are less talented than any of Conte's other title winners (except perhaps his first Juve team) going up against the two most talented teams he has ever faced.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

If Spurs were located in a different league I'd say maybe.

Spurs cannot win the PL. City win the PL until Newcastle build up to that level imo.

 

[Rozay]

Then what's the point of this thread?

I don't think anyone thinks it's impossible that Spurs wins the title this season. It's just... improbable.

There is a lot in between a Leicester City and a ‘nobody can win the league except Liverpool and City’.

I haven’t called Spurs favourites for the title, I have called them contenders for the title, which some can’t seem to fathom.

 

[Dave Smith]

If it was anyone but Spurs he was managing I’d have him as an outside favourite. Conte is a domestic freak, man. Sign him the geriatric players he wants or the weird system players (although his signings this summer seem more conventional) and he delivers.

He might finish dead last in a CL group or embarrass in a cup tie, but the league is his bread and butter.

Isn’t Conte the last manager not named Pep or Klopp to win the PL?

I think the players he has signed, have partly been due to circumstance and the board he has worked under. This Summer I think is the first, apart from his first few at Juve, were he has had principal say and it is looking far more reasonable.

However, I am with you in regard to the title chances. Yes, would be the answer if you just weren't saying to yourself 'Lads'.

 

[::sonny::]

He surely can, one of the best manager in the last 30 yrs

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

With how they finished the season, with the signings they made and the capability of the manager particularly in a one off season,i think they could do it. They probably have the best forwards in the league and Conte sets up his teams very well. I think Perisic is a huge signing, if he plays left wing back and plays like he can. Bissouma will add a lot of quality in midfield too. It will be interesting to see. City could easily run away with it after buying Haaland though.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

People underestimate how good Son and Kane are. People expecting Haaland to score more, but it is far from certain.

The Spurs attack is pure world class right now.

City squad is actually quite sensitive to injuries as well. Would not shock me at all if Spurs win this.

The players that can give an edge I think over Spurs is KDB and Cancelo, but KDB can get injured again. That kind of quality Spurs lack.
The front 3 is better for Spurs in my opinion. Def mid is no big difference.

There are different systems though.

 

[Ayoba]

Better chance than us for sure.

 

[m1tch]

I do wonder if their transfer activity is in preparation for selling Kane. They made all their signings before selling Bale that summer.

If Kane does leave then they're not going to improve on 4th.

 

[erikcred]

There is a lot in between a Leicester City and a ‘nobody can win the league except Liverpool and City’.

I haven’t called Spurs favourites for the title, I have called them contenders for the title, which some can’t seem to fathom.

Depends on what you mean by "contenders".

Do you mean that Spurs will lead the table at some point in Oct/Nov or do you mean something more like they'll be within 6 points of the league leaders with 6 games to go?

I'm sure we'll all grant you that the first is a distinct possibility. The second is what many are sceptical about.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

I do wonder if their transfer activity is in preparation for selling Kane. They made all their signings before selling Bale that summer.

If Kane does leave then they're not going to improve on 4th.

Where would Kane go? I see no big club going for him except us. City got Haaland. PSG got Messi, Mbappe, Neymar. Barca no way.
Real maybe, but Benzema still got some more years.

Bayern they got Mane and I doubt they spend big on Kane. Juve got Vlahovic. Inter got Lukaku.

I do not think he would join Chelsea.

 

[Rajiztar]

I do wonder if their transfer activity is in preparation for selling Kane. They made all their signings before selling Bale that summer.

If Kane does leave then they're not going to improve on 4th.

Why should Kane leave spurs now. Coach who did his best to bring better output from him and his team mates.

Adding players to strengthen their squad. It's stupid move for him if he leave them now.

 

[RedBanker]

Conte is the 3rd best manager in the PL atm. But winning the league may be a bridge too far. If he gets in 2-3 top class players esp defenders, then maybe it will be interesting.

 

[Hansi Fick]

No. Not even a Carabao Cup. Conte is a winner but Spurs are not. It's the history of the Tottenham.

 

[Mcking]

They'd have to beat City twice to have a chance of winning.

 

[balaks]

They'd have to beat City twice to have a chance of winning.

We did that last season

 

[roonster09]

We did that last season

Did you have chance to win league?

 

[balaks]

No. Not even a Carabao Cup. Conte is a winner but Spurs are not. It's the history of the Tottenham.

I don't get this argument at all.

 

[balaks]

Did you have chance to win league?

No but it proves we can beat City home and away in the league. He said we would need to do it so I provided him with evidence that we are capable of doing it.

 

[RedBanker]

I don't get this argument at all.

Even I don't.

 

[roonster09]

No but it proves we can beat City home and away in the league. He said we would need to do it so I provided him with evidence that we are capable of doing it.

ManUtd also did it couple of seasons ago, beating them home and away. We didn't get near league title either.

Liverpool didn't beat a single top 4 team last season and they were just point behind City.

I know you didn't make the point, you need insane consistency to win the league.

 

[africanspur]

I don't get this argument at all.

Its inane and poorly thought out football 'banter'.

Can? Sure.

Likely to? No. We're currently distant 3rd favourites imo. I can forsee 2nd if we have a great season and one of the top 2 have a few injuries/ fall off but unlikely that it will happen with both of them.

If he can win a trophy, change the culture of the club further and push more than we have done for a few seasons though, will be happy.

 

[balaks]

ManUtd also did it couple of seasons ago, beating them home and away. We didn't get near league title either.

Liverpool didn't beat a single top 4 team last season and they were just point behind City.

I know you didn't make the point, you need insane consistency to win the league.

Yeah I agree

 

[Mcking]

We did that last season

Yeah, I know. Spurs do have some very good players, and Conte is a manager who definitely knows what he is doing, and Spurs so far do look like they have his back in the transfer market.

I expect plenty of improvement from Spurs in terms of winning the winnable games this season, but the way Man City has been going in the last few seasons though, unless there is a serious decline in their ability to beat the medium and lower quality teams in the league, then I think it would be very difficult for Spurs to get close because I could see them slipping up more.

One way to definitely get closer though regardless of what Man City do against the smaller teams is to beat them twice like last season. That's a 12-point swing, so it is very possible, and I won't be surprised to see Conte and Spurs win it. He is quality, and Kane, Son and Lloris are capable of winning you plenty of games.

 

[KikiDaKats]

I don’t really know where I am at on this one. I’ve always rated Pep higher than all present managers league competitions. Klopp I’m not a big fan for various reasons, don’t think his team is as good as they make it out to be.
This I think makes Pep his target, knowing whoever finishes ahead of him wins the league. If there’s anyone other than klopp that can chart it, I’d say it’s Conte. He is a brilliant coach and one would like to think he is assembling a team he believes in.
We will all get a better picture of the improvements across the league after 10 games.
I still back him though to push for the league this season.

 

[Red00012]

Lads it’s Spurs

 

[UnitedFire]

Then what's the point of this thread?

I don't think anyone thinks it's impossible that Spurs wins the title this season. It's just... improbable.

I guess if City had a pandemic of injuries and Liverpool and Chelsea then yeah sure it is possible.

 

[Hansi Fick]

I don't get this argument at all.

It's not an argument. It's a prognosis.
And it doesn't mean you're not going to have a good and successful time under Conte.

 

[africanspur]

It's not an argument. It's a prognosis.
And it doesn't mean you're not going to have a good and successful time under Conte.

But what does that actually mean?

We're obviously not Bayern or Real Madrid but are the 6th most successful club in England historically, having been overtaken in the past few years by Chelsea and Man City, for obvious reasons.

 

[redcorner]

Maybe not the title but i doubt they will ever be out of Top 4 during his reign

 

[Mcking]

ManUtd also did it couple of seasons ago, beating them home and away. We didn't get near league title either.

Liverpool didn't beat a single top 4 team last season and they were just point behind City.

I know you didn't make the point, you need insane consistency to win the league.

Point is that one of Man City's strength is their consistency in beating the teams lower down the table, they rarely slip up. Though I haven't looked at results I think Liverpool are the only team that has come close to being as consistent, but where they fall short against City is the head-to-head.

Man City have proven that they are going to smash the likes of Southampton and Brentford most games regardless of who is the manager of the other big teams or the players they do sign. So even if you get close to them in terms of that consistency against the lower teams, you need to beat them in the head-to-head to have a chance of finishing above, unless Man City slip up more against the lower teams which I doubt will be happening.

We beat them in that season we finished 2nd, but remember our record being underwhelming in the games we were expected to win. We'd have been much closer.

 

[roonster09]

Point is that one of Man City's strength is their consistency in beating the teams lower down the table, they rarely slip up. Though I haven't looked at results I think Liverpool are the only team that has come close to being as consistent, but where they fall short against City is the head-to-head.

Man City have proven that they are going to smash the likes of Southampton and Brentford most games regardless of who is the manager of the other big teams or the players they do sign. So even if you get close to them in terms of that consistency against the lower teams, you need to beat them in the head-to-head to have a chance of finishing above, unless Man City slip up more against the lower teams which I doubt will be happening.

We beat them in that season we finished 2nd, but remember our record being underwhelming in the games we were expected to win. We'd have been much closer.

You need consistency to win league, winning just big games or head to head is not enough.

 

[Escobar]

No, will be City snd Pool. But they vlose the gap imo

 

[Rojofiam]

After signing 3 players considered 'World Class' last Summer, I feel United, including Ole, drowned under the pressure of being expected to title challenge.

I know Spurs summer so far is incomparable to signing Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo.. But the way that they're going they're going to have to either live up to the expectations next season, or drown.

I think we drowned under the pressure of letting Ronaldo go to City so we basically undermined our whole season and it resulted in getting Ole sacked, and going to 58 pts from 74 the season before. Had we signed a DM instead of Ronaldo we probably would've finished third again and would be ready to mount a serious title challenge this season.

Also, I'm pretty sure that there's 0 pressure on Spurs to challenge for the title, they could sign 3 world class player tomorrow and they still wouldn't be expected to win the PL or even put up 90 points.

 

[Mcking]

You need consistency to win league, winning just big games or head to head is not enough.

I didn't say otherwise, but it gives you a better chance against a team dominating the league.

 

[Pretzels81]

They have a better shot at winning the UCL than either the PL or the FA. Especially if Kane regains a Top Top Player status.