Furious George
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Agree, can't see us making that kind of move with so many holes to fill. Could see Lukaku coming back, with Sturridge back-filling until we can get some real quality in. Would look to see what we go for in midfield/CB (probably Milner, Duffy, something like that) and then take a swing at Haaland next year.I just don't see how it makes sense to spend so much (say 65M of our 200M) on Nunez in terms of next season, when we have a striker who will score goals, and have massive holes everywhere else but the spots Sancho, Bruno and probably Varane and De Gea play. It might make sense to get a hungry, powerful, fast striker in for 65M, but that should be possible next summer unless we think the market is going to get worse (I have no idea on this one, but it certainly has been for strikers). I'd rather we take a punt on a young 9 who can be the backup this year and then either start or be backup again next year when we make a big signing, and bring in 2 deep midfielders, a RB and an LCB.
It's not about lumping them together, I'm saying neither are good enough to be starting for us because they aren't, he starts for Brazil because Casemiro plays in Fabinho's role so he's the #8, and international football isn't nessicarily a barometer of quality when you look at some international regulars over the years for various big nations.I hate how Fred gets lumped in here when he's actually a good player and far from being a problem for us. Starter for Brazil too who have much better midfielders than we do. He's very different to McTominay... And he shows it regularly too.
Yeah, I think it's a case of prioritizing as there's so much to do, the second, cheaper and easier to sign midfielder will be focused on after De Jong, Timger and a foward are sorted out one way or another.It also seems possible to me that Ten Hag has suggested some cheaper midfielders like the ones above and the club is scrambling to scout them, or that he's taking time to sort through the club's targets.
Do you reckon we will still be in another one IF we can pull off this dream midfield signingYeah, I think it's a case of prioritizing as there's so much to do, the second, cheaper and easier to sign midfielder will be focused on after De Jong, Timger and a foward are sorted out one way or another.
Bissouma for obvious reasons.. noCant see all the deals happening, but the strongest links for a fair while seem to be to Timber, DeJOng and Nunez.
If we have a £200m or so budget and were to sign all three, thats sure £160/170m spent.
That would have to be all bar £35m of a budget I would think being generous maybe even and still no reliable right back, only a championship loaned defensive midfielder and either Sancho switched where he hasnt performed, Elanga or a host of youngsters as right wing options.
What would people do with the last £35m considering those problems if our three possible main targets come?
I have seen a fair few people content with Dalot as a starter and content with one of McFred alongside DeJong but not many happy with the right wing options.
Personally, wouldnt say happy but I feel the opposite. I feel we would have to give a season to the right wing options of even possibility of ROnaldo playing there at times, but another midfielder and a right back would be a priority and £35m doesnt get much at all.
Still feel especially free, Kamara was someone we should have been interested, Enzo Fernandez know little of bar youtube, but there is obvious talent (though isnt he maybe a DeJOng alternative rather than a defensive midfielder?), but that release clause certainyk makes him viable.
I knwo there is talk unresolveed accusations hanging over him but Bissouma seems liek he should be a target to me.
There are still cheaper alternatives though I feel Kone was maybe a Rangnick target and that may be dead. I watch French football but havent seen Lens but surprising to only see Palace linked with Doucoure there as he appears to have had a big season.......either way,w e definately needs another midfield reinforcement and that leaves next to nothing for a right back, I really fear we are not going to sign one at all which would be a big mistake
So you think we can solve the non-striker holes with the budget left over after buying Nunez?Agree, can't see us making that kind of move with so many holes to fill. Could see Lukaku coming back, with Sturridge back-filling until we can get some real quality in. Would look to see what we go for in midfield/CB (probably Milner, Duffy, something like that) and then take a swing at Haaland next year.
Can understand the Bissouma sentiment but Greenwood is hardly the first player with allegations against him, our player of the season has had them and several other before have hardly covered themselves well as human beings off of the field.Bissouma for obvious reasons.. no
i could see a midfield of FDJ - Fred - VDB working well
Bruno perhaps a hybrid 10/RWF
Ronaldo/Nunez, perhaps with Ronaldo as the LWF
I think people forget VDB is coming back under ETH and will probably play because he understands the system better than anyone
Not too worried about a natural tackler not being in there as long as the 3 put the work in and cover the spaces when defending. Kinda how it worked at Ajax.Can understand the Bissouma sentiment but Greenwood is hardly the first player with allegations against him, our player of the season has had them and several other before have hardly covered themselves well as human beings off of the field.
I get the sentiments on VDB, he should certainly improve and get more opportunities under Ten Hag, but this is the premiership, not the Dutch league.
Each to there own, but a midfield three with nobody that can tackle or is intelligent defensively is a recipie for disaster for me, especially with a striker who isnt good at holdign the ball up from what I have seen so could lose possesion regularly with a 38 year old on the left and a wasteful Fenandes on the right who has not looked too impressiive there. Looks a good side in possesion maybe, without it, a disaster waiting to happen in my head anyway
Who plays right wing?I just don't see how it makes sense to spend so much (say 65M of our 200M) on Nunez in terms of next season, when we have a striker who will score goals, and have massive holes everywhere else but the spots Sancho, Bruno and probably Varane and De Gea play. It might make sense to get a hungry, powerful, fast striker in for 65M, but that should be possible next summer unless we think the market is going to get worse (I have no idea on this one, but it certainly has been for strikers). I'd rather we take a punt on a young 9 who can be the backup this year and then either start or be backup again next year when we make a big signing, and bring in 2 deep midfielders, a RB and an LCB.
Bruno narrow on one side, Sancho wide on the other and VDB as the 10 behind Cristiano. Width on the Bruno side would have to come from whoever is our best fullback going forward. Not a pacy front 4, but the plan is to have the ball anyways and press high I assume with Ten Hag coming in.Who plays right wing?
Fair enough. Bruno's main problem is receiving the ball with his back to goal though and I could see him getting dispossessed a lot by full backs.Bruno narrow on one side, Sancho wide on the other and VDB as the 10 behind Cristiano. Width on the Bruno side would have to come from whoever is our best fullback going forward. Not a pacy front 4, but the plan is to have the ball anyways and press high I assume with Ten Hag coming in.
No he doesn't. West Ham have a 1 year option on him.You good with De Jong is he can play as DCM. If Fred and Garner are not up to top level in that role.
Next season 22/23:
Eriksen/DVB/Bruno - Fred/Garner/De Jong - Bruno/De Jong/DVB
I think with De Jong, Fred and Garner as DCM. Are good enough for top 4 and champion league football.
If not. Then next summer transfer 2023. Declan Rice has one year left in his contract to 2024. And his transfer fee will get lower. Then United can go for Rice in that role. Balance deep laying cm player. Both to dictate from that area and to shield the back 4 and defend. Then you move up De Jong up in a more offensive cm player role which is LCM role, the Iniesta role for earilier Barca.
Season 23/24:
Bruno - Rice/Garner/Fred - De Jong
A 3 men cm midfield of Bruno - Rice - De Jong is really strong both defensive and offensive. Bruno and Jong more offensive and attacking role. Like Rice doing a job like Rodri for City. This capable of 3-5 goals a season.
First get De Jong this summer. To both solve DCM and the offensive creative cm role. To get top 4 and highest as possible. Then season 23/34 get Rice to free De Jong more to offensive attacking role. Because De Jong has like De Bruyne attacking and creative skills that is really needed up in the attack. Not only lay and hold it back a bit as a DCM player.
We also need a CF if Ronaldo leavesWould say at the start of this window we needed to sign 5 players for the first XI
RB
LCB
DM
CM
RW
If everything go as expected then we have addressed LCB (Martinez) CM (De Jong) and maybe RW (Antony) however still leaves us with the other 2 issues as well. I just worry about the lack of links to any players in these positions.
Oh yeah since Ronaldo dropped that bombshell it has now gone up to SIX for first XIWe also need a CF if Ronaldo leaves
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In an ideal world but football isn’t an ideal world and history should teach you thatStill not addressed any of RB, LCB, DM, CM, RW and ST before the tour. To say this is becoming unbelievable tiring would be an understatement.
We need absolute minimum of 3 which for me would be RB/RW, CM & ST, that leaves LCB, either RB/RW & DM for next windows.
End of the window signings should only ever be squad depth, NOT key first XI ones who need time to bed into team.
Won't be Dybala & AntonyWe are going into a new season with full stadiums and a new 9 Substitutes rule on the bench and 5 in game subs, this is a huge deal in the pl where games will be much tighter than other leagues, so for the first season in 4 years are options currently in Attacking midfield and Striker options are seriously underwhelming. IF ETH plays 4-1-2-3 or even a 4-2-1-3 than we need 4 or 5 starting options and 5 options from the bench, the other 4 are obvious a GK, CB, utility Defender and CDM. Ok currently as we are I see the starting team being ;
D De Gea, D Dalot, R Varane, H Maguire, L Shaw, S Mctominay, C Eriksen, B Fernandes, Sancho, Ronaldo, Rashford
Subs; T Heaton, V Lindelof, T Malicia, Fred, , DVB, A Elanga, A Martial, A Dialo, A Ganaucho with the caveat that Ronaldo could easily be gone and Martial start with BrIan Brobbey on bench so what do we still need July 2022? In short a bloody miracle but It’s clearly obvious, A RB, CB, CDM, BTB MF, CFW, RW(left footer) bare minimum.
Good window from Here; FDJ, P Tores or L Martinez, P Dyballa, Antony, Patrik Shick (IF Ronaldo Goes)
We don't seem able to sell any of themNeed to get the Eriksen and Martinez deals done asap, while waiting for FDJ saga to end positively. Then, go all in on Antony, but not if Ajax insists on the 80m euros. Maybe with some outgoings (Telles, Williams, AWB, Bailly, Tuanzebe, Jones, CR7) we could fund a RB and ST as late transfers.