And add to that that coming season he will get a loyalty bonus of 15 mil euro’s as well
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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There is no way Barca want to keep FDJ at the club given what his contract and deferred payments are going to cost them. At the same time,no way should we be bailing them out of their own mess by offering to 'meet half way' or worse still cough up the lost wages.
FDJ is perfectly within his rights to ask for his deferred salary (and remember this is basic salary not bonuses) and surely Uefa or the Spanish FA should block all barca signings until they have cleared their contractual obligations to their players.
FDJ is perfectly within his rights to ask for his deferred salary (and remember this is basic salary not bonuses) and surely Uefa or the Spanish FA should block all barca signings until they have cleared their contractual obligations to their players.
Are they really? The longer this goes I'm more and more thinking Barcelona are in pretty good position.
They are very adamant on FdJ taking a pay cut. How can the be so sure about it?
Only in the case they know that FdJ will lose his claim on the deferred wages of 17 million Euro, if he moves to another club. His agent most likely f***ed big time here and Barcelona taking full advantage of this mistake.
This looks cnutish but on the other hand every big company would act the same, if the other side made such a mistake. Actually the share holders could hold the board liable, if they didn't and Barcelona lost money.
Knowing the players prefers to stay anyway, Barcelona offers him to take a significant wage cut. Surely FdJ doesn't want to as stated in many tweets. But if the wage cut is somewhere between, let's say, 10 and 15 million Euro, he can stay at his preferred club and at least get 7 to 2 million Euro of his outstanding deferred wages.
Because if he joined United, he would lose all 17 million Euro and had to play at club he likes to play for less.
Thus Barcelona isn't in bad position at all here.
Why would De Jong take a cut to do something he has power to do anyway and with 17m in his pocket?
This is such a strange situation for all parties involved. From Barcelona, they need to raise/clear money for their new signings, and they need to find a way to reduce/get rid of FDJ’s wages. As it stands right now they can’t really keep him in present circumstances.
From FDJ, he did what he perceived as a good and necessary thing in deferring his wages, and now he’s owed an absolute fortune which he quite rightly has to get. In terms of playing situation regardless of what Barcelona say if he is adamant he isn’t leaving his money on the table, they aren’t going to banish him to the reserves or anything like that because they need players of his quality. However it will be a less than ideal situation in other ways I suppose. Of all the parties he is probably in the best position in that he either gets his owed money in some form or fashion and gets his transfer, or continues on his same wage at his dream club.
For United, we quite rightly should not pay the money that Barcelona owes him. That would be essentially us having paid him to play for them which is obscene. On the other hand, we are coming off our worst season in a long time, morale is at an all time low, confidence in the club hierarchy is at an all time low with protests and house invasions all possible. This has been our high profile saga of the summer, and so for this to end in failure would (quite rightly) aggravate an already (quite rightly) upset fanbase.
I have never seen a situation like this in my years of football. I wonder how this is going to end for all parties.
From FDJ, he did what he perceived as a good and necessary thing in deferring his wages, and now he’s owed an absolute fortune which he quite rightly has to get. In terms of playing situation regardless of what Barcelona say if he is adamant he isn’t leaving his money on the table, they aren’t going to banish him to the reserves or anything like that because they need players of his quality. However it will be a less than ideal situation in other ways I suppose. Of all the parties he is probably in the best position in that he either gets his owed money in some form or fashion and gets his transfer, or continues on his same wage at his dream club.
For United, we quite rightly should not pay the money that Barcelona owes him. That would be essentially us having paid him to play for them which is obscene. On the other hand, we are coming off our worst season in a long time, morale is at an all time low, confidence in the club hierarchy is at an all time low with protests and house invasions all possible. This has been our high profile saga of the summer, and so for this to end in failure would (quite rightly) aggravate an already (quite rightly) upset fanbase.
I have never seen a situation like this in my years of football. I wonder how this is going to end for all parties.
Him joining a new club won't stop Barcelona from having to pay the €17m. He's owed that money regardless of where he plays.
Joining Utd for his full salary with no deferment as well as a guaranteed €17m he's to be paid eventually by Barca is a much better financial option that taking a 40-50% wage cut on the current salary as well as a waiver on what he's owed.
That's exactly the point we are trying to make. Of course there was interest but because the player came out early publicly saying he only wants to move to Bayern (or VVD to Liverpool, Lewandowski to Barcelona), other clubs put their interest to rest. At least until Bayern either sealed the deal or walked away.
You would think so. However, the way Barcelona acts and their confidence, I'm pretty sure his agent f***ed up and FdJ will lose his claim on the deferred wages, if moves this summer.
Did De Jong sign a contract that meant less money in the first few years then more money later on.
Or was it the same wage all through but he would be owed some of his wages in the earlier years because those are different things.
Or was it the same wage all through but he would be owed some of his wages in the earlier years because those are different things.
He’s refusing to leave because he’s negotiating a pay settlement on deferred money owed to get him to leave. It’s fairly obvious.
This is Barca's mess not ours, and surely this is the point in having a Plan B.
Or he could do nothing and get all 17. He's under no obligation to accept anything and if Barcelona needs money they are absolutely under pressure to both maximise the transfer fee and get rid of his regular wages as quickly as possible.
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you have zero understanding of how salaries work dont you ?Someone needs to resit their A levels
Happy to see our newbies providing valuable input
No they wouldn’t.
He signed a contract that paid him 57k /week for 2020/21 and something between 115-150k /week for 2021/2022.
The shortfall was going to be made up with a wage increase starting from next season and future loyalty bonuses.
Up to this point in his contract Barça have paid him in full.
They have conned the shit out of him mind, but legally that have paid him to date as per the terms of his contract.
If it is that easy, why didn't he join United yet?.
I'm pretty sure he loses his claim on the 17m Euro, if he moves clubs this summer.
Barcelona might be cnuts bit they aren't that dumb or better their legal team isn't that dumb.
thank you. Much obliged. You’re perhaps trying pull my leg.
A newbie is a forum status clearly having an understanding of contracts and salary doesnt come with a full status for the lad that first said ‘if you leave you miss out and salaries owed’
Unless there is a specific contract term that defines how a player forfeits monies owed (and quantum) then being owed a salary means being owed a salary. If 17m are deferred the sum is still payable unless the player negotiates a plan.
Regulus explains above what the contract states. He isnt getting a penny. But st the same time if that is the case that’s not a deferred payment. Thats just an amazing business deal from Barca. How shady are they ?
Simple.
Why would he lose his claim for the deferred?
(edit seen regulus comment, wasnt aware)
The fact of the matter is that no one knows the contents of FDJ's contract. In high level sports, they're far more akin to the kind of contracts you'd find in the entertainment industry and are very complex with numerous riders. This works both ways so it's certainly within the realms of possibility (although this would be pure speculation) that there was something in FDJ's original contract that negates unpaid fees should he leave before the end of his full contract.
If you are going to go all high horse with your post better check it for typos etc first
I thought this too at first, but I’m not sure the salary was “deferred” in terms of the contract. From what I read somewhere it was more of a restructuring of the contract - reduced salary for x amount of years and then in the last few years of his contract he’d be paid more. So technically not a deferral.
I don't believe this to be the case here, but if he signed his deferral with some kind of backloaded contract, like it happens in US sports, this wouldn't be impossible. Say the new contract states €10m 2022, €15m 2023-2025 and so on, things might not be quite as black and white
I skipped my spelling classesIf you are going to go all high horse with your post better check it for typos etc first
i think the problem is the use of the term deferred. They’re deferred in spirit if what’s stated above is correct. He seriously got playedThe whole thing certainly seems to refer to money he is or believed he is owed.I skipped my spelling classes
Couldn't keep up with this saga as there was a massive nation wide network outage here in Canada on Friday. What's the latest? Anyone care to explain? Is it the same thing regarding his deferred salary?
Can't be bothered to read through 20 pages haha.
Can't be bothered to read through 20 pages haha.
Exactly the same situation as this time last week I thinkCouldn't keep up with this saga as there was a massive nation wide network outage here in Canada on Friday. What's the latest? Anyone care to explain? Is it the same thing regarding his deferred salary?
Can't be bothered to read through 20 pages haha.
When Lewandowski got a raise for last year of his contract at Dortmund, when did shareholders hold the board liable? Of course fostering goodwill and trust is important in football and there are regular gestures that are disadvantageous financially aimed to improve those.
I think the former.
Blah blah salary blah blah levers blah blah Chelsea blah loves Barca blah.Couldn't keep up with this saga as there was a massive nation wide network outage here in Canada on Friday. What's the latest? Anyone care to explain? Is it the same thing regarding his deferred salary?
Can't be bothered to read through 20 pages haha.
On off on off tweet trustworthy blah blah
This is the only way his and Barcelona's behavior make any sense.
I would say he probably had a better chance to sue his agent for severe negligence than getting anything from Barcelona, if he moves.
Maybe something was lost in translation that states that if he doesn't complete the length of that contract the player gets the amount as of the moment he leaves the club. Since he loves Barca, he probably never thought he would ever leave the club? So deferment payments till the full length of the contract.
If it went indeed down like that, he doesn't have a leg to stand on. But why would Barca compromise to pay him 3m of the 17m? They don't seem like they do goodwill
I think what people are saying is that Barca can't really choose how this shakes out. If I was FdJ and the above was true then I would basically say to Barca "pay me what I am owed based on my original, non-deferred salary and I will leave otherwise I will see out the rest of my contract, you won't get a transfer fee and you will still have to pay me those wages and bonuses".
FdJ holds far more power than Barca at the moment. I assume the two parties are currently arguing about a compromise that will satisfy both parties. When you are in as much of a mess financially as Barca are you will fight tooth and nail over £15m in wages.
Not going to lie, if I was a player at Barca right now I would have zero good will towards the club and anyone looking to go there in future should get some very strong contractual guarantees to avoid Barca screwing them over like they seem to be happy to do to all their players.
I believe most of the people here dont realize Barca doesn't own Frenkie money as a classic debt because they didn't pay him in the past.
Both agreed to reorganize the contract in reducing his salary during the covid years and adding this amount to his other contract years. Bartomeu did this in his last days as president.
That means Frenkie will earn from now on €19m gross a year. For Laporta's new wage limit that is way out of line as it's nearly double of Pedri and Fati for example, so he seeks out possibilities to either reduce this amount as in asking the player or giving him the opportunity to leave the club, so barca doesnt need to pay him the rest of his contract.
So if Frenkie decides to leave the club, the contract between him and barca ends and barca doesn't need to pay him at all anymore as usual in this business. So all the rumours "barca asking a potential buyer to pay the deffered wages" are total bs.
But Laporta can't force out Frenkie and doesn't intend to either, he simply asks or opens possibilities. Frenkie has the last word.
Both agreed to reorganize the contract in reducing his salary during the covid years and adding this amount to his other contract years. Bartomeu did this in his last days as president.
That means Frenkie will earn from now on €19m gross a year. For Laporta's new wage limit that is way out of line as it's nearly double of Pedri and Fati for example, so he seeks out possibilities to either reduce this amount as in asking the player or giving him the opportunity to leave the club, so barca doesnt need to pay him the rest of his contract.
So if Frenkie decides to leave the club, the contract between him and barca ends and barca doesn't need to pay him at all anymore as usual in this business. So all the rumours "barca asking a potential buyer to pay the deffered wages" are total bs.
But Laporta can't force out Frenkie and doesn't intend to either, he simply asks or opens possibilities. Frenkie has the last word.
Are we sure he signed a new contract and not just agreed to defer his wages?
If he signed a new contract, he needs to fire his agent.
Of course he does. What would you do if you had a contract for x years and only got paid £20m at the end of that contract and the company said "we would like you to leave". Would you leave and lose that £20m or would you say to them "pay me £15m and I will leave now or I will stay for the next X years on a silly salary AND collect my £20m.".
FdJ has all the legs to stand on.
I am quite impressed with how little has happened with this transfer this week I have to say still convinced it'll get done, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me if we're still waiting for it to happen towards the end of this month.
still convinced it'll get done, but at this point it wouldn't surprise me if we're still waiting for it to happen towards the end of this month.Of course he can choose to stay, but if he really signed such a contract, Barca owe him zilch up to now
Thank you! Seems like Barca are intent on weasling out from paying Frenkie's salary and are using every means to achieve that.
Not particularly this transfer as it has its fairly unique complications, but I’m starting to think we are dwelling on transfers while ETH assess the squad. It feels a bit like we have lined transfers up and are ready to pull the trigger but haven’t.I am quite impressed with how little has happened with this transfer this week I have to say
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