Tired of his 'Mes que un club' loyalty card he's been playing. Almost want him to stay in that bankrupt club, be kicked out of the squad, miss the world cup and ruin his career at this point. Just try to sign Tielemans, play him with Eriksen and Fred in CM and assess the situation again in january.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Not the most convincing statement.
Mike Phelan?
Except for the 85m euro transfer fee and the 64m euro reduction in wages over the next 4 years you are correct. Barcelona don’t get much at all.
To be fair, as much as I've quoted you and sometimes bashed your comments I will admit you do talk sense.
The absolute truth is that no one knows what's going on except those involved. We're going by journos who, at the end of the day, are in it for themselves. They know people are desperate for updates and will post whatever they can to get the clicks and traffic.
I do want the deal to happen but I'm looking at it from a point of a player who knows he's on borrowed time at the club but has this glimmer of hope that all will be sorted. He knows it probably won't be, but he doesn't want to burn any bridges with the club, the fans or his team mates. If he leaves, he wants to leave on good terms I'd imagine with no grudges. If he stays, then he wants the fans to continue to support him.
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He is quoting Sportingwitness, which is translating news article from Diarios
We should walk away and sign Phil Jagielka from Stoke.
Smart? He’s selling away their future revenue while signing players for big money when they can’t even register them.
Cameron Jerome could do a job.
Any Villa fans on here? Go ask them what level that rate him?
That will happen, if not already.
All this talk is just posturing.
He knows he will be leaving, just that he can't publicly come out and say anything otherwise barca has leverage over his deferred wages.
Rumours has it that this hidden gem in Southampton called Ali Dia is available.
Exactly. Its really not hard to see how Barca are going to pay €17m Euros to save themselves so much money in the future. If they don't they are doing it because they are too proud to feel like they have been played.
Yeah, utterly baffling. The smart move would be to not sign anyone on large wages or for a large fee for a few years. Promote from the academy and try to plead poverty to get the players like de Jong to reduce their wages a bit. The draw of Barca will still be there. La Liga isn't so strong that I wouldn't bet on Barca missing CL in those 2 years and they would be in a much much stronger position at the end of it.
We should walk away and bring Giggs out of retirement since he's no longer busy with Wales.
As soon as he got the paperwork done for the money his owed by Barcelona, his on a plane to us.
this is giving me fellaini vibes.
I dont know why
I dont know why
Yes, its difficult to remember this each time an update comes out regardless of where we stand on it.
It's a business for these guys as you say, they need to get paid too and protect their reputation and if / when it gets done or falls apart they'll try pretend they have the exclusive and it was what they've said all along.
He's a very good player is FDJ, I've never said he isn't.
It's more so the constant chest thumping about wanting to stay put and I don't buy into the burn any bridges sentiment cause players always talk up moves to other clubs these days, there's zero loyalty in the game.
If he publicly came out and said something to the effect of wanting to test his abilities in the premier league with United, he can also add to that he is being held at Barca due to the deferred payments, his contract wouldn't be null / void for saying this.
If its all about money for him which is fair enough & wanting to go to United... why should he care what the Barca fans think, say or do then?
Jesus how many players have we had hand in transfer requests and talk up moves to rivals? Ronaldo? Rooney? Both are still cheered on by our supporters and considered legends by many.
Of course we are comfortable. The Glazers will always be comfortable not spending money. The club can say we tried our hardest but couldn't get the deal over the line and there are no alternatives as good as Frenkie available.
Expect the ETH happy with his midfield options brief any day now.
Thats exactly what I think is holding up the whole thing. The situation is very simple and every party knows their place in this. Frenkie wants to get as much as he can and Barca want to give him as little as they can. They will be negotiating those details. Frenkie will have agreed to come to United pending a happy conclusions of negotiations with Barca. Barca have agreed a fee with United. Its just hashing out the details. The question is how far the point moves between Frenkie and Barca on those "owed" wages.
The only sensible argument for him turning us down, is that Frenkie missed out on the coveted Bangkok Century Cup and saw Iqbal will become twice the player he is.
Can't see any other argument. Any.
Can't see any other argument. Any.
Yeah the Glazers have been very reluctant to sign players over the last decade. Jesus, get a grip.
Sack Fergie, Sell Giggs
No i guess not, there have been a few cases where players have gone elsewhere, but yeah I cant remember us getting offers accepted and a player turning round and not leaving before. Could be a first.
If they just want rid of him then yes, they want the transfer fee. But given how much he played for them last season and that Xavi apparently likes him, I'm not convinced. The whole line has been that they need to sell de Jong to meet FFP and allow other signings. But they won't get his full fee towards FFP from what has been said here, I think the number was 20-30m euros. So if they pay him off, that doesn't leave much. Certainly not funding Bernardo or Lewandowski etc.
There is nothing we can do tbh. I think he would be fine to join us if he were to leave but won't unless he gets paid what he is owed. And Barca won't pay him.
Its very obvious.
Otherwise why would we waste time flying to Barcelona to seal the deal (after his agent came to Manchester no less).
Just have to be patient and let it all play out. It's also allowed us to move on to signing Lisandro Martinez now that we have locked in the total fee for the FDJ deal.
Nah. Di Maria.
It's still different because it would change up the dynamic. De Jong currently has all of the cards, he's done everything right. No matter the outcome he comes out as the good guy (even if Barca will make him out not to be). If he publicly stated he wouldn't mind the challenge of the Premier League, but cannot due to deferred wages, Barca could still turn around and say "So you have publicly said you don't mind moving, but are being greedy. You need to accept a lower fee to move. The fans now expect you to move because you said you don't put Barca ahead of every option".
And not that it's right, but United seem to be treated differrently than the Spanish giants. It's OK if a player is open to leave us, but wanting to leave Barca/Real is a death sentence to your time in the club.
Barca tell the press De Jong is staying so they can demand more money.
De Jong tells the press he wants to stay so Barca can't sneak out of paying him what they owe him.
United tell the press they're comfortable that the deal will happen and aren't in any great rush.
Of the 3, our stance seems the most believable. I just don't see how we would still be pursuing this if the player wasn't indicating that he's interested in coming.
I could believe such stupidity of Woodward and Judge, but they're gone and I just can't believe the idea that Ten Hag could be that thick.
De Jong tells the press he wants to stay so Barca can't sneak out of paying him what they owe him.
United tell the press they're comfortable that the deal will happen and aren't in any great rush.
Of the 3, our stance seems the most believable. I just don't see how we would still be pursuing this if the player wasn't indicating that he's interested in coming.
I could believe such stupidity of Woodward and Judge, but they're gone and I just can't believe the idea that Ten Hag could be that thick.
Imagine having such little self respect that you'd stay with an employer that treats you as Barca have.
Lucky you this is giving me Wesley Sneijder vibes
No problem. We can take 17 million off the transfer fee agreed, incrementally over the length of time we are paying Barca (unless we are paying it all in one go) then give Frenkie 17 million over the length of his contract.
No, if he leaves Barcelona he’s entitled to be paid the money he’s owed. The problem is Barcelona don’t want to pay him, they want United to pay him. If Barcelona don’t want to pay him then they won’t sell him, they’ll just keep him and pay him the money he’s owed when his contract is up instead, but they can’t afford to keep him if he doesn’t take another pay cut.
Imagine reading a few reports and questioning somebodies self respect
At this point, his best scenario is they can keep their head financially above water. The rest is a political battle.
He can blame the problem on the previous regime.
I feel that most of you must go through a course on business negotiations as well as legal contracts. If money was the issue, they would have told ETH that he had to settle with the first team or look for a much cheaper option. It makes no sense for the club to suddenly say there is no money after spending so much time on this deal.
The problem here isnt lack of money, its a legal issue. Even if Manchester United have a fee agreed with Barca, Barca must still resolve the existing contractual obligations with the player, unless the player decides to terminate it by mutual consent. Manchester United's contract can only legally take over once the existing contract with Barca can be ended as FDJ cant hold 2 contracts at the same time. Once FDJ settles the contract issue, we will announce the signing.
Barca wouldn't want this, as they need as much money as possible coming in to the club (even if it goes out again straight after), to enable them to make moves under FFP. More money in gives them more room for future salaries etc.
Remember the weird Pjanic and Arthur deals with Juve in the summer of 2020?
Like getting a payout of your wages ahead of payday. Barca are taking cash now from finance companies and giving them a Percentage of future revenues from things like TV deals. Eg imagine United saying Give us £500m now and you get 30% of our TV revenue for next 10 years.
We need to walk away from this toxic relationship
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