I don't know how they teach you math in Spain but in Germany and the rest of the world 25% of 5 billion make only 1,25 billion Euro. Thus it's not even enough to pay off your current debt.
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Barcelona: Charged with corruption .... again!
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It's an odd signing as to my knowledge they haven't lost a defender (bar 38 year old Alves). They've lost out on Kounde, who is chelsea bound so they might feel they need to sign a new central defender. But this is despite signing Christensen and possibly Azpliefsefueta from Chelsea so the feck knows what they are doing.Now I read something about them wanting to get Iñigo Martinez ffs! I mean I think that would be a good signing for them, even if it came this late, but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
Although I'd be surprised someone from Bilbao would go to Barca
Of those 9 players you've put in only Busquets, Alba and Lewandowski are starters this year. So that's not a big rebuild.
S. Roberto is in 4M gross. Neto is the last year of his contract and is looking for an exit.
A. Fati earn 10M gross plus variables.
If he performs well, his contract will be raised in 3 years.
I already put an approximate amount of Barcelona's salaries. And there are a few teams that currently spend more.
You mean last year's debt. Right now you don't know what debt Barcelona has.
I'm not picking on you mate, but the highlighted part is a bit laughable quoting salaries when we signed a 37 year old on 500k pw who is now refusing to do pre-season, two other strikers who have forgotten where the net is with repeated flop martial (forget pre-season) who we were happy to get rid of on 250k and Rashford o 200K. Not to forget our keeper is on 375k, sancho 350, Sicknote Varane 340k etc...We are no better than Barca in paying way over the top wages for players in my honest opinion. I'd love a wage cap of 200K for top players but that just won't happen.
I'd snap up Lew over Ronaldo for 160k less and 4 years younger too.
But as for Barca and their plans, I completely agree with what you are saying from the multiple posts you've just written
Again I can't follow your math.
537m Euro from the levers. 20% of it are 107,4m Euro.
You paid 50m +20m Euro for Lewandowski, 60m Euro for Raphina and on top still want Silva for at least 90m Euro and Koundé for around 65m Euro.
This makes 285m Euro if you can't sell FdJ.
That's already 53% of your levers gone. Probably more as I didn't include agent fees except for Lewandowski and any signing on fees for your free transfers.
At the moment they are €48M and hopefully they end up being €60M.
Barcelona sold only the rights to LaLiga, about 160M.
https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/club/news/2295686/all-the-details-on-espai-barca-and-its-financing
I doubt the debt decreased significantly, probably the opposite.
And if this years debt isn't published yet, the poster I quoted can't know it also.
I applaud you for your efforts for trying to bring some common sense math into proceedings, but these new style Culé economics are something else beyond normal understanding.
Mes que un lever.
Nobody excepting Real Madrid wins the Champions League very frequently. It's throphy with a lot of ramdomness.
Oh we're a disaster too with how our wages have been distributed. At the very least, United are spending like crazy but well within our allowances, whereas they are past their allowance and still giving dumb wages.I'm not picking on you mate, but the highlighted part is a bit laughable quoting salaries when we signed a 37 year old on 500k pw who is now refusing to do pre-season, two other strikers who have forgotten where the net is with repeated flop martial (forget pre-season) who we were happy to get rid of on 250k and Rashford o 200K. Not to forget our keeper is on 375k, sancho 350, Sicknote Varane 340k etc...We are no better than Barca in paying way over the top wages for players in my honest opinion. I'd love a wage cap of 200K for top players but that just won't happen.
I'd snap up Lew over Ronaldo for 160k less and 4 years younger too.
But as for Barca and their plans, I completely agree with what you are saying from the multiple posts you've just written
Barca are so poor that they're still playing FIFA 16 judging by the future Camp Nou image at the bottom of the link.
"This financing plan is guaranteed by the increases in revenue generated by the new Espai Barça once it is completed, estimated at 200 million euros a year."
As I read it your revenue from the stadium will increase to 200m Euro per year.
This doesn't say an additional 200m Euro of revenue per year
Also the fact that they'll get an estimated return on investment at 35 years suggests that too. Otherwise it'd be 7 to 8 years.
You said we should be grateful that Pep came and thought as how to play football.
That sounded like Bayern were a nothing club before Pep, which is just ridiculous.
We have won more European cups than Barcelona and Pep didn't add any despite having a very strong team.
I really hope for Barcelona their board is better in math than their supporters here on RedCafe.
He's also over 30, he's a good player and I think they were interested in him at some point something like 5 or 7 years ago... when it would had made sense but who knows it's just a rumor but everyone in football world is still surprised by how active they've been on the market.
Yes, I have an idea of how the debt will go and I would be very surprised if it increased as you say.
The Espai Barca will generate €200 more.
If now it generates 170, at the end of the remodeling it will be 370.
I don't know if the translation from Spanish to English makes me express myself badly.
Your highest match day revenue was 156m Euro. No other club makes more.
If you increase it by 30% with another 10500 seats would be already excellent business.
However to increase by another 130% looks totally unachievable.
Your match day revenue would go to 356 million per season, with Real Madrid making 108m Euro in second place.
The total figure also includes TV revenues from the Champions League, Spanish Cup as well as all friendlies etc.
https://www.statista.com/statistics...-revenue-received-by-football-teams-in-spain/
In 2020/21 their La Liga tv money was €165M, last season's numbers haven't yet been released. The 25% they sold will be taken from that amount so around €40M a year with the current broadcasting deals.
There's more to it than just tickets : Hotel, hospitality, all kinds of events in the Palau and Camp Nou, more than 4,000 new locations VIP...
The risk of this approach is the impact of the upcoming recession. The inflation has big impact on people's disposable income, and the first thing I will cut is cost for entertainment.
Impression i got was it wasn't so much from matchday income. Glaston is probably opening a cheese room, going international.
Well your reference doesn't come up with the math, so I can't still see how this would be possible.
If it's so easy to increase your match day revenue by 200m Euro I'm wondering why no other clubs are doing it.
Real Madrid is doing it
Don’t disagree with that but when you make posts implying Pep improved Bayerns football…. a Bayern team who’d just won the CL and didn’t get back there again with Pep (lost all semis?)… you’ve got to expect replies?
I doubt anyone thinks Pep is a bad manager, but he basically had a free run at the CL with them (the title is effectively a done deal from week.1). Ask 1000 Bayern fans whether they’d have Heynckes football/a CL win or Peps/three ways to lose a semi, I think a lot would say Heynckes. I would.
Anyway… back to Barca and their 7 levers
Cheers for explanation. So about 6-7% then? (for years)
That has been discussed in the thread. Figures were 360m Euro over 20 years, which makes an additional 18m Euro per year.
If you increase your revenue from 156m Euro to 200 million that's already an additional 44 million Euro per year. Almost 2,5 times what Real Madrid will add on revenue, which would be great.
Still you are claiming it will be an additional 200m Euro a year. That would be more than 11 times what Real Madrid are getting. You believe that?
€360M for 30%. You also have to count the other 70%. In addition to more VIP boxes, hotel, shops, restaurants etc.
All that added up makes the 150-200M that Real Madrid foresees.
Your own website says return on investment of 1.5b Euro is a predicted 35 years. That isn't a 200m revenue increase a year.
Barcelona will allocate approximately one third of those €200M to pay the corresponding annual installment of the loan.
Even then it will only add 60m Euro per year. Nowhere near the 150 to 200m Euro
That's not how a return on investment is calculated though. It's a statement of how long it will take for the increase of revenue to exceed the 1.5b spent, not how it's spent. Even if it did and a third was spent on loans the maths wouldn't make sense.
If a 30% stake is worth 360M€ over 20 years, shouldn't that make the value of the other 70% more like €840M over the same time 20 year period? All together that adds up to €1.2bn so €60M a year. Where does the 150-200M come from?
Aren't hotel, shops, restaurants etc. part of the 'stadium operations' so therefore already included in the numbers?
Something doesn't quite add up here.
That is what Barcelona's economic directors have said.
Yes, hotel, shops and other things are included in the numbers.
The website says it will take 35 years (actually 40 due to not including the build years) to make-up the 1.5b Euro spent and it's pretty clear.
Anyway, the stadium will be amazing I'm sure, it's already impressive having been there and the investment will make it great for 50 years or more.
Again, then they will make only 60m Euro per year from it. Nowhere near the 150m to 200m Euro you quoted.
That is what the economic directors of Madrid have said on the one hand and the economic directors of Barcelona on the other. And both have given the same figures. Between €150M and €200M euros.