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AneRu

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At this point I am now more interested in whether we have a back up or if ETH is mad enough to go into the season with McFred. This one is dead in the water.
 
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I mean if he stays, it's not a huge deal. We went for a player, it didn't pan out. Most deals don't. Ten Hag will be judged on his coaching at the end of the day and I'd say it's virtually guaranteed to be a massive improvement anyway.
I think Erik would look like a dickhead, and it’d leave some people at the club scratching their heads. But in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn’t actually be any different to Chelsea missing out on Raphinha. Shit happens all the time.
 

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At this point I am now more interested in whether we have a back up or if ETH is mad enough to go into the season with McFred. This one is dead in the water.
This one is evaporated in the water more like but people refuse to move on. There is literally not a single reliable outlet being optimistic.
 

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Should Utd have really got involved if we thought there was any possibility he would be willing to take a salary cut
All the signs still point to him refusing a pay cut. It's the shitty sources that are saying he's open to it.

I think it was said best a few posts up, there will be radio silence after the friendly tonight, tomorrow will be a rinse and repeat job of what we've had for a few weeks
 

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If this is true and he gives up almost €57m (€17m + €10m each year for the next 4) then he is dumber than a sack of potatoes.
If this is true, Arnold and Murtourgh should resign tomorrow for wasting the window. Ask David Gill to fill in interim for one season and see if we can get Antony and SMS but even then I’m not sure about the Balkan at 27 in PL complete waste of a window.
 

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I'm just miffed by this whole thing right now. Most of the "information" about it I take with a grain of salt (including the stuff from the UK press), but the fact is Utd need more and better midfielders. If they don't get clarity on this soon, they're then probably bringing in a player (if they can actually get a deal done in time) that hasn't played under ETH or been a part of pre-season, so is going to have a big adjustment period in-season.

All the eggs being in this basket isn't a great approach.
 

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I mean if he stays, it's not a huge deal. We went for a player, it didn't pan out. Most deals don't. Ten Hag will be judged on his coaching at the end of the day and I'd say it's virtually guaranteed to be a massive improvement anyway.
Would agree with most of what you said, however my only concern is his seeming tunnel vision on this transfer
 

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I think Erik would look like a dickhead, and it’d leave some people at the club scratching their heads. But in the grand scheme of things, it wouldn’t actually be any different to Chelsea missing out on Raphinha. Shit happens all the time.
Ultimately it's Ten Hags decision though, if he sees it as Frenkie or bust, then it's Frenkie or bust.
 

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Looking forward to tomorrow, where it will be reported that Barca are telling Frenkie he must take a 60% pay cut to stay. By the end of the week, Barca accounts will have some of you believing Frenkie is willing to forego his salary completely and actually pay the club to stay and play at Barca because he loves them so much.
 
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Hope he reduces his salary then still gets stuck on the bench :lol:
I mean, the funny thing is that if he does reduce his salary he is making himself far more droppable. You don't bench a player earning crazy money for various reasons. You can bench a guy that is just on good wages though.
 

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I'm just miffed by this whole thing right now. Most of the "information" about it I take with a grain of salt (including the stuff from the UK press), but the fact is Utd need more and better midfielders. If they don't get clarity on this soon, they're then probably bringing in a player (if they can actually get a deal done in time) that hasn't played under ETH or been a part of pre-season, so is going to have a big adjustment period in-season.

All the eggs being in this basket isn't a great approach.
Yeah unbelievably risky strategy, we simply have to sign a deep lying playmaker none of this we will find someone BS I heard from Erik
 

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I guess that's almost the end of things
That's a word-for-word copy of what ManagingBarca Tweeted out.

I wouldn't be surprised if UtdPlug just saw their Tweet and basically plagiarized it. As for it's source, here it is: https://www.ccma.cat/esport3/el-mercat-del-barca-al-detall/noticia/3177614/

The exact verbage of the passage of interest:
El jugador no vol marxar i club ja li ha dit que, si es vol quedar, s'ha de rebaixar la fitxa. L'holandès i els seus representants ho estan meditant.
The translation as of Google Translate:
The player does not want to leave and the club has already told him that, if he wants to stay, he must lower his fee. The Dutchman and his representatives are considering it.
Honestly, that doesn't seem like anything particularly revelatory. This could easily be de Jong's camp being given the salary reduction request and then not coming back with an immediate answer, which is reasonable especially when considering a future away from one's dream club, in my opinion. There's much ado about nothing here, as usual; this is the same old information that the other journalists have received. ManagingBarca are just sensationalizing things as usual.
 

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He can stay at Barcelona with his full salary by simply doing nothing. He has a contract, they owe him the money.

As if they'd make him take them to court to get it... what can they do? Bench him, let him rot? So they still have to pay him and his value reduces?

Similar nonsense to them saying Dembele was done in January when he didn't sign a new deal.

Really bizarre transfer situation.
 

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Is this the first time a player has used us to get a worse contract from his current club?
 

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Looking forward to tomorrow, where it will be reported that Barca are telling Frenkie he must take a 60% pay cut to stay. By the end of the week, Barca accounts will have some of you believing Frenkie is willing to forego his salary completely and actually pay the club to stay and play at Barca because he loves them so much.
Could Frankie be the one who pays for the next lever? What a hero.
 

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Would agree with most of what you said, however my only concern is his seeming tunnel vision on this transfer
Less tunnel vision and more just sees him as a world class player so will try until he can no longer try? If it falls through then so be it, but I see the logic in going all out for Frenkie.
 

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I mean if he stays, it's not a huge deal. We went for a player, it didn't pan out. Most deals don't. Ten Hag will be judged on his coaching at the end of the day and I'd say it's virtually guaranteed to be a massive improvement anyway.
I really don't understand the sentiment from the fans and media on this. We had every right to go for him, just like other teams do. Like other teams, it doesn't always work. Yet we seem to be the only team targeted for not getting in a player. It's used as a stick to beat us with for some reason. Chelsea and Arsenal have been hijacked to a few transfers in this very same window.
City failed to sign Kane last summer and spent the whole time looking to sign him. Real Madrid couldn't land Mbappe. Haaland chose City over far more reputable clubs. Its the transfer window, this happens to literally everyone. Yet for us, its tried to be used as a symbol of decline.

In this particular transfer, Barca showed themselves to be completely dishonest and shady. hat's not on us.
 

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That's a word-for-word copy of what ManagingBarca Tweeted out.

I wouldn't be surprised if UtdPlug just saw their Tweet and basically plagiarized it. As for it's source, here it is: https://www.ccma.cat/esport3/el-mercat-del-barca-al-detall/noticia/3177614/

The exact verbage of the passage of interest:


The translation as of Google Translate:


Honestly, that doesn't seem like anything particularly revelatory. This could easily be de Jong's camp being given the salary reduction request and then not coming back with an immediate answer, which is reasonable especially when considering a future away from one's dream club, in my opinion. There's much ado about nothing here, as usual; this is the same old information that the other journalists have received. ManagingBarca are just sensationalizing things as usual.
As always thank you for the clarification
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I really don't understand the sentiment from the fans and media on this. We had every right to go for him, just like other teams do. Like other teams, it doesn't always work. Yet we seem to be the only team targeted for not getting in a player. It's used as a stick to beat us with for some reason. Chelsea and Arsenal have been hijacked to a few transfers in this very same window.
City failed to sign Kane last summer and spent the whole time looking to sign him. Real Madrid couldn't land Mbappe. Haaland chose City over far more reputable clubs. Its the transfer window, this happens to literally everyone. Yet for us, its tried to be used as a symbol of decline.

In this particular transfer, Barca showed themselves to be completely dishonest and shady. hat's not on us.
Yeah but that doesn’t follow the narrative. Chelsea missing out on Raphinha is just business, us missing out is “embarrassing”.#fact
 
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