This sags has gone on so long I can't tell satire from serious posts anymore.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Because barca presents it's squad usually during the Gamper festival, so it's usually around that time when the club register the new squad for the upcoming season. You can look it up yourself on Laliga's homepage, that barca didn't update the last years squad at all. Is a player not on LaLiga's homepage after the festival, then you can assume there are difficulties.
I had to Google‘Man Utd linked with a bid for
Maestro Van den Plas. John Murtough believed to have had meetings and kicked a few tyres’.
Depending on your age you will either get that or not!
Quick someone start a thread! Not Maestro though.
Pim. Pim van der Plas. Plays for Quick Boys. GK.
Let's see if the newspapers pick it up
Oh good, another deadline.
“I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.” ~Douglas Adams
Throughout this whole summer I’ve yet to see one single explanation from anywhere of why City would even give a second thought to selling Bernardo to Barca. He has been immense for them since he tried to leave a year ago or whatever it was. A clear Pep favorite.
And if City were open to letting him go and Barca need to sell De Jong to facilitate his arrival…..why wouldn’t City then take De Jong?
And if City were open to letting him go and Barca need to sell De Jong to facilitate his arrival…..why wouldn’t City then take De Jong?
De Jong is a very different player to Silva, apparently City want to replace Silva with Paqueta. He'd be a great signing.
You definitely need to get another attacker.
Bernardo's wanted to leave for a while. Iirc Pep even said, maybe last season, he wouldn't stand in his way.
It's a combination of his transfer fee plus freed wages that matter.
Barca never say in any interview that he's staying, it's always "we want him to stay", Xavi in his latest interview says "I don't know if he's staying".
Silva and De Jong play different roles in midfield. They'd want a like for like replacement one would expect. They've already bought Phillips as the Fernandinho replacement to go along with Gundogan and Rodri.
on Ronaldo it isn’t that hard to figure out
we don’t want to keep him, but there is no reason to admit that publicly.. but reasons to say the opposite
Yes, I also can't see Pep letting B.Silva go, he is a key player, as important as KdB, and KdB gets injured sometimes, so its B.Silva who would run that City midfield for Pep.
Yesterday's game against Liverpool, he easily played through Liverpool's intense pressing, even played deeper as KdB was further ahead than him.
Same reason why Barca don't want him in the first place. He's not that great at Bilva's role nor can he do the Rodri / Busquets role at a high level. He is a weird player.
Bilva to Barca makes total sense from a Barca perspective - he's a class player and he can spend the next 3-4 years atleast locking down a starting spot while Gavi develops.
I don't think City will let him go, but if Bilva forces the transfer by throwing his toys out the pram then maybe it'll happen.
we really haven’t, we made a proposal they accepted, we have ever since been waiting
the most nonsense in one post award. The glazers are not trying to sell mcFred that I have seen?
we have signed a young left back for 15m who to me looks a damn good buy already, seems like the kind of business we should do
the take on Eriksen just shows how little you know, yes he did struggle to get starts, but after absolutely playing teams off the park conte brought him back in, shows someone with grit and determination, then comes to Brentford and plays well
Martinez may not be tier 1 only really in the sense he plays for Ajax,his stats and play are certainly not that of some second tier
you just sound like some stroppy teenager who can’t get his own way. Is the window ideal so far? No but it’s not finished yet
Insulting another member
And another label. Here's yours: cnut
We were invited to bid by Barcelona, we did, then they said “oh by the way he’s got this issue with his wages and we’re all going to have to sit here until September in a very public Mexican stand off.” We should probably avoid doing any more business with them tbh.
I think Bernardo got the same kind of deal as Sterling: if a good offer comes, they will not stop him from leaving.
How the feck did we once again end up here? Season starting in a week and still no CM. Actually thought with ETH this would be the first position adressed but once again nothing..
So when are they going to force him out then?
Athletic are saying it’s 50/50 he’ll move to United. Manchester isn’t his first choice, he’d rather be in London but they’re also saying there’s no one else in for him.
Can Barcelona realistically allow him to stay on his current contract? They can’t physically force him out so I guess they just won’t register him?
Athletic are saying it’s 50/50 he’ll move to United. Manchester isn’t his first choice, he’d rather be in London but they’re also saying there’s no one else in for him.
Can Barcelona realistically allow him to stay on his current contract? They can’t physically force him out so I guess they just won’t register him?
I think he can’t be deselected. He’s already registered as a Barca player. If anybody can be registered it’ll be one of the noobs.
Would require another lever for sure but if Braithwaite, Umtiti and a few other deadwood leave it could be possible to register. Selling more of the club though for a player we don't even want to stay would be disastrous.
The Chelsea links are probably Frenkie's agents working the media to trying get a CL club involved - I believe CL is still an important factor, just my opinion.
The ridiculous posts from Sport are coming thick and hard with the determination of a Russian troll farm.
How about we counter them with our own? We awr Muppets and we are many.
How about we counter them with our own? We awr Muppets and we are many.
The most likely scenario has always been that FDJ and Barca reach some kind of agreement in which he reduces his current wage to the top of the new wage structure and they agree to repay the deferred wages over an extended time period, like they did with Pique and others. My guess is that deal plus selling a few deadwood plus some other financial juggling allows Barca to register their big new players.
I think Barca would prefer just to sell him but FDJ would likely prefer this outcome over moving to United (where he wouldn't get much more money anyway). FDJ still decides his own future in the end.
Time to put this thread on ignore.
That Der Plas lad is useless, I'd be going all in for that up and coming La Masia prospect, Austin Allegro.I had to Google
Quick someone start a thread! Not Maestro though.
Pim. Pim van der Plas. Plays for Quick Boys. GK.
Let's see if the newspapers pick it up
Ignore it! Time to EMBRACE it!!
Is this groundhog day?
I guess. Nothing has really changed as far as I can tell for like two months.
Last post today so can't reply to anything after.
I agree and this was my thinking. The media have reported on the agents relationship with Barca being totally broken but the player still went on preseason tour, kind of surprising. I believe United would put Frenkie behind only Ronaldo as second highest earner, he would for sure earn more than he would at Barca.
As for Laporta, he absolutely wants him gone, I think we would still sell this summer regardless of our financial situation. He isn't a bad player but he's a bad fit in Xavi's system, something I believe he identified very early on managing here hence the preferred: Bernardo Silva. There's a big chance City refuse to sell him though so Barca could soften their stance towards Frenkie, dust settles and the two continue amicably. Both sides have kept their options open thus far.
I really doubt he stays at this point though, pulling another lever/selling off more of the club just to keep a player they don't want in the first place is bad business.. even for Barca's standards.
Why do people keep coming out with this garbage, the club appears desperate because you have not paid attention to the details of either situation.
FDJ wants to stay put? Of course that is his stance for as long as Barca are trying to force him out without compensation for the 17M in salary he deferred the last 2 seasons, when he is paid up that almost certainly changes.
We want to keep Ronaldo? Not really but nobody has even hinted they want to sign him, we still owe Juve installments on the transfer fee we paid last year, if we say sure Ronnie off you pop then we write off millions with no hope of compensation. Again, if Ronnie and his agent can bring us a buyer our stance will change in a heartbeat.
I agree completely with everything you say but in the end the player has all the power in this situation. What Laporta wants just isn't actually that important in the end, its really what FDJ wants. The guy just bought a huge mansion in Barcelona, which is his childhood dream club, his fiancee loves it there, etc. While I agree he is a bad fit in Xavi's system, he was still selected regularly last year and who knows how long Xavi stays in the job anyway.
People have gotten so worked up about the intricacies of this situation with the levers and whatever that they have lost sight of the most basic and important factor about transfers: Players decide in the end. If a player has a long term contract and doesn't want to leave a club, he almost never leaves the club. And in the very rare case that he does end up leaving the club, its almost always because somebody is offering him so much money above his current wage that he just can't turn it down. FDJ doesn't want to leave and other clubs (United or whoever else) aren't offering him more than his current wage (in fact, almost certainly less). Those facts alone tell us its unlikely that he leaves, no matter what Laporta wants.
If Barca have to pull another lever, it'll be done not to keep FDJ it'll be to register new signings that they shouldn't have made under the presumption they could force out a player on a long term deal who wants to stay.
That covers it for me. He has options and if he winds up here im satisfied its because he wants to be here.
Barca have made it hard to take a wage cut but he'd still end up well payed and paying him deferred wages by some other mechanism is an option im sure. Or he can say screw it and just stick to his current contract and he'll earn more than he would anywhere else, 90m over 4 years i think it was. They've been harrassing players via the press for years, the fans wont care if hes performing when selected.
From what I gather he gets 88M over the next four years and 17M of that is the "deferred wages" causing the Mexican standoff.
That leaves 71M over four years that AN Other absolutely has to be paying him to make the numbers work (assuming he gets the 17M from Barca), That's 18M/year, which works out at 350k/week. There's no CL team out there needing this lad that badly that they will stump up the same fee and that wage as the bare minimum. Not a chance in hell, only Manchester United is capable of getting so far up shit creek. Furthermore, we have the best odds for the transfer to work (manager, desired tactics) while anywhere else it's a luxury signing.
No CL should also be working in his favour as a potential upside going forward. I wouldn't be surprised if we are indeed offering 450k on the basis that post 25% non-CL it's almost the required 350k and once we get back to the CL he is laughing all the way to the bank. If we don't he breaks even, you wouldn't move otherwise, would you?
That's so long as these all important 17M get sorted. Barca paying 7M would mean 500K to make up the shortfall and I can't blame Barcelona or FDJs agent for believing we'll pay up. We will, it's an absolute certainty so may as well do it today and get on with it.
Thanks for letting us all know, would've been worried otherwise
Not sure why the mood is still so downcast in here.
We've had quite a few fairly reliable Barca sources stating they're growing more optimistic about signing Bernardo Silva, and that this will only happen if De Jong leaves, plus even fecking Sport seem less insistent that De Jong won't be going to United now.
If anything I'm even more firmly on this Muppet train than before.
We've had quite a few fairly reliable Barca sources stating they're growing more optimistic about signing Bernardo Silva, and that this will only happen if De Jong leaves, plus even fecking Sport seem less insistent that De Jong won't be going to United now.
If anything I'm even more firmly on this Muppet train than before.
Dont think we can, wont work for Barcelonas accounts apparently. There were tweets weeks ago about us offering to pay it.
He has addressed it? He's gone for his number one target, who unfortunately is in a very complicated situation at Barca?
Thats not his fault is it? He's done all he can upto now to get things moving, but if Barca are taking the piss, thats not really ten Hags fault now is it?
I can't be arsed anymore on this, what will be will be! 
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