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Frenkie to United?


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No, that doesn’t make sense. Why does activating a lever now allow them to register the new players?

If the club is within the La liga salary limit, why can’t they register them already without needing more money.
Because income raise the FFP cap.
 

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Yup, that’s why Bernardo signing is dependent upon FDJ leaving. He’s as good as ours!
Except people keep conveniently ignoring that Barcelona wanting FDJ to leave doesn't actually mean he has to leave. The decision is still ultimately up to the player
 

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Because income raise the FFP cap.
But what happens next season if they fail to win the CL, have a poor league run and a crap domestic cup campaign? Their income will be shocking and surely their FFP cap would fall dramatically. They're stacking a WHOLE lot on this season being a very successful one
 

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No, that doesn’t make sense. Why does activating a lever now allow them to register the new players?

If the club is within the La liga salary limit, why can’t they register them already without needing more money.
The salary limit for each individual club is determined by a revenue minus costs equation. Therefore more revenue will balance out costs and boost the wage limit.
 

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Except people keep conveniently ignoring that Barcelona wanting FDJ to leave doesn't actually mean he has to leave. The decision is still ultimately up to the player
Absolutely it is his decision... but if he wants to stay, Barcas condition is a pay cut to bring him in line with the new salary policy. If he doesn't, and refuses to leave as well, you can guarantee that Barca will make his life a misery to the point where he wishes he'd have left this summer
 

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But what happens next season if they fail to win the CL, have a poor league run and a crap domestic cup campaign? Their income will be shocking and surely their FFP cap would fall dramatically. They're stacking a WHOLE lot on this season being a very successful one
I would argue that even with the signings they have made, they will be no closer to the CL and I still think RM and even AM are too strong for them to win the league
 

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I would argue that even with the signings they have made, they will be no closer to the CL and I still think RM and even AM are too strong for them to win the league
So this is a huge gamble for them really, and one that could majorly backfire on them big time
 

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That thought process only works if you're certain we won't get De Jong. As squnadering £60m on Neves fimrly puts the nail in the coffin for the De Jong transfers.

It's the same thought process a child uses when you go into a shop to buy a lego set they've been after for ages - to find it out of stock. The sensible thing is to save their money until it's available again. The child obviously wants to buy anything with the £50 they've been given, so they waste it on megablocks because they haven't got megablocks and it's sort of like lego.

We all know megablocks is far inferior to lego, and that silly child has wasted their money through impatience.
If we can raise the level of football on the pitch to the level that your analogies are at, then this will be a promising season.
 

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Except people keep conveniently ignoring that Barcelona wanting FDJ to leave doesn't actually mean he has to leave. The decision is still ultimately up to the player
Not exactly. See my post earlier today about Spanish employment law. There are ways to force a pay cut on FDJ, but conversely the same rule also allows him to leave for free.
 

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No, that doesn’t make sense. Why does activating a lever now allow them to register the new players?

If the club is within the La liga salary limit, why can’t they register them already without needing more money.
they are allowed to set 25% of any new income against the wages of new players above their cap.

E.g. Club A is currently at their wage cap but then gets a new sponsorship deal which is worth an extra 100 million a season. They may then increase their wage cap by £25 million and can now register up to 25 million of new wages, be that 1 player getting 25 million a season or 10 players getting 2.5 million a season.
 

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I would argue that even with the signings they have made, they will be no closer to the CL and I still think RM and even AM are too strong for them to win the league
I think they certainly have a better team than Atletico. They just brought in the best striker in the world. Their improvement since Xavi came in was massive last season to the point where they only got 3 less points than Real between Xavi's appointment and the end of the season. It will be a tough race between Real and Barca next season imo, especially with both teams improving their squad a lot.
 

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they are allowed to set 25% of any new income against the wages of new players above their cap.

E.g. Club A is currently at their wage cap but then gets a new sponsorship deal which is worth an extra 100 million a season. They may then increase their wage cap by £25 million and can now register up to 25 million of new wages, be that 1 player getting 25 million a season or 10 players getting 2.5 million a season.
I see. So they are basically kicking the can down the road hoping that somehow they have enough revenue coming in to meet the wage cap they are constantly increasing.

With this approach I can see quite a few more players down the line being put to the slaughter and being forced out.
 

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But what happens next season if they fail to win the CL, have a poor league run and a crap domestic cup campaign? Their income will be shocking and surely their FFP cap would fall dramatically. They're stacking a WHOLE lot on this season being a very successful one
If the FFP falls and Barcelona exceeds the salary limit then the rule of 1/4 applies until they enter the salary limit again.

I would argue that even with the signings they have made, they will be no closer to the CL and I still think RM and even AM are too strong for them to win the league
I don't see Atletico Madrid stronger than Barcelona.

Has anyone done any scenario analysis? What percentage of their future income are they giving up?
BarcaStudios was making losses these years.
 

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Except people keep conveniently ignoring that Barcelona wanting FDJ to leave doesn't actually mean he has to leave. The decision is still ultimately up to the player
He is entering his best years - could be somewhat strange to spend part of his prime doing a Bale
 

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Got to agree here. There’s a reason why Madrid are signing younger players now, the money is in England and they can’t get the big stars to force lives anymore. Barca are just signing players for free and older stars.
Their pull is leagues below what it was
Also all the tax cases stemming from the way these clubs have advised and paid their stars should be a word of warning for all other players tbh.
 

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He is entering his best years - could be somewhat strange to spend part of his prime doing a Bale
I agree. I think sometimes players have to think of the bigger picture. Yes it's his dream club, but if he's not going to get much playing time then whats the point in staying? He'd be wasting his career
 

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Not a lawyer, but the fact that the above has not happened makes me think that the way they deferred the wages is by restructuring his contract with a lower salary in the initial years and a higher salary later. This would allow Barca to show less expenditure in the short-term and boost their profitability. So on paper, he technically isn't owed anything by Barca, he would just be leaving before the higher wages kick in.
Yeh that's pretty much what I think that I bet Barcelona legally don't have to pay him a thing if he leaves by choice.

It's a real mess.
 

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Has anyone done any scenario analysis? What percentage of their future income are they giving up?
Why would anyone have a clue? Turns out they had some studios worth €400M just sitting around.

I called this on Day 1, it was all reminiscent of Inter absolutely having to sell Perisic by June 30... then selling a couple of other players.

We keep getting ourselves in terrible bargaining positions and lowballing people based on mythical deadlines when the only deadline for all involved is ours for getting the player in.
 

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That thought process only works if you're certain we won't get De Jong. As squnadering £60m on Neves fimrly puts the nail in the coffin for the De Jong transfers.

It's the same thought process a child uses when you go into a shop to buy a lego set they've been after for ages - to find it out of stock. The sensible thing is to save their money until it's available again. The child obviously wants to buy anything with the £50 they've been given, so they waste it on megablocks because they haven't got megablocks and it's sort of like lego.

We all know megablocks is far inferior to lego, and that silly child has wasted their money through impatience.
Great analogy. You are just missing the part were the poor child otherwise plays with McFlocks. Megablocks are inferior but somewhat fit, while McFlocks are made of jello.
:lol: :lol: True.

But then in a couple of weeks time the child is claiming megablocks isn't as good as lego, they need the new lego. But we've just spent £50 on Megablocks. You knew it would happen, and your kicking yourself for giving in. The kid should have been made to play with Mcflocks/jello until the Lego set became available.
 

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Seriously? Forgot to put on your thinking cap today?

What would you do with £17million at stake? Walkaway? I bet you would do exactly the same thing as Frenkie even for 10k never mind £17million.
I haven't said I'd do anything different. Simply asked whether he could move and then sue later.

But don't let that stop you being grumpy this morning, not knowing my net worth. 10k might be enough for you lad.
 

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What absolute mugs are valuing an in-house channel at €400m - honestly that belongs in the Hypernormalisation thread. Some absolute idiots in VC/Banking/Finance - it's truly delightful to imagine their content will resemble watching a sit-com in America where there is an ad-break every 90 seconds to remind you to spend your money on a branded BCN mop and bucket.
 

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He’s either an idiot for still thinking Barca are his dream club despite trying to screw him over on wages and bump him out the door, or he’s a stubborn idiot for dragging this out for so long for the sake of owed wages. Either way, we should have moved on a long time ago and left them to it.
 

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Why would anyone have a clue? Turns out they had some studios worth €400M just sitting around.

I called this on Day 1, it was all reminiscent of Inter absolutely having to sell Perisic by June 30... then selling a couple of other players.

We keep getting ourselves in terrible bargaining positions and lowballing people based on mythical deadlines when the only deadline for all involved is ours for getting the player in.
I think this is a completely difference scenario is it not?
de Jong absolutely destroys their new wage structure, he's on A LOT more than Lewa, who i imagine they want to be their top earner. Hence why de Jong needs to fall in line with a pay cut, or leave.
Of course he doesn't have to do either, but i think the reality is that if he doesn't go, then it's not going to end up good for him. I don't see him taking that pay cut though, and i don't see him staying around when it's clear that he's not wanted or needed there
 

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He’s either an idiot for still thinking Barca are his dream club despite trying to screw him over on wages and bump him out the door, or he’s a stubborn idiot for dragging this out for so long for the sake of owed wages. Either way, we should have moved on a long time ago and left them to it.
A stubborn idiot for not letting go of 17m?! Really? :houllier::houllier:
 

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I haven't said I'd do anything different. Simply asked whether he could move and then sue later.

But don't let that stop you being grumpy this morning, not knowing my net worth. 10k might be enough for you lad.
Sue for what? Barca don't contractually owe FDJ anything at the moment, afaik. If he puts in a transfer request he writes off the future wages and bonuses which are in dispute.
 
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