Not unusual for loan players to want to play against the club that owns them is it? Bit like wanting to show them what they're missing, no?
Most of the time the owning club doesn't let them play against them as part of the loan agreement though
Dean Henderson | Nottingham Forest loan watch
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Most of the time the owning club doesn't let them play against them as part of the loan agreement though
I don't care who promised what. He's still under contract and should keep that mouth zipped!
Can only hope he performs well enough that Forest buy him because I doubt ETH will have him back with that crap attitude.
Out of order.
Can only hope he performs well enough that Forest buy him because I doubt ETH will have him back with that crap attitude.
Out of order.
Like that Mariah Carey gif where she's saying ' I don't know her' with a smile on her face
That bold part is where I don't agree with you and why I say that we should not be throwing this on Solskjaer. This is something that there are no evidence of. I would love to see that quote where Solskjaer or any other manager says " this player is going to play no matter what". That kind of promise. No made up news from media or twitter from some guy in basement. Just fact. With background how our players have been and behaved I can't trust them. Not even 1%.
I've got no problem with him wanting to leave for first team football. At least he's not happy collecting his wages for nothing.
But honestly how stupid have you got to be to slate the club who still own you. What happens when his loan ends and he rocks back up at Carrington in June? It's not the clubs fault that DDG found his form again and is a better goalkeeper than you. Promises don't exist in football and you're as naive as Harry Kane if you believe they do.
But honestly how stupid have you got to be to slate the club who still own you. What happens when his loan ends and he rocks back up at Carrington in June? It's not the clubs fault that DDG found his form again and is a better goalkeeper than you. Promises don't exist in football and you're as naive as Harry Kane if you believe they do.
As said Hendo wasn't the only one who claim to have received similar reassurances. Jesse, Matic, Mata and Bailly have all said similar things throughout the past year. I don't trust any of our players but I also don't trust Ole to be anywhere near to an EPL level manager let alone a Manchester United one either.
Can you give me those quotes where they have been promised?
It is one thing to not trust him based on this managment ability and to think he is not Premier League level. This is something else.
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For such an average keeper he really has an enormous ego.
None of us can begrudge Dean's confidence in himself and even question that he's a pretty decent keeper. Although I never rated him as highly as De Gea, I also didn't think he looked out of place as United keeper. He tried too hard to impress on a few high balls, but he was up for the occasions he was given.
But these comments are appalling. No matter how great a player thinks he is, and every player has a right to believe he is great, coming out with comments says a lot more about him as a man than about United the club. It's time to sell him.
But these comments are appalling. No matter how great a player thinks he is, and every player has a right to believe he is great, coming out with comments says a lot more about him as a man than about United the club. It's time to sell him.
Promotion money?
He could have solved this problem by being better than DDG.
i can understand if promises were made by Ole why he’d feel disappointed. But surely before making promises Ole should have realised DDG had been our best player for most of the post SAF years, he had one or two bad years but there was always a chance he’d regain his form and then there’d be no competition. Best thing would have been to tell Dean look it’s 50:50 if DDG continues like he did last season you’ll get your chance
I think he’s been viewed quite harshly on here, but if, and only if, what he’s saying is true. And I don’t see how we can know either way. If he was told about the offer of loans and stated that he would happily take one in order to play regular football, but was told he would be playing regularly here, and then simply never picked, I think he has a right to feel aggrieved. And he has the right to speak the truth too, regardless of who his bosses are. In all walks of life people have the right to expect the truth from their employers, and to be able to highlight it if they’ve been misled. But as I say, we can’t, and never will, know the truth of the conversation he had last year. But I think those posters who are automatically calling him a leaker, a bad apple, a negative character etc, are not being fair. The only way I’d think they were being fair is if they somehow had first hand knowledge of what he was promised.
Or the club could have solved it by saying you that you remain second choice and may only play a game or two over the season. It all depends on what they told him, don’t you think? If he has been genuinely misled by the club (and clearly I don’t know that, nor do you), he should be allowed to say that.
He's not a child. There are no absolute guarantees in football. He had chances to show what he's got, he was just as average as Dave. Just zip it and show us that you're as good as you think you are, eh?
That last 5 seconds of that video have ended his United career alone. I’m picking up bits of the interview & initially was thinking I could get his grievances but feck me what an idiotic thing to say.
What I dislike like the most is him daring to have an opinion and expressing himself in a non-robotic way. It shouldn't be allowed.
Loyalty is a two-way street, but it seems that too many of the critics don't care how the club treated Henderson. Frankly, if this is how Henderson was treated, I don't blame him for saying it.
Ole only managed Henderson for 6 matches last season. Before that, Henderson was still ill. After that, Ole had been sacked. Meanwhile, during those 6 matches, DDG was in decent shot stopping form albeit conceding a shit ton of goals.
But, overall, I can understand Henderson being upset at the lack of opportunities. Same as Sergio Romero before him.
So I don't have a problem with what he said on a personal level. Everything makes sense from his own perspective. I also agree with him that he at least deserved a chance when DDG's form fell off a cliff in the second half of the season. But Rangnick had his firm favourites, and not just in the GK position.
These comments do mean he's burned his bridges, though. I wouldn't want him back at the club. An anticlimactic end to his time here. Hopefully we can get a fee from somewhere after his loan.
But, overall, I can understand Henderson being upset at the lack of opportunities. Same as Sergio Romero before him.
So I don't have a problem with what he said on a personal level. Everything makes sense from his own perspective. I also agree with him that he at least deserved a chance when DDG's form fell off a cliff in the second half of the season. But Rangnick had his firm favourites, and not just in the GK position.
These comments do mean he's burned his bridges, though. I wouldn't want him back at the club. An anticlimactic end to his time here. Hopefully we can get a fee from somewhere after his loan.
Oh right, so every player should be given guaranteed minutes? Play well, play poor, guaranteed to play.
He didnt look better than DDG when he played, so I am not sure what "he was treated poorly" means.
Was he given a good wage ? Yes
Was he given the opportuinity ? yes
Was he toxic? yes
I suspect Henderson has already been told his time here is up. This 'loan' is definitely going to turn into a sale somewhere, which I'm sure we'd have done already if we'd found a willing buyer.
Nope, i think the club has an ethical (but definitely not a legal) duty of honesty.
But as I say, it all depends on what he was actually told
Hart, Pickford, Ramsdale, Henderson. What is it with English keepers and their big ego with average performances? So entitled.
Its quite interesting because every fan cries out for competition for places, if x player is doing well then he plays.
Season before 20/21 DDG was average, had a baby, Henderson came in and was okay, so benched DDG, which was also the case of him going into 21/22 as the no.1
Hwoever, he got covid and DDG took his chance. Lets not act as if he didn't know, DDG came back early that season for pre season, knowing his place is under threat and won it back by putting some amazing performances, the Wolves one ring a bell?
When a player then gets dropped, why are fans saying the club treated him badly. Are we saying we should not endorse competition for places?
In a way this is a positive, mind.
He wasn't really good enough to be a long-term United #1. There are probably three or four goalkeepers from within the non-elite PL clubs alone that I'd favour over him with all else being equal. But given we already own him, the temptation might have been to give him another chance just for the sake of saving money
With these sort of comments he'll help guarantee that we have have to replace De Gea properly with the best option we can find when the time comes but without really diminishing Henderson's market value either. As opposed to say a nightmare season which might have put us off but also cost us.
He wasn't really good enough to be a long-term United #1. There are probably three or four goalkeepers from within the non-elite PL clubs alone that I'd favour over him with all else being equal. But given we already own him, the temptation might have been to give him another chance just for the sake of saving money
With these sort of comments he'll help guarantee that we have have to replace De Gea properly with the best option we can find when the time comes but without really diminishing Henderson's market value either. As opposed to say a nightmare season which might have put us off but also cost us.
Unusual how little goodwill toward him there is compared to other homegrowns, usually guarantees a player years of clean slates and excuses
There has been a lot of dislike for him here ever since he came back from loan. Some people took it as a personal affront that he would try to take De Gea's place. It was always a bit odd.
Nah it's just when he has been given the chance he's just been average. He'll never be number 1 here and it's not because we have an 'agenda' against him, it's cos he's not as good as he thinks he is.
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Does feel like Ole just kept players around as a "just in case I need them" rather than having any sort of plan on what to do with them. We were collecting attacking players for fun in the last couple of seasons.
I understand that DH was not kept for the sake of it and was kept as a 2nd choice keeper but then we went and signed Heaton as well when we still had Grant. At the same time we kept players like Lingard, Bailly and the likes of Amad on when it was obvious that there was very little game time they'd get. I honestly doubt Ole himself believed that DH would ever be his first choice and it seemed more like a fallback option in case DDG continues with his poor form.
Still an idiot for coming out with these sort of statements when he's just gone on loan. Diplomacy hasn't really been a strong suit for most footballers though, has it?
I understand that DH was not kept for the sake of it and was kept as a 2nd choice keeper but then we went and signed Heaton as well when we still had Grant. At the same time we kept players like Lingard, Bailly and the likes of Amad on when it was obvious that there was very little game time they'd get. I honestly doubt Ole himself believed that DH would ever be his first choice and it seemed more like a fallback option in case DDG continues with his poor form.
Still an idiot for coming out with these sort of statements when he's just gone on loan. Diplomacy hasn't really been a strong suit for most footballers though, has it?
Ole probably had plans for them but it didn't take too long for him to be under pressure so he had to go with his best options almost every time. Like when he ran Rashford to the ground
I’m definitely not saying that- a club Utd’s size will usually have two players for every position (more for keepers tbh). I just think there is a moral duty of honesty here, and I’d be wary of criticising a player who said they were promised something and then the promise wasn’t honoured. But it’s very difficult to know, without knowing the exact language used, how much of a point Henderson has. It’s definitely arguable that whatever he was told he was naive if he just accepted it straight off the bat:
No one is guaranteed anything, but there's a reason he was nailed on to be no.1 at the start of last season.
Once he replaced DDG. Over all the team had it's best defensive record for years with him in goal, finally got under the average of conceding a goal a game, down from 1.5. Kept more clean sheets on average than at any point with DDG over the last 4 seasons. And went from having a win rate of 50% with DDG to almost 70% without him. He was also better than DDG on almost every metric individually.
He might be an arrogant so and so, but all the stats show he was better for the team overall than DDG has been for years. Yet, somehow he never showed anything that suggested he could be no.1 at Utd. I find it all very odd.
He's going to come out looking like an idiot if he doesn't deliver and there's a good chance of that happening
Be hilarious when he's conceded 20 goals in his first 6 games and is dropped.
With DH, it appeared like he was just playing him because of the criticism DDG was getting rather than DH being good. That experiment ended after the 2-4 loss at home to Liverpool, didn't it? I guess I do see your point about playing his best options when he's under pressure in the DH-DDG instance though.
Not to divert the thread in any way but he really didnt seem to rotate much anyway and it seemed painfully obvious that the likes of Amad, Lingard and Bailly would see no game time unless there was a crazy injury crisis.
Couldn't agree more with Simon Jordan. It's elite level sport, no one has a divine right to start. Just as he was about to get a run in the team he caught covid and De Gea seized the moment and ended up cementing his place in the team based on merit. Injuries and illnesses unfortunately happen and plans have to change, regardless of what may have been promised to Henderson. The onus was always on Henderson to displace De Gea and he couldn't do it. Let's not forget, De Gea was voted as player of the season so it's quite surprising that Henderson doesn't seem able to comprehend why he wasn't starting.
I wonder if other clubs will be put off by his conduct. Sure, he's talented, but to be bitching about the club he is contracted to in a TV interview is not a good look.
Again, he was not nailed on number 1, DDG was playing Europa league games, including the final. So clearly, he was not nailed on.
Yes, the keeper is the only reason we concede goals, if that is the case, lets see him keep that 1.5 goal a game at Nottingham Forest.
Like he made no mistakes? SU away, Liverpool home. There was 0 evidence that he was better than DDG by the margin you are presenting. Lets see Nottingham Forest win rate with him then.
Also, he was told he will be first choice, he got covid and lost his place, we can't blame him for getting covid but its justifiable to blame the club.
Secondly, DDG started the season in fine form, big big saves at Wolves, West Ham etc... which then led to Ole's job being under pressure, you think a manager who needs results cares what an arrogant keeper thinks when he is trying to save his job?
Finally, Rangnick came in and gave everyone a chance, he clearly didn't fancy Henderson and his attitude. Not 1, 3 managers including Carrick stuck with DDG.