Finally youre on board. Now let go of FdJ
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Cheers. Tier 2 still pretty damn good. Hopefully it gets backed up. Thankful our game is on Monday, we' need him knowing the plans before Real's game. It sounds like this could happen quickly once the fee is agreed.
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If there's any truth that he assured us he was interested all that time, then he's partly to blame. Would you not agree?Yeah, I'm trying to find the bit where De Jong led us on
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This feels incredibly short sighted - have we learnt nothing.
We almost certainly wont get top 4 this year (even with Casemiro) so why sign an aging star on huge wages when we could buy a genuine prospect elsewhere
We almost certainly wont get top 4 this year (even with Casemiro) so why sign an aging star on huge wages when we could buy a genuine prospect elsewhere
My interpretation: take them to the cleaner.
Thats a big IF. Whats the point in mugging him off if you're resting on such a huge assumption, considering the narrative since May in Barcelona was that he outright does not want to join us? We were mugs for pursuing in spite of this. He did nothing wrong.
Bet United make plans to make a plan
Think people are focusing on the wrong problem when they talk about his age.
The bigger problem is that we know what qualities ETH was looking for in that deepest midfield position this summer. He's been after FDJ all summer because his priority has been to improve what we do in possession and how we build play from the back.
Instead, we're now trying to get him an entirely different type of player, who has never been known for his strengths in possession or in building play from the back. Rather, he was the member of the Madrid midfield least capable on the ball. So he wouldn't solve the actual possession struggles ETH has been trying to fix, at all.
If ETH isn't working out in a few months this is the sort of signing people would point to and say "but the board backed him, look at the money they spent on the best DM in the world!", even though ETH spent all summer trying to get an entirely different profile of midfielder.
The bigger problem is that we know what qualities ETH was looking for in that deepest midfield position this summer. He's been after FDJ all summer because his priority has been to improve what we do in possession and how we build play from the back.
Instead, we're now trying to get him an entirely different type of player, who has never been known for his strengths in possession or in building play from the back. Rather, he was the member of the Madrid midfield least capable on the ball. So he wouldn't solve the actual possession struggles ETH has been trying to fix, at all.
If ETH isn't working out in a few months this is the sort of signing people would point to and say "but the board backed him, look at the money they spent on the best DM in the world!", even though ETH spent all summer trying to get an entirely different profile of midfielder.
We never answered the question - who the hell did we plan on partnering De Jong with? Fred or Mctominay?
We needed 2 midfielders all along.
I keep arguing we need two midfielders: we need a playmaker, but we also need a defensive-minded midfielder too. Ideally both need to be comfortable playing as single or double pivots to give us some flexibility in shaping the team.
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Yep. I struggle to understand buying him only to play him alongside one of Fred or McTominay, or even putting Eriksen in there. What's more likely to happen is that he'd rock up as a big signing and suddenly feel he had to be something different; that the fee demanded more of him.
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I'd rather Caicedo, another Varane looking for a pay day with no drive left after winning everything. What's the motivation to leave Madrid for United?
Excellent point, but I don't think Casemiro is going to be our only CM signing, and I don't think Ten Hag is going to be looking at him to be a FdJ player.
I think he's seen the Brentford and Brighton games and thought, regardless of FdJ, we need a strong physical presence.
The FdJ alternative may end up being another player - it may be SMS in a system altered such that he doesn't need to rely on dropping so deep to get the ball from the CB. In regards to being able to play out from the back, we will get better but not a finished article. However most importantly with Casemiro, we should be able to drastically improve our counter press.
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We are fecking idiots for panicking just because of losing the first 2 games. The last 1-2 weeks have been pathetic, throwing money at everyone on our shortlist I guess. Madrid should bite our hands off for 60m GBP...they would still have Kroos, Modric, Valverde, Camavinga and Tchouaméni for 3 positions.
Signing Casemiro would certainly be the nail in the coffin for any of FDJ. They both play in the same position.
What should we do? Continue with our current midfield options?
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spot on.Him and FDJ will be quite the midfield pairing we need.
Needs to be today if we want him in Manchester, complete a medical and train 1 or 2 days before Monday!
Get him in quick so he can ruin the kopties again
Yeah, great signing, even if he is not going to be the one dictating play from deep, he can be partnered with midfielders who are. Having him next to someone who lacks in the mobility / defensive aspects would ensure these deficiencies aren't exposed., someone like Neves for example.
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If this is an FDJ alternative then nicely played United. We aren’t totally myopic idiots and fixated on one guy.
Nothing more than a band aid fix and just another expensive addition with his best years behind him.
All of this is a real turn off at the moment so I think I will check out of the rumour mill and see what we end up with next month.
All of this is a real turn off at the moment so I think I will check out of the rumour mill and see what we end up with next month.
Same position different role. Its like saying Milan didnt need Pirlo because they had Gattuso...
Mm, why? Genuine question.
Yeah I wish we were signing a defensive midfielder who wasn't world class
He’ll play deep and what’s damning is he’s probably our best dictator of play as well compared to McFred.
No Choo Choo for me, been on too many trains this summer and now I lost my way.
We are basically getting a Ralf midfield in Casemiro, Fred and Bruno. Guess that will change if we bring a deep lying playmaker
Stating the obvious. We aren’t going to buy them both and play one out of position even though they are different types of players. We ain’t buying FDJ to play him ahead of Casemiro. So yeah point still stands.
Not exactly when Casemiro can work along with Kroos who less mobile than FdJ, but prefers stationing in area just in front of the backline. Modric drops back a lot too.
Just that with the fee involved, I doubt we have money for another big fee midfielder, now that we need to get an attacker prepping for Ronaldo departure.
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