If Pep leaves City without winning the CL, would he have been a success or failure?

[Fortitude]

What would it say about his legacy, also?

 

[CarbonStoolBites]

Obvious success. SAF was 3 minutes and one JT slip from never winning the CL.
There’s so much luck involved there (unless you are Real Madrid), Pep built a ridiculously dominant machine and won 4 PL titles in 6 seasons so far.
Sure there’s room for criticism on how he handled some of the CL matches including the final but a failure? come on now.

 

[JinnerJamie]

It’ll be a regret for him but not a failure, you can argue the money spent but his time has been littered with trophies.

 

[GatoLoco]

Both at the same time. Amazing success domestically, failure internationally.

 

[Volumiza]

It would be hard not to view his time at City as a success. They've largely been brilliant regardless of the failure to bring the CL to the club, luck / fortune plays a big part in cup trophies too.

 

[BarcaSpurs]

What a stupid thread

 

[Skills]

Success obviously.

The Champions League is hard to win, he's only behind Zidane and Carlo for the most titles.

 

[dal]

A complete success, the premier League is the hardest competition in the world and you cant win it by being lucky.

If he was the united manager and he did what he did and plays the way he does I’d be ecstatic we all do, there was an argument previously about city being soulless, the have a soul and they play beautiful football all created by Pep, they’re magnificent and Pep has been a huge success.

 

[Relevated]

Success, but it will be a bit stained as people will always talk about the unlimited money he had to help him.

 

[BorisManUtd]

Success, though not complete because of failing to win CL. But I think he'll win it eventually before leaving City.

 

[Red Star One]

If he gets the league again this year his domestic domination can be only matched by the best years of Sir Alex, so even if I always considered Pep a bit overrated and nowhere near an undisputed GOAT as some claim, his tenure was an obvious success.

Lack of CL is a very big stain and the fact he couldn’t have won it in a decade of managing arguably the biggest favorites to lift it year in year out means he’s not a top knockout competition manager, full stop. Even biggest Pep lovers will ask themselves if some of the ties he blundered wouldn’t be won by other manager.
Give Pelegrini same budget, time and players and he manages to get through the finish line at least once.

 

[Handré1990]

Success

 

[Castia]

Massive success

Won the league multiple times playing some of the best football the PL has ever seen.

 

[Eplel]

Even if he relegates them this year, he has to be considered a success. Don't forget they're only a small team.

 

[flameinthesun]

He would leave as their most successful manager ever, he would leave as one of the best managers the league has seen. So I think he'll be sleeping easy at night.

 

[Hughes35]

100% success. Not even a question

 

[Sweet Square]

If you've spent 6 odd years playing Football Manager everyday and didn't end up winning a European trophy then yeah it would considered a failure.

 

[Von Mistelroum]

Well considering his career has been overshadowed by accusations of being a cheque-book manager who can only manage at clubs where everything is in his favour, and that he arrived at City to a squad of big stars and an infinite funds cheat enabled, then I would say that anything less than ridiculous levels of dominance and success (including a bare minimum of a couple of CL wins) is a bit of a failure for someone who was talked about as one of the greats.

 

[Rooney in Paris]

Success obviously, and still one of the best managers and tacticians in modern football... but I'm sure that even his staunchest defenders would agree not winning a CL since the glorious Barça days, having managed big clubs and having access to almost unlimited funds since then, will play against him. And while it's at times been details, he's also been guilty of creating his own demise by overthinking some of the knock-out CL games his teams have been involved in.

 

[Cassidy]

Success clearly

 

[Luffy]

It would be the ultimate homage to City; he would be the man with the sky blue balls.

 

[GinobiliTheGOAT]

He broke the PL, still a massive success

 

[The_Midfielder]

What a thread!!
He wins the PL every year.. Wish we had failures like these again

 

[Dumbstar]

Obvious success. SAF was 3 minutes and one JT slip from never winning the CL.
There’s so much luck involved there (unless you are Real Madrid), Pep built a ridiculously dominant machine and won 4 PL titles in 6 seasons so far.
Sure there’s room for criticism on how he handled some of the CL matches including the final but a failure? come on now.

So Pep was a success in the CL while at City?

 

[cyberman]

I think so. It’s a black mark on Peo that he can’t seem to get it done without Messi despite constantly having the best team in the competition each year

 

[dove]

Success. It would of course be a black mark in his CV but their absolute domestic dominance cannot be ignored.

 

[SuperiorXI]

The CL is ridiculously hard to win and you need a lot of luck; the domestic league is a better measure of success and since Pep has won it more often than not he is a success.

 

[AndySmith1990]

Don't think you can label a manager as a failure after winning multiple league and Cup trophies. But that City team really should be wining one CL at least

 

[Kill3r7]

It’s a blemish on his resume but their domination of the league makes his spell at City a massive success.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

Success, but if he doesn't win the league again this season then simultaneously somewhat of a disappointment. If he does he'll be only the second manager after SAF to manage three in a row in the PL era, and a total of 5 out of 7 possible league titles during his time at City. Which is obviously impressive, especially considering the level of their dominance at times, but worth noting that SAF managed similar dominance twice, 1992-2001 (even more impressively than Pep: 7 out of 9 titles during this period) and 2006-2013 (5 out of 7). And SAF won the CL in both periods as well. And that's without the enormous economic advantage Pep has had, especially in his first couple of years when he was basically given carte blanche in the transfer market to improve what was already arguably the best squad in the league when he arrived.

If he doesn't win the league (or the CL) this season he'll be left with 4 out of 7 and no CL. Which is obviously not bad by any stretch either, but must be seen as a bit of a disappointment surely.

 

[lefty_jakobz]

Pep has been a huge success at City domestically. His record in the CL is abysmal though, 1 final when they have been favourites in each of his seasons hes been at City. I do expect Halaand to land them the CL this year though.

 

[Fortitude]

Devil’s advocate: Was Pep brought to City for anything else other than elevating them to CL winners? Same as any manager who goes to PSG.

 

[RacingClub]

Enormous success, the Champions League win would just be the cherry on top.

 

[RoyH1]

No to a failure, not an absolute succes like everyone paints it out to be, He's had the overwhelming riches of the Abu Dhabi United Investment Group at his disposal. Not to mention that his predecessors also won the Premiership, maybe in a less dominant fashion, but nonetheless won it. Guardiola was brought to Manchester for one thing and that was to deliver European glory. And on that he hasn't delivered.
The people who write that winning the Champions League is about luck probably have never played a competitive sport a day in their life. If you start bringing luck into it, you'll never win. It's about mentality, resilience and form. And Guadiola's teams have a weakness in that they're used to have the upper hand constantly. In the moment they lose it (the good ole Tyson maxim of getting punched in the face) they are fragile.

 

[Skills]

Devil’s advocate: Was Pep brought to City for anything else other than elevating them to CL winners? Same as any manager who goes to PSG.

If they were that obsessed with the Champions League they would've been after Ancelotti or even Mourinho (pre Chelsea 2nd time).

 

[Chief123]

Considering he would be the most successful Man City manager ever, it has to be a success.

 

[Fortitude]

If they were that obsessed with the Champions League they would've been after Ancelotti or even Mourinho (pre Chelsea 2nd time).

That’s now, not then. Regarding Ancelotti. Mourinho was already done by the time Pep went there.

Domestic dominance was supposed to be a given, wasn’t it?

 

[bond19821982]

Huge success. Dominating EPL is no easy task. We can bring the money argument to it but It doesn't change the fact that you still need a competent manager to make it work.

 

[Skills]

That’s now, not then. Regarding Ancelotti. Mourinho was already done by the time Pep went there.

Domestic dominance was supposed to be a given, wasn’t it?

What was so given about it? They weren't dominant pre pep.

I don't think some of you guys realise the impact he's had on their standing in the game. Any kid who was introduced to football in the last 6 years knows Man City as a household name, who play by far the best and most entertaining football in the Premier League.

In terms of sports washing the Abu Dhabi project, he's been massively influential not in terms of their dominance but the way they play as well.

 

[crossy1686]

It’s a success for them overall, look at where they were before he arrived. For him personally he probably won’t get a better opportunity or better funded project to win multiple CL’s, unless he ends up and PSG of course, which I’m more than sure he will.