Meh, her character in the show so far is flat. She had a thing for magic, philosophy, politics and was mentored by Maia Melian of the divine race.
I basically treat the internet as a whole as a seperate reality detached from normal, relevant existence. Its the only context it makes sense in.
On here I haven’t actually seen many people complaining about how things are ruining the ‘lore’ but actually discussing the show as a show. There are definitely certain things I’ve been disappointed by (some casting, dialogue, representation of certain characters) which go against my vision of how a Tolkien world should be but also some things I’ve been pleasantly surprised by (harfoots/stranger, Arondir, production).
I'm probably remembering comments from reddit or twitter or something and giving posters here grief for them. I guess they tend to just fade into one amorphous blob.
I couldnt work out if they were supposed to be a mixture of Irish and West Country, or all Irish. Very inconsistent there.
What does cannon mean? I consider cannon only what Tolkien wrote, meaning not even the movies would be cannon. I'm pretty sure the Tolkien estate thinks similarly. The issue with games is they miss the spirit of LOTR and usually add a whole bunch of stuff that doesn't make sense.
Yeh fair point on that definition. I guess I meant in the same way as the show is trying to be as true to the lore as possible, are the games the same? I’m assuming they probably aren’t as they likely introduce characters that aren’t referenced in the books anyway. I thought the stories in those games were okay but pretty uninspiring.
No, in short. They used characters from the stories but it's as far as it goes. For example, Sauron never took physical form again after Isildur gave him the chop, whilst the game is set about 60 years before LOTR. Even the protagonist Talion is not part of any book.
And the rise of the Witch-king, I hope.
Yep best depiction of an orc by miles. Galadriel kind of killed that snow troll too easily though but I guess they wanted to highlight her strength.
Reddit is awful, lots of experts all trying to out expert each other and complaining about everything.
I don't know you from Adam but this bit made me
Re the elves. Depicting lotr elves as girly boys is hardly new is it? Legolas isn't exactly the poster boy for red blooded, chest thumping, beer chugging masculinity (I assume these are traits linked to masculinity by the unlettered masses). They're wise, pensive and speak in poems. I'm also not sure how Galadriel isn't feminine. Though I admit that there have been no cooking and cleaning scenes thus far.
Sauron is referenced as having a physical form after isildur gave him the chop. It was a movie decision to make him a great eye. Gollum said there was only 4 fingers on the dark lords black hand.
Hated that scene a) how she kept stabbing from behind just for a 'cool' shot and also just how easy it was regardless. Did you seen Aragorn take down a troll that easily?!
Re the elves; It's a reference to the scene where Galadriel takes down the troll single-handedly with a few waves of her sword, while her political props pretending to be soldiers run and hide like cowards. It took the combined efforts of the entire fellowship working together to take down a troll in the original LOTR. I don't know how that scene played out in the books as I haven't read them, but I felt the whole scene was designed to empower her at the expense of the men around her. She also has this unrelatable, sour demeanour about her throughout the show. Or maybe I'm just getting old (I'm 36 now) and out of touch with reality. Meh.
It's mostly tongue in cheek but with a hint of truth thrown inI don't know you from Adam but this bit made me
It may sound silly to you but Tolkien was obsessed with the integrity and depth of his world building. To many it is what makes his writing so remarkable. Which is why the current show works fine as a dungeons and dragons romp that pays a lot of money to use his characters' names. But it obviously is not Tolkien's world except at the most superficial level. For example, he wrote extensively about Galadriel's family and motivation, which has been ignored in favour of a completely different character.
I am even olderRe the elves; It's a reference to the scene where Galadriel takes down the troll single-handedly with a few waves of her sword, while her political props pretending to be soldiers run and hide like cowards. It took the combined efforts of the entire fellowship working together to take down a troll in the original LOTR. I don't know how that scene played out in the books as I haven't read them, but I felt the whole scene was designed to empower her at the expense of the men around her. She also has this unrelatable, sour demeanour about her throughout the show. Or maybe I'm just getting old (I'm 36 now) and out of touch with reality. Meh.
It's mostly tongue in cheek but with a hint of truth thrown in
I stand corrected. I originally Misread it as "original form" rather than "physical form".
Elves are generally described as 'fair' which seems to mean to Tolkien both very pale skinned and beautiful (like his wife who he constantly compared to Luthien, his Elf alpha female). He doesn't say much about their masculinity, which he seems to reserve for the dirtier folk.
They almost put him in it. You can watch Aragorn fight Sauron - PJ replaced Sauron with a troll in the released film but it’s on YouTube as a deleted scene. I’m happy they didn’t go with it though.
But the trope of women with stereotypically male character traits has been a staple of fiction for literally thousands of years. Something like the Ballad of Mulan dates back to pre 500 CE, for example. And more to the point, it's also true of actual women in real life. The notion that the idea of women having stereotypically male character traits should seem weird to us or could only be a consequence of political agenda is itself very weird.
There's no doubt that Tolkien's Galadriel could best a troll in her sleep. It's questionable that she would do it with a sword. But what makes it laughable is that she shouldn't be there at all - she should be off with her husband being a Queen, not serving King Gil-Galad or girl bossing a bunch of soldiers. This is the timeline of Tolkien's Galadriel...
Sauron took the form of a great eye in the spiritual realm, so really he was both in the book, which is how Jackson portrayed him in the Hobbit movies.
You write like someone who thinks they're good at writing.
Either cite an obscure Tolkien quote backing that point or get outta here.
I'm working on a LOTR/Harry potter crossover for Apple TV at the moment.
Sure. But then as someone said earlier, this show clearly isn't for the purists and fighter-Galadriel makes for a less passive character. There's not much point making comparisons really.
Being a Tolkien nerd is all about obsessing about the minor details of a fictional narrative that has actually turned into an ill concealed money making machine, because it gives you the illusion of tribe, community and identity when you participate. Not a mindset that a Manchester United fan could ever relate to ...
Well this character clearly isn't Tolkien's Galadriel so she can do whatever the writers wants. But if they had never heard of Lord of the Rings, would anyone be giving this show the time of day? I doubt it.
PC gone mad.
