neverdie
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it started out as an attempt to be like eboue but it's just become laziness now.Always wanted to ask what’s up with your punctuation?
it started out as an attempt to be like eboue but it's just become laziness now.Always wanted to ask what’s up with your punctuation?
And what's the benefit for NATO in all of this?the argument wasn't that ukraine couldn't make breakthroughs. it was that it couldn't win, partially, which i still think is true but depends on how you define win. does it mean ultimate defeat of russia? because that is beyond ukraine and nato. does it mean taking the lost territory back? these questions were asked by very senior figures in foreign affairs from the outset. they weren't criticisms made by anti-ukranians. they were questions asked by people who wanted clarification over the kind of war their countries were dragging them into. the criticism was always the lack of clarity regarding the goal and ad hoc policy making. saying one thing which implied one level of support one day and another which hinted at something far larger and more escalatory the next.
i do think they're fighting russia to the last ukrainian but that doesn't mean that ukraine can't benefit from it. were the americans not fighting the soviets to the last afghani? did the afghanis care? so of course they're using ukraine. it's not a single-use kind of operation. the ukrainians aren't idiots. they know they have use-value to the west and they know their position. nato wants to fight russia via proxy. ukraine wants to fight russia directly. match made in heaven, no? it's not a contradiction, basically. my only criticism would depend upon what the west does over the next couple of years. not what it's doing now. what happens when the russians push back. and then ukraine pushes back. and on and on. all yet to come.
unfortunately i think this will be a massively drawn out war and last for years with the positions being unpredictable but possibly as they were before february.
the other thing is that if you think people making criticisms of the war are on russia's side, then you have, probably, been misled. some will be, for whatever reason which they themselves will scarcely comprehend, but most are not. most i've seen had almost no negative opinions of ukraine and almost no positive opinions on russia, but a highly critical view of nato. which i think is historically justified.
But this is not what @neverdie told us. Anyone who believes Nafo was ever a fator in their invasion is simply a fallen a victim to Russian propaganda. The only reason Nafo was ever a problem for Putin is that it prevents him for conducting the genocide in other countries and accomplishing his imperialist aspirations.
Who could predict that some shiba inu twitter shitposters would be used as a pretext for large scale war in the 21st century, huh? What a timeline!But this is not what @neverdie told us. Anyone who believes Nafo was ever a factor in their invasion is simply a fallen a victim to Russian propaganda. The only reason Nafo was ever a problem for Putin is that it prevents him for conducting the genocide in other countries and accomplishing his imperialist aspirations.
And Roger Waters.But this is not what @neverdie told us. Anyone who believes Nafo was ever a fator in their invasion is simply a fallen a victim to Russian propaganda. The only reason Nafo was ever a problem for Putin is that it prevents him for conducting the genocide in other countries and accomplishing his imperialist aspirations.
Kyselivka is only 26 km from Kherson!
Won't be long before Ukrainian troops are on Ushakova (the main drag in Kherson0
I still don’t get why west is so slow with air defense supplies in right quantities?Meanwhile Russia is more focused on making life as miserable for civilians as they possibly can.
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While your question is valid I don't get the connection to the tweet? Air defense doesn't protect against artillery shelling.I still don’t get why west is so slow with air defense supplies in right quantities?
These are cruise missiles though? In this case it was x-22, previously, it also used missiles to attack power grids?While your question is valid I don't get the connection to the tweet? Air defense doesn't protect against artillery shelling.
Oh, then I misunderstood what happened.These are cruise missiles though? In this case it was x-22, previously, it also used missiles to attack power grids?
NATO tried very hard to basically bribe Russia into joining the international order. That's what NATO wanted, was for Russia to join NATO, not fight it.i'd guess china would be happy enough to do that. i think that's probably the arrangement, yeah. from ukraine's pov, nato has guns and money and it wants both of those to fight a war against russia after being invaded. from nato's point of view, it'll be happy that russia is bogged down in war with ukraine. i don't think its a contradiction. the afghanis and arab militias knew that the americans were using them in a proxy war against the soviets but they were still happy to take the stinger missile launchers and anything else going. mutual enemies and all that. but everyone will know how and why they're working together and what and whose interests are in play.
It's so absurd to believe that what is currently happening is in any way a desirable scenario for NATO, especially the EU (and Germany in particular). I'm completely sure every NATO member would have loved to avoid all of this.NATO tried very hard to basically bribe Russia into joining the international order. That's what NATO wanted, was for Russia to join NATO, not fight it.
If NATO wanted to fight, why don't any of them have an army besides the US?
Especially strange since Russia is running out of equipment as well. Even if they have personnel, their resources and production capacities are bound in Ukraine.Tweet
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There is no logical explanation for this except that he says these things to support the chancellor who for some reason doesn't want to support Ukraine the way Germany should and could.Especially strange since Russia is running out of equipment as well. Even if they have personnel, their resources and production capacities are bound in Ukraine.
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That was an excellent thread explaining part of the rot in the Russian army. He also did one on corruption.Tweet
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Almost, some of the land east of the Oskil river is still under Russian control.Have UA liberated whole of Kharkiv oblast?
It isn't even hard to believe when you consider there is historical precedent for this. If I'm remembering right, Japan hid their carrier losses at the Battle of Midway from not only the general public, but also a significant part of their own high-command. There were also US carriers that they claimed as sunk multiple times, only for them to re-appear again and again in subsequent engagements.Tweet
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I think the fear is the nuclear escalation where everybody loses. Obviously, in a conventional conflict, the US by itself could easily overthrow the Russian regime and US tanks could reach Moscow within a few months.I said it at the beginning of this war and I will say it again:
The West shouldn't be afraid of escalation. It should be the Russians who are scared of escalation!
Why? Because the West is ten times stronger than the Russians. Unfortunately our leadership is very weak.
Leaving the door open for gas supplies to eventually resume because in fact there really isn't a viable alternative that doesn't mean higher prices being the norm with potential devastating effects on German industry?There is no logical explanation for this except that he says these things to support the chancellor who for some reason doesn't want to support Ukraine the way Germany should and could.
No, the West did not play it perfectly. On the contrary. There are thousands and thousands of dead Ukrainians and their country has been destroyed for no good reason.I think the fear is the nuclear escalation where everybody loses. Obviously, in a conventional conflict, the US by itself could easily overthrow the Russian regime and US tanks could reach Moscow within a few months.
But, if there is a nuclear escalation, then one being 10x stronger doesn’t make a difference.
Of course, this is not to say that the US (and rest of NATO) should not do anything. They have played this perfectly so far, and as long as the help to Ukraine continues, Russia is fecked.